Right thats it- STOP

Peggy wrote:

One thing, though. I still think the person who started all this in the first place should own up and apologise. You were brave enough to do it, now be brave enough to admit it.

No chance he will.

ok .. it was me

Thank you.

Previously all I have ever been is a casual visitor to PASOTI. Never joined and never wanted to or post there. I have avoided the threads that have been clear toy throwing and concentrated on picking up a bit of Argyle news worth having. I have no idea about who has done what to whom except what I have read recently. The one thing that comes across on PASOTI from a casual visitor's perspective is that there is an overwhelming lot of agreement on almost everything therefore little in the way of actual debate. This is led clearly by certain posters whose backs are then royally slapped metaphorically speaking. Since joining ATD it is also clear that this site contains a number of less than enamoured posters with the Argyle saga. Almost the anti-Christ is some ways but it is also clear that you can disagree without being pilloried. Some sarcasm perhaps but that goes down as banter in my book rather than mallicious.

The one person who started all of this last night was none other than the Club President himself with his Chamberlainesk attempts at detente. However, not to expect some reasonable questioning or indeed not to have asked the opposition the same thing at the same time was a big mistake. Once it was clear that all was not suddenly going to be peace in our time his stance changed dramatically and it is this issue that has stuck with me. This is supposed to be my Club President who has always maintained he will be his own man and be the voice of me the supporter. You absolutely cannot claim to be the Rep of supporters when you show such clear bias in favour of your own select cronnies. The President tag comes with a responsibility and the job should be undertaken with dignity and even handedness. He should be the go between mouthpiece for both sides and detatch himself from any favoured contact with either. It's a lonely place at times but if you accept the title then you should accept the job description that accompanies it. I really now wonder if he is indeed the right man for the job and it now makes me extremely sceptical regarding some possible goings on prior to Argyle getting out of Administration. Whether peace breaks out between the two sides or not is of no interest to me but who represents my football club is and this one will not go away in my mind irrespective of the outcome between the two.

Hi all just wanted to say that I came across this site being a casual reader of most of the forums since the demise of the BBC 606 site (I was lyndhurst daz for those I now see on here from that site) and after seeing it mentioned on pasoti, and expecting.....well I don't really know after reading the less than favourable references to it. From a strictly outsider point of view I think most forums tend to be "controlled" by the regular posters as they are just that regular posters and if you say something enough times in becomes truth.....so to speak. Anyway from what I have read on here it doesn't seem to have that problem yet so I hope it can stay that way and I do indeed look forward to some lively debate on all things Argyle here.

Daz Evans wrote:

I think most forums tend to be "controlled" by the regular posters as they are just that regular posters and if you say something enough times it becomes truth.....so to speak.

That's how community works everywhere, even scientists fall for it.
Welcome Daz, ALL opinons welcomed and allowed air.

dane_b wrote:

ok .. it was me

Good man.

dane_b wrote:

ok .. it was me

Thank you Dane. Now lets get on with being democratic and talking Argyle. Mods can delete my e-mail hacking post if you like, I have no way of proving who did it, and I'm not going to get any type of response from a Pasoti mod. I was naive in not knowing my e-mail address was public, I'm not really a computery person, hence the trouble I had with copying the e-mail etc. I won't be referring to it again, unless someone really rattles my cage.

Welcome Lyndhurst Daz, or just Daz. There are now a few old 606ers on here, and please don't think that yesterday was a normal day on ATD. I will hold my hand up and apologise for some of my actions, and I will e-mail the Pasoti mods to apologise for the abusive e-mails I have sent since I was banned.

greenjock wrote:

dane_b wrote:

ok .. it was me

Thank you Dane. Now lets get on with being democratic and talking Argyle. Mods can delete my e-mail hacking post if you like, I have no way of proving who did it, and I'm not going to get any type of response from a Pasoti mod. I was naive in not knowing my e-mail address was public, I'm not really a computery person, hence the trouble I had with copying the e-mail etc. I won't be referring to it again, unless someone really rattles my cage.

Welcome Lyndhurst Daz, or just Daz. There are now a few old 606ers on here, and please don't think that yesterday was a normal day on ATD. I will hold my hand up and apologise for some of my actions, and I will e-mail the Pasoti mods to apologise for the abusive e-mails I have sent since I was banned.

