Warning: Weasel outbreak in Plymouth

Farage and his cronies down in Plymouth this weekend.

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Can't wait until they win two seats and the party dies out completely.

I be there.

I'll be there hopefully, can't wait.

You'll fel at home Josh, there will be a lot of other Tories there as well.

Blimey there's no way I'm a Tory, it's all about the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition

By that I take it you consider that the leaders of the legacy parties are not weasels then Josh ?

Josh Pope wrote:

Blimey there's no way I'm a Tory, it's all about the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition

New Labour, new Tory.

Anyway if you want to get involved with politics then why don't you go and demonstrate about the NHS being run down so it can be privatised? Campaign for the living wage, Or the Euro gravy train that will cost us anywhere between 10 and 20 billion to belong to next year, pick your battles don't pin your colours to any of the main parties masts, they don't represent you, me or anybody else.

You could have a talk with Lee Jameson..... he knows a lot about socialism and politics....and trying to get elected to parliament........

zyph wrote:

You could have a talk with Lee Jameson..... he knows a lot about socialism and politics....and trying to get elected to parliament........

And being a slimball too

To get into the corridoors of power you need to mould yourself into a certain form, speak their language and act in the uniform way, not rock the boat and above all toe that party line. Easy when you know how and are unfettered by principles.

Iggy wrote:

Anyway if you want to get involved with politics then why don't you go and demonstrate about the NHS being run down so it can be privatised? Campaign for the living wage, Or the Euro gravy train that will cost us anywhere between 10 and 20 billion to belong to next year, pick your battles don't pin your colours to any of the main parties masts, they don't represent you, me or anybody else.

There's much of this I can relate to. Our politicians are a very sorry, mediocre bunch with the parties they represent not much better.

For a start there's David Cameron. He's proven to be be our most disastrously right-wing PM ever and despite getting nearly everything wrong from promising an EU referendum and then not holding one, thinking austerity is a good idea to failing to implement his austerity programme effectively, to wider economic policies that have seen barely any poitive growth since he was elected, to a chancellor who is cutting the deficict by borrowing more in total than every single Labour chancellor ever combined, to tripling tuition fees for students, to a top down re-organisation of the NHS despite there being a manifesto commitment to do no such thing, to the stealth privatisation of the NHS, to cuts to public services, to breech of contactually agreed pension arrangements, to public sector pay freezes, a war on "welfare" that isn't necessary, fair or intelligently approached, to being in the pocket of the Murdoch press, to employing a criminal at the very heart of government, to explicitly promising to cut immigration but completely failing to do so, to failing to hit the tax dodging bastards that coincidentally seem to be funding his party, to the most incompetent bunch of cabinet ministers that have ever held office: Gove, Hunt, IDS, Osborne - what a feckin shower of shit they all are... If somebody wanted to create the epitome of the man promoted way beyond his abiity simply because of the old boy network and who quite simply has no understanding at all of everyday life as lived by most of us they couldn't do better - and not even his own bitterly divided party, or the usually gimply loyal bootboys in the press, likes him very much.

Nick Clegg. Where do you start? It has to be tuition fees. After that he has nowhere to go because nothing he ever says in the future will have any credibility at all. For the sake of 5 years of propping up the disastrous Tories Clegg has set his party back decades and it might never recover. The Coalition Agreement was a suicide note for the LDs. They are finished and not just this time but probably permanently. Move along: there's nothing of value to see here other than the metaphorical whisky bottle and pearl-handled revolver along with a map indicating where the nearest woods are and a long, slow walk.

Ed Milliband. The man who will never shake off the fact that he isn't his brother, who has not stood up to defend the record of the previous Labour governments of which he was a key part and who just doesn't seem to speak human at all no matter how hard he tries. To top it all after years of being, rightly, critical of austerity (which is absolutely dreadful economics from top to bottom) he then pledges to follow this government's disastrous spending plans and shies away from the seriously populist policies like taking the railways back into public ownership and righting the wrong of university student funding (initially implemented by his party, of course).

Nigel Farage. The man is a joke. Completely incoherent policies decided on a knee-jerk reflex to whatever the current fad in quasi-fascist thinking might be masquerading as a man of the people when he is every bit as priviliged as Cameron in background and would introduce policies that take nearly every workplace right away from the working person, introduce tax cuts for the wealthy at the expense of those less well off, trample all over our human rights in the name of cutting red tape, devastate public services even more that the extremist Cameron could ever dream of, create social division within this country and economic division beyond it - all whilst collapsing the economy by withdrawing from EU in a move that addresses completely the wrong factors head-on rather like a couple of knuckle-headed idiots playing chicken whilst doing 100 mph along a road too narrow to allow them to pass each other.

