Training in Newton Abbot?

One to ask the AFT, Are there a seperate account for the youth teams or are they in the umbrella of Agyle account.

Not sure what the fuss is about, it's only a 30min jaunt up the road any youngster who really wants to make it wont think twice about it, good facilities and probably a good financial fit

Graiser wrote:

Not sure what the fuss is about, it's only a 30min jaunt up the road any youngster who really wants to make it wont think twice about it, good facilities and probably a good financial fit

How is it good facilities and a good financial fit? is it worth uprooting an entire youth setup to newton abbot because that place has 3 pitches in a field with a hut? hardly leaving harpers park for much better are they? plus why move them there to help out torquay and more importantly who is paying for it?

Angry wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Not sure what the fuss is about, it's only a 30min jaunt up the road any youngster who really wants to make it wont think twice about it, good facilities and probably a good financial fit

How is it good facilities and a good financial fit? is it worth uprooting an entire youth setup to newton abbot because that place has 3 pitches in a field with a hut? hardly leaving harpers park for much better are they? plus why move them there to help out torquay and more importantly who is paying for it?

It's my opinion, it may not match the common theme on this thread but it's mine and I'm sticking to it, anybody would think its a 100 mile up the road instead of 20-30 mins hardly a marathon is it ?
There are good facilities at SH, so we're sharing with Torquay, what's the problem with helping them out, we were glad of the support we received from other clubs in our dark days weren't we ?

Angry wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Not sure what the fuss is about, it's only a 30min jaunt up the road any youngster who really wants to make it wont think twice about it, good facilities and probably a good financial fit

How is it good facilities and a good financial fit? is it worth uprooting an entire youth setup to newton abbot because that place has 3 pitches in a field with a hut? hardly leaving harpers park for much better are they? plus why move them there to help out torquay and more importantly who is paying for it?

Very true Angry, why would you do that?

Graiser wrote:

Angry wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Not sure what the fuss is about, it's only a 30min jaunt up the road any youngster who really wants to make it wont think twice about it, good facilities and probably a good financial fit

How is it good facilities and a good financial fit? is it worth uprooting an entire youth setup to newton abbot because that place has 3 pitches in a field with a hut? hardly leaving harpers park for much better are they? plus why move them there to help out torquay and more importantly who is paying for it?

It's my opinion, it may not match the common theme on this thread but it's mine and I'm sticking to it, anybody would think its a 100 mile up the road instead of 20-30 mins hardly a marathon is it ?
There are good facilities at SH, so we're sharing with Torquay, what's the problem with helping them out, we were glad of the support we received from other clubs in our dark days weren't we ?

If that's what you feel fair enough i just think its a waste of time and money when the facilities are not that much better than harpers park. We dont owe Torquay anything other than help we certainly havent got the money ourselves to pay their rent on their behalf when we cant even fund the youth academy properly or even pay for a tin of paint without having the trust hand over cash.

Foxy wrote:

Angry wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Not sure what the fuss is about, it's only a 30min jaunt up the road any youngster who really wants to make it wont think twice about it, good facilities and probably a good financial fit

How is it good facilities and a good financial fit? is it worth uprooting an entire youth setup to newton abbot because that place has 3 pitches in a field with a hut? hardly leaving harpers park for much better are they? plus why move them there to help out torquay and more importantly who is paying for it?

Very true Angry, why would you do that?

Now now Foxy your just spuddling

This has nothing to do with helping Torquay. Its another phase of picking over the bones of their academy set up. Torquay will be desperate for someone to help share the burden. We have them over a barrel. Plus we may now have a better chance of landing some of the Torquay lads. But at what cost. To the person that said whats all the fuss about. I'll tell you. Our patch extend down to Penzance Truro Newquay etc. The lads travelling from a long way west are going to do do an additional 60 miles a day. That's potentially over two hundred miles every day. Is that really ok. I say it's poorly thought out. How many will we loose. How many are going to say sorry I didn't sign up for that. Or just won't be able to commit to that much travelling.

MTM wrote:

This has nothing to do with helping Torquay. Its another phase of picking over the bones of their academy set up. Torquay will be desperate for someone to help share the burden. We have them over a barrel. Plus we may now have a better chance of landing some of the Torquay lads. But at what cost. To the person that said whats all the fuss about. I'll tell you. Our patch extend down to Penzance Truro Newquay etc. The lads travelling from a long way west are going to do do an additional 60 miles a day. That's potentially over two hundred miles every day. Is that really ok. I say it's poorly thought out.  How many will we loose. How many are going to say sorry I didn't sign up for that.  Or just won't be able to commit to that much travelling.  

