Hillsborough and David Conn

harvetheslayer wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

After the longest inquest in British legal history the jury, which saw all of the evidence collected by every interested party and listened to all of the arguments and counter-arguments presented by some of the country's leading lawyers and barristers about it, has unreservedly exonerated the Liverpool fans of all accusations made against them and still you want to blame them despite there being not a shred of evidence to support what you're saying?

Have I got that right?

Where did I say I blamed Liverpool fans !!
I'll turn it around for you. Do you seriously expect people to believe that every Liverpool Fan in that end had not drunk one drop of alcohol that day !  Course they had as we all do.
What I'm saying is that Liverpool fans are in the right no question so the families do themselves no favours by shouting the same message from the rooftops. We get it. The Court accepts it. Move on
Hearing that lead whining woman day after day will quickly lose them public sympathy. Let the CPS get on and deal with it

No. What I am saying is that the inquest found no evidence that alcohol consumption was a causative factor - so why suggest it played a part when the suggestion has already been dismissed by a jury which has actually considered all of the evidence?

pepsipete wrote:

Even if the police opened the gate,  the fans did not have to rush in and crush people to death. Remember Argyle fans at Arsenal singing let us in, let us in.  Some did not get in till half time.

There is no "if" about whether the police opened the gate.

Plod i/c on the day Duckenfield admitted in court under oath that he ordered it to be opened.

Once it was opened nobody had any control about whether they rushed or in which direction they headed. The weight of the crowd overwhelmed everybody and they surged towards the middle two pens because that was where the only access, via tunnel, onto the terraces led.

Harrowing podcast available on 5 Live hosted by Kelly Cates and featuring some of the survivors and David Conn. Difficult listen at times but so powerful.

I didn't realise but David Conn received a standing ovation at the press conference from the families. If he does nothing else in life he's contributed remarkably to overturning a miscarriage of justice and top to bottom establishment cover-up.

BREAKING: The brand new acting chief constable of South Yorkshire police Dawn Copley is stepping down as she is subject to an investigation.

Shorely she can't be connected to Hillsboough?

Just "vanilla" corruption this time by the looks of it.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/28/new-south-yorkshire-police-chief-hillsborough-dawn-copley-offers-resign-over-conduct

Not apparently connected to Hillsborough.

She had been investigated over her conduct with another force. Source Beeb.

Ex South Yorkshire police Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield, the FA Cup semi final commander. has been charged with 95 counts of manslaughter.

SYP Chief Inspector also to be charged over alleged lies in aftermath
Sheff Weds Secretary Graham Mackrell accused of H&S breaches
SYP Solicitor Peter Metcalf, Former Chief Supt Donald Denton & Detective Chief Inspector Alan Foster all charged with perverting course of justice

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-40419819

Let's hope the families can get some sort of closure once this part of this whole sorry affair is concluded.

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

Let's hope the families can get some sort of closure once this part of this whole sorry affair is concluded.

I hope so as well but I worry that if any punishments are too light the families may keep going. I just stumbled into an article about football hooligans and stadiums - link below. One paragraph here

It was not hooliganism that caused Hillsborough. It was anti-hooliganism that made it possible – anti-hooligan feeling and anti-hooligan measures – complacency that allowed it, and incompetence that triggered it.

https://thegreatcritique.wordpress.com/2013/04/21/hillsborough-correct-historical-context/

seadog wrote:

No policeman retired or otherwise will see court over this.

Personally I would have agreed with you