I still think your a little bit crazy

dane_b wrote:

greenjock wrote:

dane_b wrote:

ok .. it was me

Thank you Dane. Now lets get on with being democratic and talking Argyle. Mods can delete my e-mail hacking post if you like, I have no way of proving who did it, and I'm not going to get any type of response from a Pasoti mod. I was naive in not knowing my e-mail address was public, I'm not really a computery person, hence the trouble I had with copying the e-mail etc. I won't be referring to it again, unless someone really rattles my cage.

Welcome Lyndhurst Daz, or just Daz. There are now a few old 606ers on here, and please don't think that yesterday was a normal day on ATD. I will hold my hand up and apologise for some of my actions, and I will e-mail the Pasoti mods to apologise for the abusive e-mails I have sent since I was banned.

I still think your a little bit crazy

I am

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

Previously all I have ever been is a casual visitor to PASOTI. Never joined and never wanted to or post there. I have avoided the threads that have been clear toy throwing and concentrated on picking up a bit of Argyle news worth having. I have no idea about who has done what to whom except what I have read recently. The one thing that comes across on PASOTI from a casual visitor's perspective is that there is an overwhelming lot of agreement on almost everything therefore little in the way of actual debate. This is led clearly by certain posters whose backs are then royally slapped metaphorically speaking. Since joining ATD it is also clear that this site contains a number of less than enamoured posters with the Argyle saga. Almost the anti-Christ is some ways but it is also clear that you can disagree without being pilloried. Some sarcasm perhaps but that goes down as banter in my book rather than mallicious.

The one person who started all of this last night was none other than the Club President himself with his Chamberlainesk attempts at detente. However, not to expect some reasonable questioning or indeed not to have asked the opposition the same thing at the same time was a big mistake. Once it was clear that all was not suddenly going to be peace in our time his stance changed dramatically and it is this issue that has stuck with me. This is supposed to be my Club President who has always maintained he will be his own man and be the voice of me the supporter. You absolutely cannot claim to be the Rep of supporters when you show such clear bias in favour of your own select cronnies. The President tag comes with a responsibility and the job should be undertaken with dignity and even handedness. He should be the go between mouthpiece for both sides and detatch himself from any favoured contact with either. It's a lonely place at times but if you accept the title then you should accept the job description that accompanies it. I really now wonder if he is indeed the right man for the job and it now makes me extremely sceptical regarding some possible goings on prior to Argyle getting out of Administration. Whether peace breaks out between the two sides or not is of no interest to me but who represents my football club is and this one will not go away in my mind irrespective of the outcome between the two.

Dare you to post that on Pasoti.

The difference between the two forums is that ATD accepts ALL viewpoints , whereas Pasoti will not.

The main reason for the existence of this forum at all, is because the self perpetuating, unelected Pasoti admin, have driven out so many articulate and visionary fans over the last few years.
Unless you attend every game possible and agree with the lords of the manor, you are out !

Anyone can post here. Many of us are denied that freedom on Pasoti. I was banned for [quote Newell] 'saying the same thing over and over again'. Guess what this one trick pony was saying ? DON'T TRUST IN STAPES !!!!!! You couldn't make it up !

This forum will continue to grow in content, popularity and influence because of the democratic freedoms it will always offer.
No closed shop admin.
No 'it's my way or the highway'.

Great stuff Dane and Jock. Two good posts from REAL ATDers standing up for themselves.
As we all know, all folk have ever wanted is a fair shake while giving of their opinions.
I'll have a look this afternoon Jock regarding your hacking email posts, but I can't think there's much to delete.

If it's any consolation, my Pasoti account was hacked twice a long time ago, and my email account once, although not necessarily connected. I never found out who, but changed my online animal behaviour, whilst keeping my Argyle posts consistent.
There's a lot of it out there, hacking that is, and it just goes to show that Ian Newell's gratuitous campaign to cajole posters on Pasoti to use their REAL names was hugely misplaced. He certainly didn't like it when the REAL world visited him supposedly. I'm a big fan of internet privacy, he patently is not.

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

Previously all I have ever been is a casual visitor to PASOTI. Never joined and never wanted to or post there. I have avoided the threads that have been clear toy throwing and concentrated on picking up a bit of Argyle news worth having. I have no idea about who has done what to whom except what I have read recently. The one thing that comes across on PASOTI from a casual visitor's perspective is that there is an overwhelming lot of agreement on almost everything therefore little in the way of actual debate. This is led clearly by certain posters whose backs are then royally slapped metaphorically speaking. Since joining ATD it is also clear that this site contains a number of less than enamoured posters with the Argyle saga. Almost the anti-Christ is some ways but it is also clear that you can disagree without being pilloried. Some sarcasm perhaps but that goes down as banter in my book rather than mallicious.

