Zebroski Jailed

Apologies for taking this too far yesterday. It got me through an otherwise tense afternoon with regards to the team and the importance of yesterday's game.

I still have my own stance with how the situation could've been averted and later dealt with but no real interest with continuing this thread.

gasser9 wrote:

Hugh Watt wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

That's good to read Graiser.  It appears taking the piss out of physical disabilities is fair game for some on this thread.  Truly disappointing.

Albeit I accept it is mostly conjecture, it still stinks.

im pretty relaxed with theversion of events I have been given. It involves Wotton being a cnut, Because he is one.

You need to see a Psychiatrist because your obvious hatred for a man you have never met is not healthy.
Why do you hate him so much?

because he is one

It would be nice to think we could debate this emotive subject without having to insult each other.

Agreeing to disagree might be the way forward as well.

Frank Bullitt wrote:

It would be nice to think we could debate this emotive subject without having to insult each other.

Agreeing to disagree might be the way forward as well.

Quite correct, my dear old thing.

Let's hope he in the right place to receive the help he desperate needs.

gasser9 wrote:

Hugh Watt wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

That's good to read Graiser.  It appears taking the piss out of physical disabilities is fair game for some on this thread.  Truly disappointing.

Albeit I accept it is mostly conjecture, it still stinks.

im pretty relaxed with theversion of events I have been given. It involves Wotton being a cnut, Because he is one.

You need to see a Psychiatrist because your obvious hatred for a man you have never met is not healthy.
Why do you hate him so much?

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Frank Bullitt wrote:

It would be nice to think we could debate this emotive subject without having to insult each other.

Agreeing to disagree might be the way forward as well.

Having being called recently a 'dumb shit,' 'a moron', a fucktard and having my mental health questioned as above that would be a move forward. Obviously I take it all with a huge pinch of salt but agree we should all rise above it

Lols, I clearly can't help myself.

Meanwhile the bully embarks on a potential managerial career.

Even with hindsight Damon put himself above the parapet and labelled CZ as 'scum'.  That is what got my back up.  CZ certainly took a wrong turn after his career got destroyed and in all probability deserves to be where he is now.  Well done Damon and your peers, you clearly held special powers and predicted he was 'scum'.

While I'm at it, I'll retract my apology for bringing up your past.  Although less severe than others, you played your small part in the downfall of our club.  A few posts on a forum wont change that and your posts within this thread, defending you & your peers actions, simply confirm suits stand together. Club captain V apprentice with little value, no brainer who was gonna win!

Tgwu wrote:

Let's hope he in the right place to receive the help he desperate needs.

Yep - absolutely.

Let's also not forget Damon was involved in those contingency talks with webby, noolie and Brent. He used to be friends with stapleton too. Seems to change his colours all to easily, stop doffing your cap ATD

This is almost a textbook example of the effects of a minor problem becoming bloody massive.

It has been stated that Zebroski has a speech impediment. Many years ago I studied for three years with a bunch of students one of whom, brilliant though he was with top marks in all of his assignments, I never once heard speak. I don't think I even ever saw his face full on. He had longish hair and used to sit with his head bowed so that his hair shielded his possibilities of interaction. He had a speech impediment which had led to him being pathologically shy. It might seem a bit strong to say that a speech impediment is a disability but the effects of it on him were socially crippling.

It sounds as though CZ was similar and his speech impediment must have been a constant source of stress and stress lies at the heart of many types of mental illness and being excessively shy adds another layer to the problems caused by his speech impediment.

Factor in after that a career as a footballer. He probably didn't get paid millions but he was probably doing OK. He could probably easily afford a beer or two. Maybe the buzz of intoxication made him feel briefly better, maybe he just drank himself unconscious. No matter either way with too much self-medication he has ended up an alcoholic. This adds another layer to the problems he has had to deal with.

I offer no comment on the rights or wrongs of any of the incidents that he has been involved in other than to suggest that they fit into the general spiral of decline and each and every one of them has again created yet more problems for what is obviously a deeply troubled young man.

None of that will be of much interest to his victims. It's hard to empathise with somebody who has just violently attacked you and most people wouldn't even bother to try to and Zebroski's various crimes might well have induced phobias or a form of post-traumatic stress disorder in some or all of his victims making the spiral potentially contagious.

It couldn't be clearer to me that Zebroski desperately needs professional help and has done so for a very long time and I shudder to think of what a spell in chokey might do to him because I can't imagine that it is the most forgiving of environments.

And the brutal truth is that Zebroski will eventually leave prison still with a speech impediment, still terribly shy, still not inter-acting socially in a normal way, still an alcoholic but this time also as a newly-released ex-convict guilty of a widely publicised crime which, thanks to having a very unusual surname, he will never be able to escape.

I very much fear that this sad tale still has some way to run.

I looked a what was out there yesterday and Tbh we missed a Paul Wotton. Still doesn't change things.

Hugh Watt wrote:

I looked a what was out there yesterday and Tbh we missed a Paul Wotton. Still doesn't change things.

He is a cnut but a useful one in holding things togethter cnut.

Hugh Watt wrote:

gasser9 wrote:

Hugh Watt wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

That's good to read Graiser.  It appears taking the piss out of physical disabilities is fair game for some on this thread.  Truly disappointing.

