EU referendum...THE RESULT...and aftermath...

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Cameron only asked the question because he couldn't unite his party and with breath-taking arrogance, incompetence and complacency was so sure Leave would lose that he didn't even begin to get ready for the result and did not campaign properly.

As for being well informed I have lost track of the lies peddled but off the top of my head:

• £350m/week for the NHS
  
  
• We'll have the deals done in no time
  
  
• They need us more than we need them
  
  
• Turkey is about to join the EU
  
  
• The only way we can control immigration is to leave
  
  
• We don't need immigration at all anyway
  
  
• We won't have to pay a penny
  
  
• We'll walk into a series of worldwide trade deals which will be in place before we leave
  
  
• The rest of the world will come tumbling in to do business with us
  

Well-informed? No. Repeatedly misinformed? Yes. Every single step of the way.

And now we discover that not only was Leave: UK breaking the campaigning rules but so too was BeLeave and Leave. All of them, in fact.

Who was in charge of Leave? Well here's some of the senior establishment figures who sat on the campaign committee of Vote Leave, which has just been fined by the Electoral Commission:

• Liam Fox
  
• Iain Duncan Smith
  
• Dominic Raab
  
• Michael Gove
  
• Boris Johnson
  
• Steve Baker
  
• Chris Grayling 
  
• Priti Patel
  
• Lord Lawson
  

Built on fraud and paid for by fraud and proposed by frauds. If you listened to them and believed them and voted for them then you were had.

There is no good Brexit. There's absolutely calamitous Brexit and shades of slightly less bad but every possible scenario for us leaving is awful. There is no "Brexit Dividend" to be had.

Everywhere you look it is Mayhem.

Complete and utter bullshit for one good reason, I wasn't swayed by either side of the campaign I was a committed leaver for years and years before then as many people were. Your arrogance in assuming that if you were informed then ergo there would be no Brexit because we would all vote the way you did. Typical response from someone as blinkered as yourself. I have constantly referenced the really bad campaign BY BOTH SIDES of the debate yet you seem to think that American banks funding your side is obviously perfectly acceptable when it clearly isn't.
The mayhem is in your mind and the Tory party us normal folk get on with our lives and jobs making sure that you and yours have a roof over your head and three meals a day just as we will after Brexit. And anyway werent we all meant to suffer immediately after Brexit? You need to man up and stop whining. And there is a dividend of about 20bn a year unless you lot manage to fudge a deal where we are out of the EU but still pay to belong.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

And? A committee of government officials who gave us project fear. They were wrong, the government is wrong about lots of things. In my opinion they are looking at worst case scenario and failing to take into account the possible pros.
And the whole thing you miss is that British business is resilient we have to be. Persoanlly Ive suffered massively in the 1991 crash and millions more in the crash of 2008 both of which orchestrated by your mates at the big banks. Do we bitch and whine? No we don't have time to, no government stamped paycheck or pension has ever hit my mat. You get up dust ourself down and carry on. People need cars, transport, raw materials, buildings and food yet we are led to believe that despite 80 million people need and want these things and will be prepared to pay hard cash for them that nobody in the world post Brexit will be able to or want to deliver it? You are totally deluded.

Really hacked off with our so called leaders, it’s pretty obvious to me the Eurocrats want to punish us for leaving and continue to rip us off, just wish we had politicians with the balls to tell that Barnier fella and his bloated mates to sod off, we’re leaving, no compensation, bye bye and get stuffed.
They don’t want us, they hate us and just want our cash to finance the freeloading non elected jumped up tosspots.
We’re part of the Commonwealth group of countries, we currently trade with the rest of the world in various forms and all this crap about not being able to competitively trade with the rest of the EU is just that - crap

Agree.

Earwegoagain wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Cameron only asked the question because he couldn't unite his party and with breath-taking arrogance, incompetence and complacency was so sure Leave would lose that he didn't even begin to get ready for the result and did not campaign properly.

As for being well informed I have lost track of the lies peddled but off the top of my head:

• £350m/week for the NHS
  
  
• We'll have the deals done in no time
  
  
• They need us more than we need them
  
  
• Turkey is about to join the EU
  
  
• The only way we can control immigration is to leave
  
  
• We don't need immigration at all anyway
  
  
• We won't have to pay a penny
  
  
• We'll walk into a series of worldwide trade deals which will be in place before we leave
  
  
• The rest of the world will come tumbling in to do business with us
  

Well-informed? No. Repeatedly misinformed? Yes. Every single step of the way.

And now we discover that not only was Leave: UK breaking the campaigning rules but so too was BeLeave and Leave. All of them, in fact.

Who was in charge of Leave? Well here's some of the senior establishment figures who sat on the campaign committee of Vote Leave, which has just been fined by the Electoral Commission:

• Liam Fox
  
• Iain Duncan Smith
  
• Dominic Raab
  
• Michael Gove
  
• Boris Johnson
  
• Steve Baker
  
• Chris Grayling 
  
• Priti Patel
  
• Lord Lawson
  

Built on fraud and paid for by fraud and proposed by frauds. If you listened to them and believed them and voted for them then you were had.