Natalie Bennett. Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Nobody even expects the Greens to be coherently joined-up beyond Save The Whale, Ban The Bomb, Nuclear Power No Thanks etc and as such they are happy to support the Greens because they are essentially a pressure group and not a political party. Their core purpose is to Save The World and be generally nice to each other so what is there not to like? Well there's the leader who seems to be staggeringly incompetent and who has scuppered their credibility all on her own. And she's Australian.

Nicola Sturgeon. There always something of wee Jimmy Krankie that comes to mind whenever I see her and that can't be good. I don't know much about their policies to be honest and the ones I am aware of seem to be OK but it all comes at the cost of breaking the UK up and apart from being practically impossible the consequences of it happening if it did would be wholly unpredictable. Oh yeah! And it was the SNP (a.k.a "The Tartan Tories") who turned against the Labour government at the time causing it to collapse and be replaced by Thatcher's band of sociopathic hoolies, economic illiterates and pederasts who gleefully inflicted such willful damage onto this country that it will probably never recover.

And they wonder why people have become disengaged with politics.

Well said.

I was wondering if I was being a bit too harsh?

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I was wondering if I was being a bit too harsh?

I think to be fair Natalie Bennetts only crime was to try and answer a question. The mainstream press never have a go at Cameron on how hes costed these tax cuts im supposedly looking forward to.

Hugh Watt wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I was wondering if I was being a bit too harsh?

I think to be fair Natalie Bennetts only crime was to try and answer a question. The mainstream press never have a go at Cameron on how hes costed these tax cuts im supposedly looking forward to.

They cost nothing, give with one hand and sneakily take away with the other.

What like when they said by increasing the tax allowance they would make the lowest paid better off. Then they removed the tax credits

Zackly.

In 1977/78 VAT was introduced at 8%. (James Callaghan was PM)
In 1979/80 it was incresed to 15%. (Margaret Thatcher was PM)
In 1991/92 it was increased to 17.5%. (John Major was PM)
In In 2010/11 it was increased to 20%. (David Cameron was PM)

Each of the last 3 Tory PMs has increased VAT.

How can they possibly claim to be the party of low taxation?

I'm happy to wager here and now that VAT increases will be in no election manifesto for the forthcoming election but, if Cameron is PM afterwards, it will be increased to 25%.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

In 1977/78 VAT was introduced at 8%. (James Callaghan was PM)
In 1979/80 it was incresed to 15%. (Margaret Thatcher was PM)
In 1991/92 it was increased to 17.5%. (John Major was PM)
In In 2010/11 it was increased to 20%. (David Cameron was PM)

Each of the last 3 Tory PMs has increased VAT.

How can they possibly claim to be the party of low taxation?

I'm happy to wager here and now that VAT increases will be in no election manifesto for the forthcoming election but, if Cameron is PM afterwards, it will be increased to 25%.

Also funny how they deliberately targeted things that the poor might like. Static Caravans, pasties.

Feckin vat is a killer and paid by the lowest earners.

A further increase in VAT would absolutely cripple an economy still on its knees after the Banker's crash. All this talk of a recovery is total bollocks.
Our 20% VAT rate is about average amongst others in the EU, the same as France & 1% more than Germany so can't really see what would be gained by increasing it.

Josh Pope wrote:

Farage and his cronies down in Plymouth this weekend.

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Can't wait until they win two seats and the party dies out completely.

Heh heh, the ramblings of the idiot lefty.

Plymouth Moor View is a top top Kipper target, local polling has the Kip neck and neck there and in other parts of the Westcountry like Camborne and St.Austell.

Please feel free to turn up with your little mates in Unite Against Free speech and cause as much trouble as you can, the publicity could easily tip a half a dozen Westcountry seats into the Kip fold.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Josh Pope wrote:

Farage and his cronies down in Plymouth this weekend.

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Can't wait until they win two seats and the party dies out completely.

Heh heh, the ramblings of the idiot lefty.

Plymouth Moor View is a top top Kipper target, local polling has the Kip neck and neck there and in other parts of the Westcountry like Camborne and St.Austell.

Please feel free to turn up with your little mates in Unite Against Free speech and cause as much trouble as you can, the publicity could easily tip a half a dozen Westcountry seats into the Kip fold.

You've confirmed your status as complete moron if you think UKIP are going to win more than a very small handful of seats.

FYI I'm not left wing at all so though I enjoy your patronising comments, you're wrong. So if you want to be quiet, it would be much appreciated.

Josh Pope wrote:

Blimey there's no way I'm a Tory, it's all about the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition