Brents budget and Wilmot returns

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I'm sure he was doing some coaching when Sheridan brought him here.

Maybe it was the kids?

Nope he was a manager for some other club but he wasnt coaching under shezza.

PatDunne wrote:

A bit longer wait than expected but a cat did appear............

charleymouse wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

zyph wrote:

Graiser wrote:

He's a full time copper, so he's hardly going to give that up for the fickle world of football, so most probably the deal is with his agreement.

Please don't be logical and bring facts to bare on this subject....your thinking too sensible....spoil sport.

Nobody is disputing the idea that Rhys is happy with 2 days a week, what you are conveniently ignoring though is the statement from Adams that that is all the club could afford, do you have an opinion on that(cue cutting cloth accordingly claptrap).....

What's with all the mischief making, after signing 21-22 full time pros and an overseas pre-season training camp, perhaps that's all we can afford, so suits both parties, don't think there's anything to see here, unless you want to make it so.
Compared to last season I think we're better off in the GK coaching/playing department.
Didn't notice McCormick reaping the benefit of Bittner's astute FT coaching last season, did you ?

 full time pros, aren't we lucky!    

The pre season trip has been paid for by saps fans, not our glorious benefactor.

I don't think so, but hey don't let the truth get in the way, anyway do you think McCormick had one of his better seasons with Bittner's coaching of not ?

The highlighted in bold isn't a question, it's a denial of the truth with a snide remark thrown in for good measure.

So where are you, Graiser? Where the feck are you? Nearly 36 hours since you spewed out your nasty, blinkered bile and suddenly it's radio silence. Maybe you're still prostrate in delight that Argyle are signing "full toime pros", "oh thankyou Mr James, yer so bountiful...". Or maybe you're just in Holland, being played for a feckin mug. At least if you're there Brent won't need to pay anyone to suck his cock...

Good God, imagine for a second that you had been proven to be so entirely in the right about anything, ever. Your shrill, self-righteous nonsense would be all over the site. And now you've been shown to be entirely, utterly, humiliatingly wrong. How embarassing. So will you be apologising to those who you've been nasty to or not? And will you be drawing any conclusions from the fact that the much vaunted (by you) "overseas training camp" is not being paid for by the club at all but by the PASC and 15 poor saps paying a grand each?

Mind you, if you admit you were wrong and apologise, you'll still be a pr*ck. And if you don't, we will have confirmation that you're a massive count...  

Don't worry old chap I'm still around, although I'm an old fella I still choose to work full time and unlike some of you lovely well educated people i don't hang around a keyboard forever and a day.

I'm afraid I won't respond to your fine flourish of the English Language in the way you no doubt would enjoy.

With your rant you seem to have lost the plot old boy, best calm down before you do yourself some harm.

Just one small observation though, your rant and the rest of your mates circling around feels remarkably like PASOTi, are you sure your not Nool in disguise ?

Graiser wrote:

Don't worry old chap I'm still around, although I'm an old fella I still choose to work full time and unlike some of you lovely well educated people i don't hang around a keyboard forever and a day.

I'm afraid I won't respond to your fine flourish of the English Language in the way you no doubt would enjoy.

With your rant you seem to have lost the plot old boy, best calm down before you do yourself some harm.

Just one small observation though, your rant and the rest of your mates circling around feels remarkably like PASOTi, are you sure your not Nool in disguise ?

Again, I 'hang around my keyboard' because I run my own business as a translator. All my business comes via the net and when I'm working on documents I use online tools to help me work. Some people, and hold on to your hat here, actually work all day on computers, so checking out a forum is just a question of switching windows. It doesn't mean that we are some kind of lazy, benefit-scrounging parasites as you and your charming pal Tony are trying to imply.

And again, repeating a point which you seem to be utterly unable to take on board, there is a difference between several people thinking along similar lines and expressing their views in a forum and the orchestrated nastiness Newell and his boys have consistently been involved in. The thing is that here you won't get chucked out simply for expressing your views and that's a huge difference.

I will, however, apologise for the name-calling in my original post, which was unnecessary and didn't bring anything useful to the discussion.

I imagine Graiser at work being something like this

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charleymouse wrote:

tigertony wrote:

charleymouse wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

zyph wrote:

Graiser wrote:

He's a full time copper, so he's hardly going to give that up for the fickle world of football, so most probably the deal is with his agreement.

Please don't be logical and bring facts to bare on this subject....your thinking too sensible....spoil sport.