There is no good Brexit. There's absolutely calamitous Brexit and shades of slightly less bad but every possible scenario for us leaving is awful. There is no "Brexit Dividend" to be had.

Everywhere you look it is Mayhem.

Complete and utter bullshit for one good reason, I wasn't swayed by either side of the campaign I was a committed leaver for years and years before then as many people were. Your arrogance in assuming that if you were informed then ergo there would be no Brexit because we would all vote the way you did. Typical response from someone as blinkered as yourself. I have constantly referenced the really bad campaign BY BOTH SIDES of the debate yet you seem to think that American banks funding your side is obviously perfectly acceptable when it clearly isn't.
The mayhem is in your mind and the Tory party us normal folk get on with our lives and jobs making sure that you and yours have a roof over your head and three meals a day just as we will after Brexit. And anyway werent we all meant to suffer immediately after Brexit? You need to man up and stop whining. And there is a dividend of about 20bn a year unless you lot manage to fudge a deal where we are out of the EU but still pay to belong.

You will never be swayed. For you it is an article of faith. It's like trying to reason with a flat-earther: the earth is flat; that's all there is to it. Or a creationist: "the bible says the earth is 6000 years and that is all there is to it". Facts and common sense are an irrelevance.

Many others were influenced, though. Peolpe with weak mnds who are easily led by an onslaught wraught by our press much of which is owned by a foreign elite, and/or which banks off-shore, and has its own agenda.

The Leave campaign perpetrated all of those lies repeatedly echoed by relentless braying on the front pages of the gutter press so whether they affected you or not their boffins and focus groups told them that the message was hitting home among the undecided - and it was them that mattered most.

So they literallly lied, lied, lied and lied again. Knowing that they were lying. They painted one of the lies, the one that really hit home, on the side and paid for it with a fraudulently funded campaign.

They cheated. Simple as.

They showed utter contempt for balance, factual information and critical evaluation. Simple as.

They cheated every last person in this country, whether they were successful in altering opinion or not, by showing scant regard for all that underpins democracy. Simple as.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I was just thinking to myself, Franny is building himself up into a crescendo. Only a matter of time before a chart etc. was rolled out. And there it is!

To be honest, it is nothing short of a miracle the country is still functioning at all, so terrifying were the Armageddon scenarios being peddled by Franny as a consequence of a possible ‘leave’ vote winning.

This scenario is not mine.

The figures were calculated by David Davis's department when he was in control of it.

They are the facts according to a department led by arguably the most fervent Brexiter of all and manned by people he appointed.

Not my facts. Not my predictions. These are the scenarios as painted by DExEU.

If they are wrong it is because David Davis is incompetent. So they could well be.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Cameron only asked the question because he couldn't unite his party and with breath-taking arrogance, incompetence and complacency was so sure Leave would lose that he didn't even begin to get ready for the result and did not campaign properly.

As for being well informed I have lost track of the lies peddled but off the top of my head:

• £350m/week for the NHS
  
  
• We'll have the deals done in no time
  
  
• They need us more than we need them
  
  
• Turkey is about to join the EU
  
  
• The only way we can control immigration is to leave
  
  
• We don't need immigration at all anyway
  
  
• We won't have to pay a penny
  
  
• We'll walk into a series of worldwide trade deals which will be in place before we leave
  
  
• The rest of the world will come tumbling in to do business with us
  

Well-informed? No. Repeatedly misinformed? Yes. Every single step of the way.

And now we discover that not only was Leave: UK breaking the campaigning rules but so too was BeLeave and Leave. All of them, in fact.

Who was in charge of Leave? Well here's some of the senior establishment figures who sat on the campaign committee of Vote Leave, which has just been fined by the Electoral Commission:

• Liam Fox
  
• Iain Duncan Smith
  
• Dominic Raab
  
• Michael Gove
  
• Boris Johnson
  
• Steve Baker
  
• Chris Grayling 
  
• Priti Patel
  
• Lord Lawson
  

Built on fraud and paid for by fraud and proposed by frauds. If you listened to them and believed them and voted for them then you were had.

There is no good Brexit. There's absolutely calamitous Brexit and shades of slightly less bad but every possible scenario for us leaving is awful. There is no "Brexit Dividend" to be had.

Everywhere you look it is Mayhem.

Complete and utter bullshit for one good reason, I wasn't swayed by either side of the campaign I was a committed leaver for years and years before then as many people were. Your arrogance in assuming that if you were informed then ergo there would be no Brexit because we would all vote the way you did. Typical response from someone as blinkered as yourself. I have constantly referenced the really bad campaign BY BOTH SIDES of the debate yet you seem to think that American banks funding your side is obviously perfectly acceptable when it clearly isn't.
The mayhem is in your mind and the Tory party us normal folk get on with our lives and jobs making sure that you and yours have a roof over your head and three meals a day just as we will after Brexit. And anyway werent we all meant to suffer immediately after Brexit? You need to man up and stop whining. And there is a dividend of about 20bn a year unless you lot manage to fudge a deal where we are out of the EU but still pay to belong.

