Rubbish

Who was the woman from Woolwell that had her rubbish dumped at South Hams beauty spot and why did people stand up and back her.



http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Plymouth-woman-s-rubbish-dumped-South-Hams-beauty/story-29245095-detail/story.htm

Makes Wooly look much nicer

Easy to find her on twitter, just look for the artist who tweeted it. Her friend defended her by saying she paid some toerag to clear her garden.
Why you would leave correspondence in the garden feck knows.

Although I haven't read the story because it will cr ash an I can't be bothered maybe she paid someone in good faith to dispose of the rubbish for her? If she knew it was going to be illegally dumped wouldn't she have removed any paperwork with her name from the rubbish? If so its down to the fly tipper not her in fairness we all love a bit of trial by media though.

Just give the fly Tipper's name to the polis, job done.

Bleddy disgusting.Why can't these people do just a smidgen of research and find an appropriate place to put their rubbish? The corner between the Devonport end and the Mayflower enclosure would have been absolutely perfect.

Friends in Tavi who had some asbestos sheeting to get rid of were advised by the first waste disposal contractor to quote that the best thing they could do is pay him a small sum, and he'd go and dump it in a hedge. Then he could anonymously call the council, who would then pay him over the odds to pick it up out of said hedge and dispose of it properly. They politely declined.

As Amsterdam says, the lady might have paid good money to have it taken away. She also might have paid a pittance and not really given a damn what happened to it. Who knows? If you give 'some scrote' £25 though, are you really expecting them to dispose of everything in accordance with the current Waste Regulations?

"Current waste regulations" or fly tippers charter as they are otherwise known. I'm not condoning fly tipping I abhor it but it's so difficult and/or costly to dispose of concrete and plasterboard for instance you can see why people resort to it. If plasterboard is so damaging and costly to dispose of why is it so cheap to buy and so widely used? Another point to bear in mind is that your council tax is used to cover the cost of waste collection so why do you have to pay again to dispose of stuff down the dump? This stuff used to be collected from outside our houses but we now have to take it to the dump ourselves and pay for the privelage. If you voted for this austerity shite yourself then you've bought it on yourselves, it's a bit of a fecker for us that didn't though.

I took plasterboard out to the tip with no trouble, There was a skip full there.

Easy as feck in Scotland, recycling is cheaper than landfill, very popular up yer.

Plasterboard, as well as thinks like brick, tiles and what have you, are all inert and non-harmful. It's also not biodegradable. It used to be collected from outside our houses and then ploughed into the ground, which is nice and cheap - as long as you have infinite amounts of landfill. Now it's collected separately and sent for recycling. They could do kerbside pick-ups, and then sort the rubbish after the fact, or they could do separate non-landfill pick-ups. That all costs money. Even just hiring separate skips at the tip and managing them costs money.

You could argue that those costs should be covered by our council tax (which would presumably go up) or by increased funds to local authorities from central government (unlikely under the current shower) rather than the end user paying, and I'd probably agree. You can't argue that we should just keep shovelling it into landfill without a care in the world.

All the contractors I work with dispose of waste properly. Bigger ones sort into skips at their yard, and have regular collections. Smaller ones bag the waste and advise the clients to take it to the tip themselves, as that's usually more cost effective. The fact is that disposal of these materials costs money, but no-one wants to pay for it - not the people having work done, and not Devon County Council (who are the ones who decided to to start charging the local authorities to dispose of this stuff - a charge they promptly shifted onto us.)

People have been fly-tipping, and making excuses for it, since I've been in the construction industry, which is about 20 years now. Local or national government swallowing the increased costs of not sending things to landfill would help encourage a few people to stop doing it, but most fly-tipping instances are people slinging domestic bin bags or appliances into alleyways and hedges. Cost or no cost, the majority of that will continue because the people doing it are bell-ends.

Done a SFD there...

The landfill tax makes recycling cheaper if your council don't then you pay more council tax.

Tavi dump charge £2.50 for a small bag of plasterboard, I got told off recently for using a chicken feed bag about 600mm x 300mm. (A bit big innit?) The landfill argument is a bit crap Mike as the plasterboard I paid for at the tip would have still been land filled only I've paid for it twice,once via council tax and once again down the tip its still been landfilled anyway what other options do I have?