Nobody is disputing the idea that Rhys is happy with 2 days a week, what you are conveniently ignoring though is the statement from Adams that that is all the club could afford, do you have an opinion on that(cue cutting cloth accordingly claptrap).....

What's with all the mischief making, after signing 21-22 full time pros and an overseas pre-season training camp, perhaps that's all we can afford, so suits both parties, don't think there's anything to see here, unless you want to make it so.
Compared to last season I think we're better off in the GK coaching/playing department.
Didn't notice McCormick reaping the benefit of Bittner's astute FT coaching last season, did you ?

 full time pros, aren't we lucky!    

The pre season trip has been paid for by saps fans, not our glorious benefactor.

I don't think so, but hey don't let the truth get in the way, anyway do you think McCormick had one of his better seasons with Bittner's coaching of not ?

The highlighted in bold isn't a question, it's a denial of the truth with a snide remark thrown in for good measure.

So where are you, Graiser? Where the feck are you? Nearly 36 hours since you spewed out your nasty, blinkered bile and suddenly it's radio silence. Maybe you're still prostrate in delight that Argyle are signing "full toime pros", "oh thankyou Mr James, yer so bountiful...". Or maybe you're just in Holland, being played for a feckin mug. At least if you're there Brent won't need to pay anyone to suck his cock...

Good God, imagine for a second that you had been proven to be so entirely in the right about anything, ever. Your shrill, self-righteous nonsense would be all over the site. And now you've been shown to be entirely, utterly, humiliatingly wrong. How embarassing. So will you be apologising to those who you've been nasty to or not? And will you be drawing any conclusions from the fact that the much vaunted (by you) "overseas training camp" is not being paid for by the club at all but by the PASC and 15 poor saps paying a grand each?

Mind you, if you admit you were wrong and apologise, you'll still be a pr*ck. And if you don't, we will have confirmation that you're a massive count...  

What a vile, self-righteous and nasty post from an obviously very uneducated person who has a snag with the Queen’s English.  All this over a tour to Holland and the club signing f/t pro’s. I’m not sure anyone has any right to slag off people who decide to spend their money in a certain way. I’ve absolutely no doubt you spend your money on things that I may consider places you in the ‘’fecking mugs’’ or ‘’poor saps’’ bracket, but, it’s your money so you do what you wish.  I am guessing it’s your money but it could well be taxpayers’ money because I’m not certain your literary skills are sufficient to land a career job.

If I wanted to take my family to Florida and my neighbour said ‘’how about me and the missus come along to utilise the spare room in the villa and we’ll pay the whole cost of the holiday for you and your family’’ then I’d say ‘’thanks and agreed’’ Wouldn’t you? If the corner shop then said ‘’we’ll chip in with £2K spending money’’ would you say ‘’no thanks but just knock 2p off the price of bread for a year’’

I would suggest it’s your blinkered view that dictates your posts and certainly you appear to be ‘’not the sharpest crayon in the box’’. Have you ever thought that some posters actually work for a living in demanding jobs and don’t spend hours on here at a time but then I don’t think the words ‘demanding job’ is in your vocabulary.  Finally – what is a ‘’massive count... ?’’

What on earth are you on about? You seem to be very worried about my literary skills, so let me reassure you: I'm a self-employed translator in France. So I'm bilingual (are you?) and supply written documents in English to my customers who keep coming back to me. That should allay your concerns about my lack of a demanding job as well. A decent person would take that back.

If you honestly can't work out what a "massive count" is, then perhaps you aren't the, now how did you put it again? Ah yes "sharpest crayon in the box".

Your second paragraph (which is one of the oddest things I have ever read, but never mind) is flawed. The thing is that people didn't just step forward out of the blue to finance the whole trip, but ARGYLE ASKED THEM TO. But do, please, try it. Pop round to your neighbours' and ask them to pay for your holiday. Please film the occasion though, so we can all see you getting laughed at or preferably smacked in the face.

Oh and for you to accuse someone else of having a "blinkered view" is the most exceptional example of a lack of self-awareness I've seen for a while. Gave me a chuckle anyway. Also, "nasty"? And is it nice to make assumptions about a person's job, productivity, usefulness and abilities based on a post you dislike? Not really, is it? Hypocrite.

Did Argyle ask them by banging their door and saying ''now listen my dear chap could you help fund our tour'' or did Argyle offer places with an advert? Huge difference, but of course those whose agenda is purely ''bashing JB or the club'' are quite good at twisting stories to heap blame on JB. Congrats on your language ability. Bilingual I am not although I can say ''2 beers please my friend will pay'' in any language. My skill set is enough for the back of a postage stamp.