The one person who started all of this last night was none other than the Club President himself with his Chamberlainesk attempts at detente. However, not to expect some reasonable questioning or indeed not to have asked the opposition the same thing at the same time was a big mistake. Once it was clear that all was not suddenly going to be peace in our time his stance changed dramatically and it is this issue that has stuck with me. This is supposed to be my Club President who has always maintained he will be his own man and be the voice of me the supporter. You absolutely cannot claim to be the Rep of supporters when you show such clear bias in favour of your own select cronnies. The President tag comes with a responsibility and the job should be undertaken with dignity and even handedness. He should be the go between mouthpiece for both sides and detatch himself from any favoured contact with either. It's a lonely place at times but if you accept the title then you should accept the job description that accompanies it. I really now wonder if he is indeed the right man for the job and it now makes me extremely sceptical regarding some possible goings on prior to Argyle getting out of Administration. Whether peace breaks out between the two sides or not is of no interest to me but who represents my football club is and this one will not go away in my mind irrespective of the outcome between the two.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of typing out all my thoughts SG, you've done it for me. I was absolutely astounded to read Chris Webb's post on Pasoti right at the start of that thread that Cerbs started. In the context of what he had posted on here he had the opportunity to enhance his desired peace process but instead was the catalyst for all that followed. In amongst all the nastiness (from all sides) there was an excellent concilatory post from the mod, Millbridgemike, most people probably didn't even know he was a mod as he quietly goes about that job. I was very disappointed to see it had been removed in the ethnic cleansing that went on overnight. I guess it was because he made the mildest of observations that when looking on here to see what all the fuss was about he noticed we had a link to Pasoti and wondered why they couldn't reciprocate.

I can't put this on PASOTI because as said I am not a member and never have been. I couldn't care less however if this was put on there or not and I stand by my conviction that this whole sorry saga has called into question the integrity of the post of President or more so the person holding that post. I could care even less for the views of PASOTI members although anyone of them can feel free to disagree or agree if they wished. I'm a big boy now and don't make posts on threads that I don't believe in when it comes to the Club itself.

It is easy for people to say that he was somebody who gave a lot of time and effort to the club, yes maybe on my behalf also, during the Administration. I absolutely agree with that and applaud him for his efforts as well as the fundraising on PASOTI. They then follow that up with the usual if you could do better then put yourself forward as if that excuses him now. The reason I was not involved last year was because my wife and I helped nurse my Mother through her terminal cancer and that took all of my time pretty much. However, I did what I could in finance terms via the bucket collections. Having said that I am not the type to push myself forward into the limelight publicly either so would not have been able to do what he did anyway. But there is a time and a place for all people as a certain Mr Churchill found at the first election post WWII. The reward for the time and effort put in was a crack at the post he now holds. No problem in him getting the post as a reward but if you accept it then you must accept all that goes with it. If it is shown you cannot then you should bow out and let somebody else do the job who is capable and represents the broad spectrum of supporters rather than protect and back up the few who circulate around your court. His original post here compared to the second post on PASOTI shows starkly that he cannot.

Maybe Millbridge Mike was the 'one', in the 8 - 1 refusal bY the Pasoti mods to wipe the slate clean. I did try.

Because of the way they run that place there will never be peace and they deserve all the criticism they get because their leaders supposedly represent ALL fans.

It really is Animal Farm down there, complete with Napoleon, Squealer etc.

A few cracking post on here!

What a great bunch there are on this site now, the past 24 hours have proved that and I don't think there was hardly a foot put wrong by the members on here, and full respect to Dane for owning up to his little escapade. As far as I am aware only one post was removed from ATD over the past 24 hours and that was a favour to a Pasoti moderator (Oh the irony!). On Pasoti a complete thread of many pages had to be removed and thoroughly edited before it could be allowed back into public viewing. I think that alone tells its own story.

When such a large number come together with such differing views and personalities, there's a huge unwritten statement being made. One or two have ignored that statement and ridiculed it and that is now coming home to roost.

I do not want to see the context of this site change, it must remain outspoken and critical when required and if one or two cannot hack that they should question if they are suitable for a role in the limelight, I would suggest that those concerned are not!

I think there should only ever be one voice that is representative of the fans and that role should be held by a democratically elected Fans Trust. It should be a Trust that we can give praise to as well as a Trust that we can be critical of without fear of reprisals, intimidation, gossip, slur campaigns, name calling and innuendo. From what I have read from those now involved with the Trust it is well on the way to achieving that and I've been impressed with those that have posted on ATD for the information provided, as well as the tone of their comments.

