EU referendum...THE RESULT...and aftermath...

As if he's going to bother with serving the interests of his constituents for a mere 75k a year when there are directorships, consultancy roles and all the other ways in which he can seriously enrich himself.

If he genuinely wants to live out the rest of his days in relative peace and tranquility with his family he's already wealthy enough to do so, however, greed is a funny thing. Witness that awful man Blair who has the blood of more troops and civilians on his hands than any prime minister since the last world war yet trawls the planet preaching peace and virtue while trousering massive wedge.

Les Miserable wrote:

If he genuinely wants to live out the rest of his days in relative peace and tranquility with his family he's already wealthy enough to do so, however, greed is a funny thing. Witness that awful man Blair who has the blood of more troops and civilians on his hands than any prime minister since the last world war yet trawls the planet preaching peace and virtue while trousering massive wedge.

Tony Blair, the man who waltzed into Downing Street full of new promise and hope (and it was going well for awhile), only to end up as the PM with blood on his hands (as you rightly state).

What happened to his role as Middle-East spokesman of sometime ago?

He and George W should be tried for war crimes regarding Iraq and the dodgy WMD document.

The Labour Party today are in a right old mess and one can't see them in power for many-many years to come, not unless they get rid of Jezza and that is not certain as he has a good deal of support among the left leaning side of life.

The other candidate, Owen Smith, says he will try and get the UK to rejoin the EU should he be leader and Labour win an election. I read earlier today that six out of nine employers are cautious on adding jobs due to the uncertainties of Brexit, something Smithy will know doubt bang on about for the foreseeable future.

The Tories must be rubbing their hands in glee watching the Labour Party tear its self apart. They know the next the election is theirs to win, barring a calamity of epic proportions.

Goes from bad to worse for David Cameron. He has been accused of creating or fuelling IS in Libya following the disastrous campaign in that country of a few years ago.

VillageGreen wrote:

Goes from bad to worse for David Cameron. He has been accused of creating or fuelling IS in Libya following the disastrous campaign in that country of a few years ago.

He was desperate to emulate his hero Blair in going for regime change. Fuccked it up like Blair too. Better the tyrannical despot you know...

Tusks says UK could activate article 50 in early 2017

While former Eastern European bloc countries to veto UK motions.

Boris latest minister to be told to wind his neck in.

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One of Germany’s most prominent businessmen has said Brexit will be more painful for the rest of Europe than for Britain, and a UK outside of the EU might prove “highly attractive” to foreign investors — in a sharp break with the German consensus on Britain’s post-EU future.

Mathias Döpfner, chief executive of Axel Springer, one of Europe’s largest media companies, said Britain was bound to experience short-term uncertainty as a consequence of its June 23 vote to quit the EU, “but in three to five years from now, my bet would be that Britain will be better off than continental Europe”.

Mr Döpfner said he saw Britain moving towards a “more free market-oriented model, while Europe is step by step transforming into a transfer union” — with funds being channelled from successful states to the struggling ones. “And that can put a lot of investors off.”

“If Britain can create an alternative here, I think that is highly attractive,” he said, in an interview at Axel Springer’s headquarters in Berlin.

In the short term, Mr Döpfner said the UK would be buffeted by currency fluctuations and turbulence in its property market. But in the long term it would be better off outside the EU.

He said it would, for example, be able to implement a “very healthy”, “talent-oriented” immigration policy. “You basically integrate and invite the people that you benefit from and not people who only benefit from your social welfare system,” he said.

Meanwhile, the EU would suffer because it would lose Britain’s “healthy influence”, in particular its “pragmatism” and “free-market orientation”, which had led to “sensible compromises” in negotiations between member states. “If it is all defined, let’s say, by France, Spain and Italy making compromises with Germany — I’m a little worried by that prospect,” he said.

Frank will be along very shortly to decry the fella as a nutjob...

I fail to see the point of UKIP now. Surely it's aim has been achieved.

The Tories seem to have grabbed the centre ground and with it all the floating voters.

Which leaves all the remaining parties in the wilderness. This is not a good moment in British politics.

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

I fail to see the point of UKIP now. Surely it's aim has been achieved.

The Tories seem to have grabbed the centre ground and with it all the floating voters.

Which leaves all the remaining parties in the wilderness. This is not a good moment in British politics.