Pussy

Spelling, mind you, still in the fourth division .......

How refreshing to see ATD still has it's edge, a good old spat leaving all still standing and ready for the next time. No bannings, no warnings, adults being treated like adults.

charleymouse wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Don't worry old chap I'm still around, although I'm an old fella I still choose to work full time and unlike some of you lovely well educated people i don't hang around a keyboard forever and a day.

I'm afraid I won't respond to your fine flourish of the English Language in the way you no doubt would enjoy.

With your rant you seem to have lost the plot old boy, best calm down before you do yourself some harm.

Just one small observation though, your rant and the rest of your mates circling around feels remarkably like PASOTi, are you sure your not Nool in disguise ?

Again, I 'hang around my keyboard' because I run my own business as a translator. All my business comes via the net and when I'm working on documents I use online tools to help me work. Some people, and hold on to your hat here, actually work all day on computers, so checking out a forum is just a question of switching windows. It doesn't mean that we are some kind of lazy, benefit-scrounging parasites as you and your charming pal Tony are trying to imply.

And again, repeating a point which you seem to be utterly unable to take on board, there is a difference between several people thinking along similar lines and expressing their views in a forum and the orchestrated nastiness Newell and his boys have consistently been involved in. The thing is that here you won't get chucked out simply for expressing your views and that's a huge difference.

I will, however, apologise for the name-calling in my original post, which was unnecessary and didn't bring anything useful to the discussion.

I can live with that Mr Mouse, let's move on shall we ?

Hugh Watt wrote:

I imagine Graiser at work being something like this

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Graiser wrote:

charleymouse wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Don't worry old chap I'm still around, although I'm an old fella I still choose to work full time and unlike some of you lovely well educated people i don't hang around a keyboard forever and a day.

I'm afraid I won't respond to your fine flourish of the English Language in the way you no doubt would enjoy.

With your rant you seem to have lost the plot old boy, best calm down before you do yourself some harm.

Just one small observation though, your rant and the rest of your mates circling around feels remarkably like PASOTi, are you sure your not Nool in disguise ?

Again, I 'hang around my keyboard' because I run my own business as a translator. All my business comes via the net and when I'm working on documents I use online tools to help me work. Some people, and hold on to your hat here, actually work all day on computers, so checking out a forum is just a question of switching windows. It doesn't mean that we are some kind of lazy, benefit-scrounging parasites as you and your charming pal Tony are trying to imply.

And again, repeating a point which you seem to be utterly unable to take on board, there is a difference between several people thinking along similar lines and expressing their views in a forum and the orchestrated nastiness Newell and his boys have consistently been involved in. The thing is that here you won't get chucked out simply for expressing your views and that's a huge difference.

I will, however, apologise for the name-calling in my original post, which was unnecessary and didn't bring anything useful to the discussion.

I can live with that Mr Mouse, let's move on shall we ?

Well thanks for accepting my apology, which was sincerely meant anyway. Apparently the jibes about you 'working full time' and not 'hanging around a keyboard all day' (i.e. 'you scrounger') are absolutely fine, so let's move on...

But actually, hang on one minute. When Les Miserable said this: 'The pre season trip has been paid for by saps fans, not our glorious benefactor.' You replied 'I don't think so, but hey don't let the truth get in the way, anyway do you think McCormick had one of his better seasons with Bittner's coaching of [sic] not?'

Les Miserable replied 'You don't think so what?', substantiating with the following:

'THE Plymouth Argyle Supporters' Club have made a £5,000 donation to the League Two club towards the cost of their pre-season training camp in The Netherlands later this year.

The cash comes from the surplus which is made by PASC in running supporters' coaches to away games.

The donation from PASC, plus special packages for a small group of fans, (The price for this exclusive package is just £995* per supporter.We have a strictly limited 16 spaces for the Green Army on the tour on a first come)

This means the cost of Argyle's Dutch trip is believed to have been covered.'

To which you, Graiser, said: 'Apology for what, I asked a question and got an answer, what do you want party balloons and cartwheels [sic]'

I have put the above as it appeared, in good faith and there is no cross-posting involved.