GOB wrote:

A few cracking post on here!

What a great bunch there are on this site now, the past 24 hours have proved that and I don't think there was hardly a foot put wrong by the members on here, and full respect to Dane for owning up to his little escapade. As far as I am aware only one post was removed from ATD over the past 24 hours and that was a favour to a Pasoti moderator (Oh the irony!). On Pasoti a complete thread of many pages had to be removed and thoroughly edited before it could be allowed back into public viewing. I think that alone tells its own story.

When such a large number come together with such differing views and personalities, there's a huge unwritten statement being made. One or two have ignored that statement and ridiculed it and that is now coming home to roost.

I do not want to see the context of this site change, it must remain outspoken and critical when required and if one or two cannot hack that they should question if they are suitable for a role in the limelight, I would suggest that those concerned are not!

I think there should only ever be one voice that is representative of the fans and that role should be held by a democratically elected Fans Trust. It should be a Trust that we can give praise to as well as a Trust that we can be critical of without fear of reprisals, intimidation, gossip, slur campaigns, name calling and innuendo. From what I have read from those now involved with the Trust it is well on the way to achieving that and I've been impressed with those that have posted on ATD for the information provided, as well as the tone of their comments.

The past 24 hours has certainly done ATD no harm despite what some over there say about it, ironically then admitting to never posted/visited here!

I'm happy I chose to post here, i'm sure I will post absolute crap and may well annoy people but the difference being I can do so here safe in the knowledge I won't be abused, ridiculed or banned ;-)

Just a shame certain people see us as the enemy rather than just another group of supporters.

Agree with you GOB.

The thread over there was deliberately sabotaged by a certain person in my opinion because it was doing Pasoti no favours. All through the slurs and snide posts I tried to a) defend my stance and b) keep the thread on topic.

I have no agenda with Pasoti. I've never really liked the clique over there, but until I discovered here there was no alternative. One thing I was amazed at was the number of posters over there that didn't know about here. I was also amazed at Daz (the mod) suggesting that there were no threads or posts over there slagging ATD off. Hardly surprising when every time ATD was mentioned it was censored!

Am I sorry I put the cat among the pigeons last night? Not a bit. Am I a loose cannon? Not a bit.

Yea Man wrote:

GOB wrote:

A few cracking post on here!

What a great bunch there are on this site now, the past 24 hours have proved that and I don't think there was hardly a foot put wrong by the members on here, and full respect to Dane for owning up to his little escapade. As far as I am aware only one post was removed from ATD over the past 24 hours and that was a favour to a Pasoti moderator (Oh the irony!). On Pasoti a complete thread of many pages had to be removed and thoroughly edited before it could be allowed back into public viewing. I think that alone tells its own story.

When such a large number come together with such differing views and personalities, there's a huge unwritten statement being made. One or two have ignored that statement and ridiculed it and that is now coming home to roost.

I do not want to see the context of this site change, it must remain outspoken and critical when required and if one or two cannot hack that they should question if they are suitable for a role in the limelight, I would suggest that those concerned are not!

I think there should only ever be one voice that is representative of the fans and that role should be held by a democratically elected Fans Trust. It should be a Trust that we can give praise to as well as a Trust that we can be critical of without fear of reprisals, intimidation, gossip, slur campaigns, name calling and innuendo. From what I have read from those now involved with the Trust it is well on the way to achieving that and I've been impressed with those that have posted on ATD for the information provided, as well as the tone of their comments.

The past 24 hours has certainly done ATD no harm despite what some over there say about it, ironically then admitting to never posted/visited here!

I'm happy I chose to post here, i'm sure I will post absolute crap and may well annoy people but the difference being I can do so here safe in the knowledge I won't be abused, ridiculed or banned ;-)

Just a shame certain people see us as the enemy rather than just another group of supporters.

That bit highlighted FM is the fundamental reason why this site exist and will continue to exist.

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Not a bit. Am I a loose cannon? Not a bit.

Hmmm i am !!!

Cerbera wrote:

Agree with you GOB.

The thread over there was deliberately sabotaged by a certain person in my opinion because it was doing Pasoti no favours. All through the slurs and snide posts I tried to a) defend my stance and b) keep the thread on topic.