You will never be swayed. For you it is an article of faith. It's like trying to reason with a flat-earther: the earth is flat; that's all there is to it. Or a creationist: "the bible says the earth is 6000 years and that is all there is to it". Facts and common sense are an irrelevance.

Many others were influenced, though. Peolpe with weak mnds who are easily led by an onslaught wraught by our press much of which is owned by a foreign elite, and/or which banks off-shore, and has its own agenda.

The Leave campaign perpetrated all of those lies repeatedly echoed by relentless braying on the front pages of the gutter press so whether they affected you or not their boffins and focus groups told them that the message was hitting home among the undecided - and it was them that mattered most.

So they literallly lied, lied, lied and lied again. Knowing that they were lying. They painted one of the lies, the one that really hit home, on the side and paid for it with a fraudulently funded campaign.

They cheated. Simple as.

They showed utter contempt for balance, factual information and critical evaluation. Simple as.

They cheated every last person in this country, whether they were successful in altering opinion or not, by showing scant regard for all that underpins democracy. Simple as.

What a load of crap, your as bad as those so called remain politicians who look on us as peasants who know nothing, we’ll let me tell you I made my own mind up, I didn’t need Boris, Farage or any of the other Brexiteers to influence me, I’ve just got fed up with basically being dictated to by unelected jumped up tosses who can see their gravy train is at risk

Elias wrote:

If you don't like the answer, maybe you shouldn't a the question?

Which is exactly why I hope we never have one on hanging...

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Sums it up from that fat greasy Tory, if the serfs don’t vote our way, let’s get them to vote again and again until we get the result we want, we’ll I never wanted a Tory government but I’ve got one and have to put up with it.

Like Paul Dacre, Rupert Murdoch, the Barclay Brothers, Richard Desmond, Viscount Rothermere?

Who ever elected elected any of them to anything? Yet you want what they want.

Well done for not being influenced by the fraudulently funded lies, by the way. What actual facts influenced you?

This online petiition of the breaking of the electoral rules is flying up its going viral. That will be well above 100,000 by 8am tomorrow

Started post it was at 27,600 its onw at 28.200 few minutes later

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Like Paul Dacre, Rupert Murdoch, the Barclay Brothers, Richard Desmond, Viscount Rothermere?

Who ever elected elected any of them to anything? Yet you want what they want.

Well done for not being influenced by the fraudulently funded lies, by the way. What actual facts influenced you?

My views have been formed over many years of realising our ability to govern ourselves and make our rules and laws being eroded, similar to an employees t&c’s being dramatically changed without any consultation.
We were misled and lied to by Edward Heath, stitched up by John Major and fecked up by Cameron.
Blair and the other labour tosser don’t fair any better, in fact, much as it pains me to say it, but the only person who did stand up to the EU fat cats was Thatcher, who despite her being a Tory whose policies I despised, she was a leader.

harvetheslayer wrote:

This online petiition of the breaking of the electoral rules is flying up its going viral. That will be well above 100,000 by 8am tomorrow

Started post it was at 27,600 its onw at 28.200 few minutes later

But it was ok for the Government to spend 9 million on leaflets and flyers trying to scare us all shitless.

Graiser wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Like Paul Dacre, Rupert Murdoch, the Barclay Brothers, Richard Desmond, Viscount Rothermere?

Who ever elected elected any of them to anything? Yet you want what they want.

Well done for not being influenced by the fraudulently funded lies, by the way. What actual facts influenced you?

My views have been formed over many years of realising our ability to govern ourselves and make our rules and laws being eroded, similar to an employees t&c’s being dramatically changed without any consultation.
We were misled and lied to by Edward Heath, stitched up by John Major and fecked up by Cameron.
Blair and the other labour tosser don’t fair any better, in fact, much as it pains me to say it, but the only person who did stand up to the EU fat cats was Thatcher, who despite her being a Tory whose policies I despised, she was a leader.

Mrs T's government gave us the Maastricht Treaty which deepened our euro-commitments more than anything else.

Which of our rules and laws have been eroded? Name a few.

So you are unable to name any of these burning issues, erosions of rules and so forth which have so outraged you?

(Off to look up Maastricht.)

Sorry.

Single European Act in February 1986.

Maastricht = Major. Quite right.

Maggie more or less invented the Single Market in 1986.

I can't look up the rules and laws that have been eroded that have appalled you, can I?

Not even Google is telepathic.

If you can't name any - and you have had over 90 minutes now - that's fine.

I mean given that they are all so important and all I would have expected them to pour forth freely.

OK. Maybe a few was asking too much.

Name one.