Now, Graiser, what did you mean by 'I don't think so'? To what were you referring? And when you subsequently claimed that you were asking a question, didn't that question refer to the full-time/part-time goalkeeping coach and its effects on Luke McCormick? Yet when you said 'I don't think so, but don't let the truth get in the way', you were clearly referring to, and questioning (and sniping at), Les Miserable's assertion that the pre-season trip hadn't been paid for by the club but had been paid for by fans and a donation by a fans' group, an assertion which he subsequently proved to be true.

So, Graiser, you challenged something which was shown to be true. Instead of admitting you were wrong, i.e. that PAFC hasn't paid for the Netherlands trip, you pretended that you had simply asked a question, which was actually about something else entirely. Couldn't you have admitted that you were wrong? And avoided the snarkiness, notably towards Les Miserable? (Who could have avoided asking you for an apology, in fairness, but was somewhat provoked by said snarkiness).

None of this disculpates me, of course, regarding my name calling and general unpleasantness for which I've apologised and the apology still stands. But was it entirely honest to treat Les Miserable thus and to respond with such obvious bad faith in order to defend your point of view? I'm not at all sure that it was.

While we're about it, Graiser, would it be possible for you to explain why you used the words 'full time [sic] pros', please? Why would a professional football club signing 'full-time' players be an issue to underline? Surely the least one can ask of a professional football club is that it sign professsional players, i.e. on a full-time basis. Maybe stating that the players are 'full time [sic]' doesn't help your case.

Sorry for the long post (maybe we could avoid dodging the issues by simply referring to the lengthy post), but seeing as I've taken responsibility for what I said, maybe Graiser could as well.

charleymouse wrote:

Graiser wrote:

charleymouse wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Don't worry old chap I'm still around, although I'm an old fella I still choose to work full time and unlike some of you lovely well educated people i don't hang around a keyboard forever and a day.

I'm afraid I won't respond to your fine flourish of the English Language in the way you no doubt would enjoy.

With your rant you seem to have lost the plot old boy, best calm down before you do yourself some harm.

Just one small observation though, your rant and the rest of your mates circling around feels remarkably like PASOTi, are you sure your not Nool in disguise ?

Again, I 'hang around my keyboard' because I run my own business as a translator. All my business comes via the net and when I'm working on documents I use online tools to help me work. Some people, and hold on to your hat here, actually work all day on computers, so checking out a forum is just a question of switching windows. It doesn't mean that we are some kind of lazy, benefit-scrounging parasites as you and your charming pal Tony are trying to imply.

And again, repeating a point which you seem to be utterly unable to take on board, there is a difference between several people thinking along similar lines and expressing their views in a forum and the orchestrated nastiness Newell and his boys have consistently been involved in. The thing is that here you won't get chucked out simply for expressing your views and that's a huge difference.

I will, however, apologise for the name-calling in my original post, which was unnecessary and didn't bring anything useful to the discussion.

I can live with that Mr Mouse, let's move on shall we ?

Well thanks for accepting my apology, which was sincerely meant anyway. Apparently the jibes about you 'working full time' and not 'hanging around a keyboard all day' (i.e. 'you scrounger') are absolutely fine, so let's move on...

But actually, hang on one minute. When Les Miserable said this: 'The pre season trip has been paid for by saps fans, not our glorious benefactor.' You replied 'I don't think so, but hey don't let the truth get in the way, anyway do you think McCormick had one of his better seasons with Bittner's coaching of [sic] not?'

Les Miserable replied 'You don't think so what?', substantiating with the following:

'THE Plymouth Argyle Supporters' Club have made a £5,000 donation to the League Two club towards the cost of their pre-season training camp in The Netherlands later this year.

The cash comes from the surplus which is made by PASC in running supporters' coaches to away games.

The donation from PASC, plus special packages for a small group of fans, (The price for this exclusive package is just £995* per supporter.We have a strictly limited 16 spaces for the Green Army on the tour on a first come)

This means the cost of Argyle's Dutch trip is believed to have been covered.'

To which you, Graiser, said: 'Apology for what, I asked a question and got an answer, what do you want party balloons and cartwheels [sic]'

I have put the above as it appeared, in good faith and there is no cross-posting involved.

Now, Graiser, what did you mean by 'I don't think so'? To what were you referring? And when you subsequently claimed that you were asking a question, didn't that question refer to the full-time/part-time goalkeeping coach and its effects on Luke McCormick? Yet when you said 'I don't think so, but don't let the truth get in the way', you were clearly referring to, and questioning (and sniping at), Les Miserable's assertion that the pre-season trip hadn't been paid for by the club but had been paid for by fans and a donation by a fans' group, an assertion which he subsequently proved to be true.