Albeit I accept it is mostly conjecture, it still stinks.

im pretty relaxed with theversion of events I have been given. It involves Wotton being a cnut, Because he is one.

You need to see a Psychiatrist because your obvious hatred for a man you have never met is not healthy.
Why do you hate him so much?

What a ridiculous thing to say.

My thoughts exactly.
You've called him a cnut, a slimy toad who bullies the youngsters.
From what I know when Wotton takes the youth team he is strict (Not bullying) but offers lots and lots of encouragement as he tries to make them into professionals. A world away from the image that you try and portray but hey why try and get a bit of sanity in the way of your arguments.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

It has been stated that Zebroski has a speech impediment. Many years ago I studied for three years with a bunch of students one of whom, brilliant though he was with top marks in all of his assignments, I never once heard speak. I don't think I even ever saw his face full on. He had longish hair and used to sit with his head bowed so that his hair shielded his possibilities of interaction. He had a speech impediment which had led to him being pathologically shy. It might seem a bit strong to say that a speech impediment is a disability but the effects of it on him were socially crippling.

If you never once heard him speak, how do you know he had a speech impediment?

He was grouped with me and a few others in a team exercise that involved making a presentation. He was excused from it and given a replacement task; we queried why because it was very unusual and that's what we were told by way of explanation.

Hugh Watt wrote:

Let's also not forget Damon was involved in those contingency talks with webby, noolie and Brent. He used to be friends with stapleton too. Seems to change his colours all to easily, stop doffing your cap ATD

You're a horrible toad aren't you?

That is two of you now bringing up totally unrelated history to try and attack Damon, purely because he refuses to roll over and be corrected on how an incident happened by a set of people who weren't there.

You stay classy ATD!

Coxside_Green wrote:

Lols, I clearly can't help myself.

Meanwhile the bully embarks on a potential managerial career.

Even with hindsight Damon put himself above the parapet and labelled CZ as 'scum'.  That is what got my back up.  CZ certainly took a wrong turn after his career got destroyed and in all probability deserves to be where he is now.  Well done Damon and your peers, you clearly held special powers and predicted he was 'scum'.

While I'm at it, I'll retract my apology for bringing up your past.  Although less severe than others, you played your small part in the downfall of our club.  A few posts on a forum wont change that and your posts within this thread, defending you & your peers actions, simply confirm suits stand together.  Club captain V apprentice with little value, no brainer who was gonna win!

Let's also not forget Damon was involved in those contingency talks with webby, noolie and Brent. He used to be friends with stapleton too. Seems to change his colours all to easily, stop doffing your cap ATD

I thought I had bowed out of this in a kind of you have your view, I have mine kind of way 'but every time I think I'm out, they drag me back in!'

Nobody predicted CZ would turn out the way he did. He viciously attacked a fellow member of staff and was sacked at a disciplinary hearing. The club paid for him to have psychological help and found him somewhere else to train. I believe most right minded people would consider that what he has done since, a convicted wife beater, robber and someone who beats people up because he can as scum. He is where he belongs to be.

Now for some of the other shite you sprout CG.  I left before Holloway left, I left before Kagami & Synan had ever heard of Plymouth and before Gardner and Todd had stepped foot in the club.  I left the club in a better position financially and on the pitch than it had been. Was it an error to back the purchase of the ground from the Council? Possibly - ownership of the property was the attraction to the sharks but at the same time was the reason the club survived. Other than that I think my time at the club stands any analysis.

Yes I was involved in the contingency talks. I was under the skin of Ridsdale and of Guilfoyle questioning their every move. I challenged their shyster of a lawyer. I further questioned Brent's ability to take the club forward and I introduced a potential buyer who was forced out of the running by Webb and still have the emails some of which I have subsequently shown to people who were on the Board of the Trust at the time and kept out of the loop by Webb.

I have never been nor wanted to be 'mates' with Brent, Newell, Webb or Ridsdale. I worked with Stapleton, Dennerley (rest his soul) Wrathall, Gill and Warren. I haven't spoken to any of them more than half a dozen times in the 8 years since I left. I spoke out against Tony rejoining the Board. If there is one thing you are most wrong about it is that I change my colours. I am a stubborn SOB and I know who my friends are and they certainly not nor ever have been any of the above named.

Just because people may agree with me doesn't mean they are doffing a cap - they just look at both sides of an argument and have a different opinion to you.

Finally the odd occassion I can get to a game these days I sit in the Devonport and don't wear a 'suit'. You really seem to have a problem with that particular form of attire.

Fair answer, Damon. I'll leave it at that.

I appreciate that cnut is almost a compliment on here but it still does nobody any favours when it is bandied about to describe a member of the club's playing or coaching staff.

ejh wrote:

Hugh Watt wrote:

Let's also not forget Damon was involved in those contingency talks with webby, noolie and Brent. He used to be friends with stapleton too. Seems to change his colours all to easily, stop doffing your cap ATD

You're a horrible toad aren't you?

That is two of you now bringing up totally unrelated history to try and attack Damon, purely because he refuses to roll over and be corrected on how an incident happened by a set of people who weren't there.

You stay classy ATD!

And you are a sanctimonious prick.

If this thread is going to decend into a name calling bitchfest it will be locked.

may aswell lock it now i think the issue has been discussed enough.

Lock it, has gone on too long and lost it's way.

Why lock it? It'll die when it dies, this isn't pasoti.