Club starts interviews for vacant manager role

Bet victor has Jones at 1/1

good job i stuck that money on at 8/1

Czarcasm wrote:

ejh wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Jones probably falls into the same bracket as Cocko. A young coach looking for a break into the 'big' time.

The more I read and hear about Jones, the more I'm warming to him.

He's unproven at the end of the day, like Coughlan, like Wotton.

Reports are saying he is 'well rated' - well rated by who? And why don't they make him manager then?

We are too big a club to be taking on rookies in my opinion. If a candidate has experience like Derek Adams has, taking a club up two leagues and stabilising at that level, then we would be foolish to ignore that candidate - just in the sheer hope of finding the next fresh faced Eddie Howe.

That said everyone needs their first chance.

Given Skynet said 'it isn't what you know, its who you know', and Jones was assistant manager at Yeovil when Starnes was there....perhaps it is time to lump on.

EJ, the reality of the situation is that we're a 4th division club with an owner that doesn't like spending money - especially any of his own money. If ever there was a club that would look to take on a rookie, with our financial/ownership situation, it is PAFC.

We are a 4th division club, but one with a degree of gravitas.

The last time Argyle gave a managerial novice the job, he was the all time England international record appearance holder. Now we're contemplating appointing a Brighton coach that apparently used to play for Yeovil who nobody has heard of.

It doesn't mean he will be crap at all, but it is an underwhelming reality.

The realistic alternative is Coughlan who again has never managed a club in his life.

We NEED promotion out of this league, and we have got rid of a proven manager in Sheridan only to be deciding between a list of candidates who haven't achieved an ounce of what he had, either on the pitch or in the dugout!!

I am off to lie in the foetal position and worry about what tomorrow brings....

Everyone has to start somewhere ffs

So some fans used to hate the way JS stood by the dugout with his arms folded etc etc ....
Adams appears to throw fireworks around and scream and shout ..... some fans not happy with that. Can't win really!!
As for the 2 ''missing interviewees'' I'm fairly certain that Wotton was one because JB knows how highly most fans rate Wotton and to not interview him would be like Liverpool not interviewing Gerrard for the managers role if there was a vacancy.
No 6 ??? Graiser saw a flash car at HP while he was out for his morning jog with the plate
''B15 SAM'' - Sam Allardice?

One of the best managers in my time of watching Argyle was Tony Waiters. I think we were his first manager's job. Didn't seem to stop him being successful.

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

One of the best managers in my time of watching Argyle was Tony Waiters. I think we were his first manager's job. Didn't seem to stop him being successful.

And im sure people could name more who werent. Fletcher being the last one.

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

One of the best managers in my time of watching Argyle was Tony Waiters. I think we were his first manager's job. Didn't seem to stop him being successful.

It was indeed his first job in league management but he was manager of the England youth team and had extensive experience in coaching at some big clubs, Liverpool included. And he also commanded respect because he was Tony Waiters. I'll never forget the thrill of those first few years that he was in charge and also won't forget how he was shat on by Daniel and co after the usual Argyle sell out when it comes to any sort of crunch. He was the only rookie to succeed in relatively modern times though-Malcolm Allison did make an impact in his short spell but can't think of anyone else.

As fully expected brent cheaps out.  Of course it may not be a disaster of Fletcher proportions but a complete novice manager combined with worse players than last season doesn't bode well for 15/16.  Think I'll give this season a miss.

BRENT OUT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Freathy wrote:

As fully expected brent cheaps out.  Of course it may not be a disaster of Fletcher proportions but a complete novice manager combined with worse players than last season doesn't bode well for 15/16.  Think I'll give this season a miss.

BRENT OUT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wouldn't it be a good idea to see who's appointed before doing your sackcloth and ashes routine?