Its a personality cult little more than that, always has been. People think that Farage is one of them with his man who who enjoys a fag and a pint shtick. I wouldn't say that the Tories have grabbed the centre ground as much as they have taken the centre floaters and dragged them to the right, certainly Theresa Mays nice words about the Government helping the ordinary guy has helped her approval rating rocket and compared to Jeremy Corbyn she looks like JFK himself. However the actually policy detail in how they intend to achieve that was minimal in her speech.

With Labour becoming a parody of itself (Diane Abbot shadow home secretary FFS!!) and the Liberals taking the brunt of the blame for the Conservatives unfair austerity policies and being hammered into insignificance, there is no worthwhile oppostion.

The only hope is that Labour finally grows up and someone will turn the Labour party into a potential party of government not this irrelevance it has become.

Hugh Watt wrote:

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

I fail to see the point of UKIP now. Surely it's aim has been achieved.

The Tories seem to have grabbed the centre ground and with it all the floating voters.

Which leaves all the remaining parties in the wilderness. This is not a good moment in British politics.

Its a personality cult little more than that, always has been. People think that Farage is one of them with his man who who enjoys a fag and a pint shtick. I wouldn't say that the Tories have grabbed the centre ground as much as they have taken the centre floaters and dragged them to the right, certainly Theresa Mays nice words about the Government helping the ordinary guy has helped her approval rating rocket and compared to Jeremy Corbyn she looks like JFK himself. However the actually policy detail in how they intend to achieve that was minimal in her speech.

With Labour becoming a parody of itself (Diane Abbot shadow home secretary FFS!!) and the Liberals taking the brunt of the blame for the Conservatives unfair austerity policies and being hammered into insignificance, there is no worthwhile oppostion.

The only hope is that Labour finally grows up and someone will turn the Labour party into a potential party of government not this irrelevance it has become.

UKIP will be the constant thorn in the Tories side and making sure Brexit is achieved.

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Made me smile. You do love a boat analogy don't you.

Note to myself...

Don't believe the crap written in the trashy papers.

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It makes me laugh when you see reports that the UK economy has grown after Brexit vote.

The UK has not left the EU yet and the fun and games will start straight after that.

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VillageGreen wrote:

It makes me laugh when you see reports that the UK economy has grown after Brexit.

The headline states quite clearly that the economy grew after the Brexit VOTE, ie June 23rd.

Simple, but obviously not simple enough for you.

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

It makes me laugh when you see reports that the UK economy has grown after Brexit.

The headline states quite clearly that the economy grew after the Brexit VOTE, ie June 23rd.

Simple, but obviously not simple enough for you.

When article 50 is triggered the economy could spiral downwards, which would wipe out any post Brexit vote gains. That was the main point I was trying to make.

The figure of growth was short of what was originally predicted, but growth it was.

Until article 50 is triggered, we should celebrate any kind of economic growth, as the future may be choppy. That is the bit that makes me laugh, because we have an assumption of what could lay ahead for the UK.

As I read the other day, some top banks are looking at leaving the UK once it finally leaves the EU and that would be a blow to London and wider a field.


I shall reword my first post to include "vote".

The thing that should concern a great number of brexiters, bearing in mind it was taking back control of our borders that was so vital about the leaving the EU is the dismantling of the Calais refugee camp.

We had a bilateral border agreement with the French whereupon anyone attempting to gain access to our country, what with it being  being an island and all had to deal with our border in France or swim.

The French being rightly pissy with our attitude towards Europe after having being handed us the best possible terms to keep us, are going to tear this agreement up. so now refugees are going to processed in other place inluding Torrington rather than a central pinch point.

So much for taking back control of our borders

The High Court has ruled that Article 50 cannot be activated by Government without it being approved first by Parliament.

The chances of A50 happening recede slightly further into the distance.

I heard a clip on the news that millions in UK are concerned about their jobs during/after brexit. Are these the same millions who voted to leave? Surely if the French have ripped up an agreement that doesn't mean we have to rip it up as well?

Slightly fewer than 17m people voted Remain. Are they wrong to express worry about their jobs post-Brexit?

Or should they just button it, suck it up and accept the consequences because slightly more than 17m people voted Leave?

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Or should they just button it, suck it up and accept the consequences

Isn't that what you are advocating elsewhere regarding the AFT leadership debate?

Les Miserable wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Or should they just button it, suck it up and accept the consequences

Isn't that what you are advocating elsewhere regarding the AFT leadership debate?

Not at all.

I'm advocating engagement with the democratic process by encouraging those who feel strongly that the AFT needs to be improved to stand for election so that, if they are successful, they can implement the changes they feel so strongly about.

What's the problem with that?