I can only comment on my area, the tip has a big recycling area for everything including garden waste, rubble, wood, metal, electronics, glass, paper, and landfill. No charge for the public but vans and lorries are weighed.

You should see the amount I get charged for grass by pcc its a feffing outrage. All vans pay the same what ever size they are. So we all went out and bought trailers then some bright spark said thats the same as two visits so they charged us double.

Well, let's get this right. While everyone blames PCC, it's Viridor who manage everything, and they've got a FTSE dividend to consider. In the end, the blame rests with Westminster as they are the ones penalising local councils for landfill.
Plasterboard is now not harmless in landfill, due to the glue used to stick the paper. a bad product. So, why don't the producers change their glue ? Then gardeners like me could use the gypsum. If anything deserves an EU regulation, that does.

What people now have to understand is rubbish is big, big business, and is more and more being run by private enterprise. So be prepared to see the costs soar.
One more thing, in the 1970s we had ice cream wars for those that remember. then bus wars and any amount of touting wars. Well, what with the German owned Energy from Waste needing to be fed and Virridor doing the recycling, guess what I can see happening in the future. Various bin lorries operated by these companies racing around, stealing bins, picking up any rubbish they can find, recyclables or no.
And I fully expect some cowboy science to be publicised stating burning waste in  an incinerator is more green than recycling, such is the power of these goons.
This is what eventually happens when you allow profit motivated people into a market regulated by politicians who are in the pocket  of these sorts.
One more thing in an SFD way.......... don't consume so much living yer life. That's where the real problem lies.

At least the bin men are fit now they have to run around all day. I love the sanctimonious "consume less living yer life" bit. With the ever expanding population and the everybody welcome from all corners of the earth that you advocate what are we going to build all the houses from? Wholemeal houses its the future.

With comments like that, you're no Green 'ammy, that's for sure.
As for the world population explosion, that is a matter of birth control, and spreading wealth. The birth rate drops like a stone when wealth increases for obvious reasons.
As for migration, that will happen, come what may, or do you expect people just to sit quietly in some desolate place and die. It will continue, in, out, up, down, sideways or underneath. I believe it's called supply and demand. If a whacking great of lump of capital sits around doing diddly in a small island, it will find the labour to mate with.

Oh contraire I live my life in as green a fashion as I can, we only have one vehicle, I cycle as much as I can, only eat free range and organic, grow my own veg, was a green woodworker for half my working life and only had two children with the idea that population shrinkage not growth would ease the strain on the planet. I'm not a Green party member as I just can't sign up to any party for me I'd have to believe in all their policies and I've never found a party that does that for me I guess I think too much for myself never fits into the hive mind. Anyway my main point is you can't advocate population growth (through whatever mechanism cool or no) and then have a pop at people using plasterboard under your vision of the future there's going to be much more plasterboard and I'm guessing that the Europeans are keener on fly tipping than we are from my observations made whilst traveling over most of it.

Plasterboard is inert. No glue is used in the process - at least it wasn't when I went to the Knauf factory. They press wet plater of Paris between heavy paper and let it go off. Tear the paper off and put it on your garden - it's high in sulphates, which is why it has to be disposed of in separate, costly, monocell sites to reduce the risk of sulphate gas build up.

Which means the landfill argument is valid - the price is there to cover costs, discourage people from dumping it in the first place, and make sure those poor Viridor directors can buy their kids shoes. Won't somebody think of the children?

If DCC don't have a recycling scheme in place, they need shooting. If British Gypsum will come and pick it up from bigger building sites, they'll pick it up from a central site in D'em.

Anyway, we shouldn't beat up on plasterboard. It's cheap, flexible, highly useful, and much easier to write 'Pete's mum is fit' on (as I saw on a site yesterday) than split laths.

Lime kilns aren't very green neither.

lawnmowerman wrote:

You should see the amount I get charged for grass by pcc its a feffing outrage. All vans pay the same what ever size they are. So we all went out and bought trailers then some bright spark said thats the same as two visits so they charged us double.

Burn it bhey i burn 24/7

We've been dumping all our building waste in the oggin for years, in Stonehouse we refer to it as chumming.

The council did the same into Millbay until some twat realised it would make a better marina than car park!