All depends on how hungry you are doesn't it ? If the youngsters want it handed on a plate then not for them but if you really wanted to succeed you'll do anything.
If any of the premier league clubs invite any youngster for training, will they turn it down because it's to far ? No they bleddy won't

Graiser wrote:

MTM wrote:

This has nothing to do with helping Torquay. Its another phase of picking over the bones of their academy set up. Torquay will be desperate for someone to help share the burden. We have them over a barrel. Plus we may now have a better chance of landing some of the Torquay lads. But at what cost. To the person that said whats all the fuss about. I'll tell you. Our patch extend down to Penzance Truro Newquay etc. The lads travelling from a long way west are going to do do an additional 60 miles a day. That's potentially over two hundred miles every day. Is that really ok. I say it's poorly thought out.  How many will we loose. How many are going to say sorry I didn't sign up for that.  Or just won't be able to commit to that much travelling.  

All depends on how hungry you are doesn't it ? If the youngsters want it handed on a plate then not for them but if you really wanted to succeed you'll do anything.
If any of the premier league clubs invite any youngster for training, will they turn it down because it's to far ? No they bleddy won't

yeah i dont think that stupid philosophy can be applied to kids who have school in the morning

Stupid for you perhaps, reality for me

MTM wrote:

This has nothing to do with helping Torquay. Its another phase of picking over the bones of their academy set up. Torquay will be desperate for someone to help share the burden. We have them over a barrel. Plus we may now have a better chance of landing some of the Torquay lads. But at what cost. To the person that said whats all the fuss about. I'll tell you. Our patch extend down to Penzance Truro Newquay etc. The lads travelling from a long way west are going to do do an additional 60 miles a day. That's potentially over two hundred miles every day. Is that really ok. I say it's poorly thought out.  How many will we loose. How many are going to say sorry I didn't sign up for that.  Or just won't be able to commit to that much travelling.  

Your right its not well thought out at all for a trainging ground thats not that amazing compared to harpers. A far better deal would be move the first team out of harpers work out a deal with marjons to stay there full time which im sure can be done and keep the youth team at harpers.

No it doesn't. it depends on how deep the pockets are of the family member providing transport. Lads that age by and large are 100% dependent on the support of their families, who may find that they need to finish work and extra half hour early and get home later as well. Maybe Argyle are happy to shift their manor East by 30 miles in full knowledge that parts of Cornwall will become too distant. It may be that the club has decided to be more active in Torbay and maybe even Exeter but will have to sacrifice some of west Cornwall. I personally think that to compete for the best local talent they have to sort the training out first. Several very good lads choose to travel to Exeter from the Plymouth area because of the work they have put in to getting the training right up there. We used to have that top spot in the west country and we surrendered it. We are in my opinion now playing catch up. I don't believe that our lack of facilities are a factor. We just took our eye off the ball.

MTM wrote:

No it doesn't. it depends on how deep the pockets are of the family member providing transport. Lads that age by and large are 100% dependent on the support of their families, who may find that they need to finish work and extra half hour early and get home later as well. Maybe Argyle are happy to shift their manor East by 30 miles in full knowledge that parts of Cornwall will become too distant. It may be that the club has decided to be more active in Torbay and maybe even Exeter but will have to sacrifice some of west Cornwall. I personally think that to compete for the best local talent they have to sort the training out first. Several very good lads choose to travel to Exeter from the Plymouth area because of the work they have put in to getting the training right up there. We used to have that top spot in the west country and we surrendered it. We are in my opinion now playing catch up. I don't believe that our lack of facilities are a factor. We just took our eye off the ball.

So some lads are travelling 40 miles up the road to Exeter and we're all cribbing about travelling 30 miles to Newton Abbot

We certainly did take our eye off the ball no doubt about that but we've got to start again, maybe this is it

Graiser wrote:

Angry wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Not sure what the fuss is about, it's only a 30min jaunt up the road any youngster who really wants to make it wont think twice about it, good facilities and probably a good financial fit

How is it good facilities and a good financial fit? is it worth uprooting an entire youth setup to newton abbot because that place has 3 pitches in a field with a hut? hardly leaving harpers park for much better are they? plus why move them there to help out torquay and more importantly who is paying for it?

It's my opinion, it may not match the common theme on this thread but it's mine and I'm sticking to it, anybody would think its a 100 mile up the road instead of 20-30 mins hardly a marathon is it ?
There are good facilities at SH, so we're sharing with Torquay, what's the problem with helping them out, we were glad of the support we received from other clubs in our dark days weren't we ?

So a mini bus will travel 30 miles ( I've checked) in 20-30 minutes. Not sure why you chose to put in 20 minutes, other than for effect. It's a 60 mile round trip. Probably an hour and a half on the road. What a waste of training time. And this every weekday.

The only people to gain are opposing teams coming from the other direction.

20, 30 or 40 mins, so what, I've lived there and in Torquay so I'm well aware of the travelling time, seems to me it wouldn't matter what the club did in regard to the youth, it would never be good enough for some.