I have no agenda with Pasoti. I've never really liked the clique over there, but until I discovered here there was no alternative. One thing I was amazed at was the number of posters over there that didn't know about here. I was also amazed at Daz (the mod) suggesting that there were no threads or posts over there slagging ATD off. Hardly surprising when every time ATD was mentioned it was censored!

Am I sorry I put the cat among the pigeons last night? Not a bit. Am I a loose cannon? Not a bit.

Too right you shouldn't be sorry Cerbera, you were 100% right to do what you done.

I was going to pm you a couple of days ago when after reading a few of your post, I realised that you were desperately trying to make your point on Pasoti and on ATD and I totally understood the frustration that you felt. If it's any consolation and if you ask any of the old timers on here, they'll all tell you that they have been down that same path and have long since given up, hence ATD.

You'll soon get used to it, just sit back and allow the same one or two individuals to make of themselves.

I post on both sites and must say on here its more open and I feel free to say what i like. On pasoti its not so free and easy.

IMHO if the mods/clique on pasoti feel you have made a comment that they dont agree with you are victimised or made to feel un welcome. Just look at how esmer and mariner have been treated.

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IJN: Esmer are you ridsdale

Esmer: NO Iam Not

IJN : where are posting from your ip address is not from plymouth is it maybe from yorkshire ???

IJN then steps back and as Monty would say smithers release the hounds. Everyone jumps in and has a real go nice bit of cyber bullying. I have noticed that this seems to happen alot. Moderators on both sites should be whiter than white but that doesnt happen on pasoti

As said before people on ATD seem to have come out of this very well people on pasoti should step back have a look at what they have said and done. But agree with others lets stop now with all this fighting, lifes to short

lawnmowerman wrote:

I post on both sites and must say on here its more open and I feel free to say what i like. On pasoti its not so free and easy.

IMHO if the mods/clique on pasoti feel you have made a comment that they dont agree with you are victimised or made to feel un welcome. Just look at how esmer and mariner have been treated.

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IJN: Esmer are you ridsdale

Esmer: NO Iam Not

IJN : where are posting from your ip address is not from plymouth is it maybe from yorkshire ???

IJN then steps back and as Monty would say smithers release the hounds. Everyone jumps in and has a real go nice bit of cyber bullying. I have noticed that this seems to happen alot. Moderators on both sites should be whiter than white but that doesnt happen on pasoti

As said before people on ATD seem to have come out of this very well people on pasoti should step back have a look at what they have said and done. But agree with others lets stop now with all this fighting, lifes to short

Agreed, to an extent. However, if no one challenges the behaviour of our self appointed superfans and reps., they will continue to abuse their position of being beyond reproach.
Add to that the obvious fact that they are far too small minded and parochial to make effective leaders, and the club we all want to succeed is in the wrong hands.
Remember 'Trust in Stapes ' and anyone else in a suit, with influence and half praaaaper diction ?

Tringreen wrote:

lawnmowerman wrote:

I post on both sites and must say on here its more open and I feel free to say what i like. On pasoti its not so free and easy.

IMHO if the mods/clique on pasoti feel you have made a comment that they dont agree with you are victimised or made to feel un welcome. Just look at how esmer and mariner have been treated.

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IJN: Esmer are you ridsdale

Esmer: NO Iam Not

IJN : where are posting from your ip address is not from plymouth is it maybe from yorkshire ???

IJN then steps back and as Monty would say smithers release the hounds. Everyone jumps in and has a real go nice bit of cyber bullying. I have noticed that this seems to happen alot. Moderators on both sites should be whiter than white but that doesnt happen on pasoti

As said before people on ATD seem to have come out of this very well people on pasoti should step back have a look at what they have said and done. But agree with others lets stop now with all this fighting, lifes to short

Agreed, to an extent. However, if no one challenges the behaviour of our self appointed superfans and reps., they will continue to abuse their position of being beyond reproach.
Add to that the obvious fact that they are far too small minded and parochial to make effective leaders, and the club we all want to succeed is in the wrong hands.
Remember 'Trust in Stapes ' and anyone else in a suit, with influence and half praaaaper diction ?

giant pasties and aviva adverts aswell tring dont forget

Sorry to interupt all the back slapping going on here, but why on earth are we all congratualting dane_b on 'owning up'? He was caught out and had no choice as by the looks of it Peggy wouldn't let it lie.

Will he own up to playing around with jocks email account too i wonder?

Meanwhile, Tringy seems to want to continue all the stupidity with asking people to post stuff on pasoti to stir what seems to be a settling pot.