Paven wrote:

Everyone has to start somewhere ffs

Good point, why not make you or I manager then? What has Nathan Jones actually done to prove he has what it takes to get Argyle up and firing? We would be hiring him in nothing but blind faith. How can JB realistically and honestly demand a top 3 position with a playoff budget from a gaffer who has never managed before? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

It blows my mind that fans want him over the likes of Derek Adams who got a club up two levels and consolidated at that level. But apparently he upset a few people along the way and would be bad news. Of course the likes of Clough, Fergie and Mourinho never had enemies, never contentiously got rid of players they didn't like the look of, never ruffled the feathers of their chairmen and board of directors.

At the end of the day it comes to this. Eddie Howe is the managerial flavour of the month, and everyone seems happy to settle for someone of a similar age, who is badged and licenced up, to come into Argyle and just do for us what Howe did at Bournemouth. And I'm really not sure it is going to be that simple.

Cut through the eddie howe image, and we seem to have our heart set on a rookie manager with barely any real knowledge of how to get out of League Two, no demonstrable experience of doing it with a similar club, no heaving book of contacts. But knows how to put the cones out for England U21s and take Brighton training sessions. Such a massive risk. If we have a promotion season under this rookie manager's debut season, I will be well and truly astounded. And wasn't that the whole point of ditching Shez?

Good points EJH. What is often not factored into the "Eddie Howe" story is that he is Bournemouth through and through.

He joined the club at the age of 13 and played over 250 times for them before retiring at 30 with a knee injury. With the club in financial meltdown the supporters raised £21k in donations to buy him back from Pompey.

Yes, he's talented but he was given time at a club who adored him when the club was at rock bottom. He was already guaranteed legend status for keeping them in the football league despite a 17 point deduction. That is a far cry from a rookie coming into a club he doesn't know with an expectation that he has to achieve promotion in his first season with 9 weeks to go until the first game and so much uncertainty about the club and the squad.

Given limited knowledge of the candidates personally other than what I read I would plump for Derek Adams.

Warnock, How can we entice good players or manager when this plonker say's this


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Neil was on this morning with Brazil and they asked him if Argyle had appointed anyone yet......
To which he replied no, they're interviewing 4 or 5 of the candidates in the papers this morning. Named Jones and Derek Adams as two of them.
Then they asked if he didn't fancy it and he replied "nah, you spend 9 or 10 hours on the motorway every Friday and Saturday ...... And that's just the local derbies

Dick Trickle wrote:

Good points EJH. What is often not factored into the "Eddie Howe" story is that he is Bournemouth through and through.

He joined the club at the age of 13 and played over 250 times for them before retiring at 30 with a knee injury. With the club in financial meltdown the supporters raised £21k in donations to buy him back from Pompey.

Yes, he's talented but he was given time at a club who adored him when the club was at rock bottom. He was already guaranteed legend status for keeping them in the football league despite a 17 point deduction. That is a far cry from a rookie coming into a club he doesn't know with an expectation that he has to achieve promotion in his first season with 9 weeks to go until the first game and so much uncertainty about the club and the squad.

Given limited knowledge of the candidates personally other than what I read I would plump for Derek Adams.

They of course have Carl Fletcher coaching there younger players (another Bournemouth player)....and doing it well by the results that they have achieved.

Although his management time at Argyle was rather beyond his experience at the time....it must of forged some resolve for the future.

Desperation really by Brent giving him the full time job so soon....a case of throwing him to the lions....and for far too long for everyones good......we did rubbish him week by week, as he failed to dig Argyle out of the pit that administration had buried us in.....the man was likeable...his inexperience wasn't......and I can still remember him being interviewed about the match analysis that day....and finishing off by mentioning that he had just been sacked.....how can any club put a sacked manager in that position....unless he insisted on doing it.

Better times have arrived for him and as a person I have respect for him having come through that cauldron of a learning curve.