So, Graiser, you challenged something which was shown to be true. Instead of admitting you were wrong, i.e. that PAFC hasn't paid for the Netherlands trip, you pretended that you had simply asked a question, which was actually about something else entirely. Couldn't you have admitted that you were wrong? And avoided the snarkiness, notably towards Les Miserable? (Who could have avoided asking you for an apology, in fairness, but was somewhat provoked by said snarkiness).

None of this disculpates me, of course, regarding my name calling and general unpleasantness for which I've apologised and the apology still stands. But was it entirely honest to treat Les Miserable thus and to respond with such obvious bad faith in order to defend your point of view? I'm not at all sure that it was.

While we're about it, Graiser, would it be possible for you to explain why you used the words 'full time [sic] pros', please? Why would a professional football club signing 'full-time' players be an issue to underline? Surely the least one can ask of a professional football club is that it sign professsional players, i.e. on a full-time basis. Maybe stating that the players are 'full time [sic]' doesn't help your case.

Sorry for the long post (maybe we could avoid dodging the issues by simply referring to the lengthy post), but seeing as I've taken responsibility for what I said, maybe Graiser could as well.

No apology was asked for, or expected. People only apologise on ATD for OTT abuse, getting someone to admit that they were totally wrong on a particular point is nigh on impossible.

Good word is disculpates. Sounds a bit like disco days or disc updates or discomknockerated. May well use it at golf-I was disculpated for missing that putt because the greenkeeper farted.

Anyway, this is a bit of a storm in a teacup. People get things wrong all the time on ATD, other sites and indeed life in general without the need to wear sackcloth and ashes or offer profuse apologies,no big deal really-who knows we all may be wrong about Argyle's prospects this season. Time to move on.

Agree, some times I wish I did not put the answer in the post. It causes more turbulence then in a airplane.

Reports in today media,

Adams has revealed he is close to completing the signing of a third 'keeper for his squad.

It is likely to be one of the two trialists who played for Argyle in pre-season.

One of them was 20-year-old former Crawley Town 'keeper Callum Preston, while the identity of the other was not confirmed.

What a good crowd for a friendly yesterday 8,021, would like that and more for next week game.

Tgwu wrote:

What a good crowd for a friendly yesterday 8,021, would like that and more for next week game.

I was a bit shocked at that good crowd for such a prestige friendly.
Let's see what next Saturday brings. I would think that Luton will be amongst the top group of travelling fans to Home Park this season, and what with it being the first game, there could be quite a few of them.

The fanbase at Argyle is Fantastic considering how the Club is run, the serial Brown nosers on non Democratic forums love, to call the Plymouth public appathetic, but i would say for whats on offer the support is wonderous. Lets hope starting next week that Adams proves me wrong and turns out to be Argyles best ever manager!

People here are astounded when I tell them about the size of crowds Argyle can attract in the 4th tier. They also find it strange that I have no "second - first tier - EPL" club too! They also think I'm strange as I "support" Bonner SC and not one of the top Bundesliga clubs!  

If you want to find some real fickle fans, naysayers and moaning Minnies, then come over here.

Bonner SC got promoted to the 4th tier last season and played their first game yesterday (at home) against Düsseldorf U23s. Tickets cost up to €15.

In lovely weather, they won 2-1 in front of 1,500 people!

The Regional League is very difficult to get out of. To get into the third tier, you must first win the league (second place is just that!) and then a home and away playoff!

Bonn are all part time professionals and are up against a lot of full time professional clubs.

There is no rich benefactor here and a lot of the work done behind the scenes is done by volunteers (including me sometimes).

That first win though was very important as the vast majority of the "Bonn football public" don't believe the club will go any higher and in fact go straight back down again this season.

The only way to get people to come and additional sponsorship is success on the pitch. It's an uphill battle but after being liquidated and re-formed a few seasons back, things are moving in the right direction.

I'll give you an example of what I mean....

Two seasons ago, Bonn were in the regional cup final and fighting for promotion.

The cup winners would qualify for the the first round of the German cup. That basically means a home tie against higher opposition every round until they get knocked out.

Over 6,000 (around 4,000 from Bonn) turned up to see Bonn lose to a higher level side.

Four days later, I watched them play a home league game. Promotion was on the cards.

Trouble is, I only had 199 others to keep me company!

As Tring and others say, it's all about success on the pitch and belief!

Hugh Watt wrote:

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