You would expect a team called Plymouth Argyle to train in Plymouth, to send young schoolboys 30 miles to train is a shit idea imo, still its not about the football its all about Jimmy making a small profit.

Graiser wrote:

20, 30 or 40 mins, so what, I've lived there and in Torquay so I'm well aware of the travelling time, seems to me it wouldn't matter what the club did in regard to the youth, it would never be good enough for some.

not when its a totally fecked up idea and sending kids to train in newton abbot on a farmers field that has a hut and 3 pitches only to pay torquays rent is just that fecked up

Just as I thought

No Graiser. It's not that simple. This is a lot more than just sniping at the club. People are really pissed off that the youth set up is broken. River Allen for example. Now that is one seriously talented player. The club failed to get him ready for league football. He's got the talent but the club let him down. The club has got rid of lots of players who they failed to get ready. There are tons of them playing in the lower leagues of English football. I have no doubt Allen will be another. So what is the point when us pretending to develop youngsters just to let them go and let someone else finish the job. Our best hope is that Adams will get involved with the youth set up and make some drastic changes. It needs them.

Graiser wrote:

Just as I thought

if the club were just moving the YTS squad of the 1st and 2nd year apprentices up there and the facilities where top range and the club could really see a benefit of having its youth squad train there over time then i would be for it.

But its not like that is it the facilities are bog standard up there not much better than harpers park and there is no benefit to moving the whole setup there and the only ones who benefit are torquay who get there rent paid for them.

MTM wrote:

No Graiser. It's not that simple. This is a lot more than just sniping at the club. People are really pissed off that the youth set up is broken. River Allen for example. Now that is one seriously talented player. The club failed to get him ready for league football. He's got the talent but the club let him down. The club has got rid of lots of players who they failed to get ready. There are tons of them playing in the lower leagues of English football. I have no doubt Allen will be another. So what is the point when us pretending to develop youngsters just to let them go and let someone else finish the job. Our best hope is that Adams will get involved with the youth set up and make some drastic changes. It needs them.

One thing about being a mediocre team in a mediocre league is that promising young players, such as River Allen, don't have to be quite as promising to feature at 1st XI level as they would need to be were we a competitive CCC club.

Our current wallow in mediocrity might be a real ball-ache for us as supporters but for up-and-coming youngsters surely it makes us a very desirable destination...

Think back to our first spell in Div 4 when Warnock was manager. I seem to remember that a very young Paul Wotton got blooded to start what turned out to be a pretty significant career for us but would that have happened had he come through the system a few years earlier in Kemp's era or a few later when we climbed back to CCC level again? Would Wotton be the bona fide club legend that he is now? I suspect not.

The failure to manage the career progression of a promising youngster so that he makes that leap into 1st team football, a few successes apart, has dogged Argyle for years and I don't really know why. There's plenty of decent raw material in the south west to work with and the football world at that level is small enough for everybody to know who the real talent is but somehow our conveyor belt has failed to consistently deliver - and I completely reject the concept that our lads are in some way intrinsically inferior or less committed than any other lad anywhere else. It can be done and it should be done and hordes of other clubs do it with no little success. It's that serious an issue that almost nothing is more important to the long term well-being of the club and it is exactly the sort of thing that any club that entertains notions of belonging to the wider local community has to do.

Just look at last season: Sheridan was quite happy to play young players loaned from other clubs but not our youngsters... That suggests he wasn't afraid to give youth its head, and in practice he recruited surprisingly young players for the best part, but that in his professional judgement our kids weren't up to the mark. The question "why not?" deserves to be answered.

Sadly I don't see much hope of any such commitment to the local community being shown by the club or there being any sort of willingness to implement a plan that would need investment of both time and money over several years before it came to fruition. To be honest it makes me wonder why we bother with it at all.

I've heard it said that the only people celebrating a relegation are the youth department. The standard drops accordingly.

The Youth set up at any financially struggling club are vulnerable. At this particular moment very few players are coming through making it increasingly hard to justify.

This move to Seale Hayne might be the first move in an attempt to make it more difficult than ever to produce players. A bit cynical I know but it may well give Brent an opportunity next year to pull the plug on it.

Perhaps something to do with the reserves playing in the Peninsula league next season, and needing a ground they can play competitive fixtures on?

"The venue meets the ground criteria of the South West Peninsula League and provides the best playing facilities available to us in Devon and Cornwall."

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Flat_Track_Bully wrote:

Perhaps something to do with the reserves playing in the Peninsula league next season, and needing a ground they can play competitive fixtures on?

"The venue meets the ground criteria of the South West Peninsula League and provides the best playing facilities available to us in Devon and Cornwall."

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i thought they were playing at the bickleigh barracks?