Tgwu wrote:

Warnock, How can we entice good players or manager when this plonker say's this


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Neil was on this morning with Brazil and they asked him if Argyle had appointed anyone yet......
To which he replied no, they're interviewing 4 or 5 of the candidates in the papers this morning. Named Jones and Derek Adams as two of them.
Then they asked if he didn't fancy it and he replied "nah, you spend 9 or 10 hours on the motorway every Friday and Saturday ...... And that's just the local derbies

But it is true isn't it.....until Plymouth sort out an Airport.....which would mean they could then fly to away games as a essential part of saving wasted time and start to look more like a professional outfit again.

zyph wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

Warnock, How can we entice good players or manager when this plonker say's this


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Neil was on this morning with Brazil and they asked him if Argyle had appointed anyone yet......
To which he replied no, they're interviewing 4 or 5 of the candidates in the papers this morning. Named Jones and Derek Adams as two of them.
Then they asked if he didn't fancy it and he replied "nah, you spend 9 or 10 hours on the motorway every Friday and Saturday ...... And that's just the local derbies

But it is true isn't it.....until Plymouth sort out an Airport.....which would mean they could then fly to away games as a essential part of saving wasted time and start to look more like a professional outfit again.

Who going pay for the flights, buckets rattlers or we keep on giving website?


We could see IJN as the in house air hostess, the pig with the most

zyph wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

Warnock, How can we entice good players or manager when this plonker say's this


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Neil was on this morning with Brazil and they asked him if Argyle had appointed anyone yet......
To which he replied no, they're interviewing 4 or 5 of the candidates in the papers this morning. Named Jones and Derek Adams as two of them.
Then they asked if he didn't fancy it and he replied "nah, you spend 9 or 10 hours on the motorway every Friday and Saturday ...... And that's just the local derbies

But it is true isn't it.....until Plymouth sort out an Airport.....which would mean they could then fly to away games as a essential part of saving wasted time and start to look more like a professional outfit again.

Hmm. How long does it take to get to Exeter airport from HP? An hour at most?

Chris.....That's too long isn't it.....an hour on the road before you start the main part of your journey......thinking small time.....but of course PAFC are good at that....lets hope they think big time today when hopefully we will be told the new managers name.

Even Bournemouth have Hurn Airport down the road.....and where I live Biggin Hill is trying to push the boundaries with Bromley Councll.....you've got to have a local Airport.....Plymouth has a quarter of a million inhabitants.....an hour up the road is not commercially viable for local industry or quick conections to the rest of the world.

Again its all very well opening an airport, but who is going to fly from there and which routes are viable.

zyph wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

Warnock, How can we entice good players or manager when this plonker say's this


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Neil was on this morning with Brazil and they asked him if Argyle had appointed anyone yet......
To which he replied no, they're interviewing 4 or 5 of the candidates in the papers this morning. Named Jones and Derek Adams as two of them.
Then they asked if he didn't fancy it and he replied "nah, you spend 9 or 10 hours on the motorway every Friday and Saturday ...... And that's just the local derbies

But it is true isn't it.....until Plymouth sort out an Airport.....which would mean they could then fly to away games as a essential part of saving wasted time and start to look more like a professional outfit again.

The location or travelling time hasn't stopped decent players coming down here in the past and if the money and circumstances are right, it won't stop them in future. Warnock should know that better than anyone-he brought enough players down here when he was manager and indeed left a club which had been promoted to the championship to come here. Very surprised at what he said- possibly it was tongue in cheek but whatever the intention, it boils down to a heap of nonsense, airport or not. Maybe the 20 year gap since he was here has increased his aversion to long distance trips.

ejh wrote:

Paven wrote:

Everyone has to start somewhere ffs

Good point, why not make you or I manager then? What has Nathan Jones actually done to prove he has what it takes to get Argyle up and firing? We would be hiring him in nothing but blind faith. How can JB realistically and honestly demand a top 3 position with a playoff budget from a gaffer who has never managed before? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

It blows my mind that fans want him over the likes of Derek Adams who got a club up two levels and consolidated at that level. But apparently he upset a few people along the way and would be bad news. Of course the likes of Clough, Fergie and Mourinho never had enemies, never contentiously got rid of players they didn't like the look of, never ruffled the feathers of their chairmen and board of directors.

At the end of the day it comes to this. Eddie Howe is the managerial flavour of the month, and everyone seems happy to settle for someone of a similar age, who is badged and licenced up, to come into Argyle and just do for us what Howe did at Bournemouth. And I'm really not sure it is going to be that simple.

Cut through the eddie howe image, and we seem to have our heart set on a rookie manager with barely any real knowledge of how to get out of League Two, no demonstrable experience of doing it with a similar club, no heaving book of contacts. But knows how to put the cones out for England U21s and take Brighton training sessions. Such a massive risk. If we have a promotion season under this rookie manager's debut season, I will be well and truly astounded. And wasn't that the whole point of ditching Shez?

Who ditched Shez?

zyph wrote:

Chris.....That's too long isn't it.....an hour on the road before you start the main part of your journey......thinking small time.....but of course PAFC are good at that....lets hope they think big time today when hopefully we will be told the new managers name.

Even Bournemouth have Hurn Airport down the road.....and where I live Biggin Hill is trying to push the boundaries with Bromley Councll.....you've got to have a local Airport.....Plymouth has a quarter of a million inhabitants.....an hour up the road is not commercially viable for local industry or quick conections to the rest of the world.

There's no shortage of millionaires and big time charlies in London - I bet you could drive to Exeter airport from Plymouth a lot quicker than you could get to Heathrow or Gatwick from central London.

ejh wrote:

[There's no shortage of millionaires and big time charlies in London - I bet you could drive to Exeter airport from Plymouth a lot quicker than you could get to Heathrow or Gatwick from central London.

Exactly - red herring.
So Adams has some fire in his belly and high standards. So does my boss ... and ..... ?

Hugh Watt wrote:

Again its all very well opening an airport, but who is going to fly from there and which routes are viable.

I understand your concerns....but in the meanwhile others are pulling themselves into the twenty first century.....if Plymouth is happy with a rail net work that can come to an halt so easily with a washed away track and puts up with poor road links and M-ways that others take for granted...then so be it.

This country is becoming so unbalanced.....I live in NW Kent and development is booming.....ok it's on the doorstep of London and everything is drawn to such a city I know......you catch a train to Victoria or Charing Cross and the tower cranes you see on the way up must run into hundreds.....it is drawing more and more people all the time......you can tell when work is bad down in Plymouth by the size of the PASALB membership.

The building of a new stand at PAFC is a case in question....a hundred bigger projects have been built around London in recent years.....the SW is a forgotten area and an Airport that functions is one of the building block required....plus road and rail upgrades.....someone with vision is required and it doesn't seem to be James Brent.......companies would relocate if the above facilities where in place......ok I'm an exile and I haven't been dragged down to expecting nothing new happening....so tell me to shut up if you want.

tigertony wrote:

ejh wrote:

[There's no shortage of millionaires and big time charlies in London - I bet you could drive to Exeter airport from Plymouth a lot quicker than you could get to Heathrow or Gatwick from central London.

Exactly - red herring.
So Adams has some fire in his belly and high standards. So does my boss ... and ..... ?  

The Gatwick Express is far quicker than Plymouth to Exeter.....and I would think the same possibly for Heathrow.

City Airport is in the Docklands area plus other small airfields around London......You can get to Gatwick and Heathrow quite quickly from NW Kent because we have good Motorways to use.

I still don't understand why people think that if Plymouth was to re-open the airport, there would be a queue of airlines that weren't interested before queuing up to fly from there. The Government pays Easyjet to operate routes in and out of Newquay. Exeter is a functioning airport and it was used by 750,000 punters lsat year making it the 24th busiest in the country, squeezed between the Isle of Man and Guernsey.

The success of an airport is a cycle based on how many airlines can they get to use it, the airlines want people to fly on their routes and the punters want an airport with a selection of airlines and routes. There is nothing to suggest that Plymouth can attract the airlines or punters to make it viable.