Peter Jones

Innocent Egbunike wrote:

If Jones had simply come out and said 'we're disappointed that more fans aren't showing support and we need that', I'd have more respect for him.

Instead, he tries to justify it on the grounds of improving 'product'. Not only is that a hateful term to use for a football team (and one favoured by people I suspect have never as much as kicked a football) but he also undoes himself in the process. Yes, Peter, Argyle are doing relatively well in the last ten games and we're all glad about it but does that really equal sustainable improvement? Not yet, no. As a marketing specialist, he would know it takes far longer to build a successful brand and with it, customer loyalty. So, if he's judging it by that yardstick, he needs to wait - and get proactive in building that image of success and inclusion for PAFC.

As for the wider question, we all bloody well know that if Argyle are going well in the New Year, the crowds will build. Come March/April, if we're sniffing automatic promotion 10K+ will be the norm. And the powers that be should be thankful if that's the case. After the shit that has been served up in recent years, it'll be more than is deserved.

But it'll take more than a 6 game unbeaten run, as welcome as that is.

like......................jones is a w@nker too.................

Hitch wrote:

Brent has achieved absolutely nothing of commercial success through any of his businesses, indeed many have collapsed - Jones has achieved absolutely nothing of any commercial success through any of his supposed marketing skills or initiatives. With such blatent frauds on the board is it any wonder that the club lurches from one disappointment to the next - punctuated with an occasional run of decent results. The men responsible for running the club have no history of commercial success - we really shouldn't be surprised that the club itself is not commercially successful or even sustainable whilst they're around.

They love and encourage the Nool n Bean Head.................. says it all................losers. No class. No style. No hope.

To attract new fans and to bring back the educated w@nkers, they have to get real and cast out the chaff....................they won't though, because they care more about their own selfish interests than the future of PAFC.

I noted a thread on pasoti praising brent for.....well being brent i think !!!

My message for Jones is "the product" over the past seasons has been deffective and not fit for purpose. He and his non achieving mate maybe need to reflect on the fact that they are lucky to have had a core 6k fans over this period given the quality of "product" on offer.
The board WILL NOT achieve bigger gates by hiking up prices, yeah we are doing well at the moment and the "product" has recently improved but for £22 on the gate - really is that decent value?
Blow it out yer arse Jones!
BRENT OUT.

X Throbber slagging off fickle fans? The prize prick only goes once a season himself!

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

X Throbber slagging off fickle fans? The prize prick only goes once a season himself!

the bloke is the definition of hypocrite.

Tgwu wrote:

This is how rubbish this club is run, A supporter went to the supperstore to buy his son a shirt (get in early for a xmas )Could not sell him one with the boys name on the back because they did not have any I's.

Sort t out!

'Ave ths...   i

ejh wrote:

Don't see anything wrong with his comments, personally.

Argyle has the potential to be a big club. The size of Portsmouth, Norwich, Middlesbrough or Cardiff, but the club perennially refuses to fulfil it.

A city of more than 250,000, with the considerable support the Cornish and Devonian towns also provide, means that roughly 4,000 supporters out of a city of 250,000 can even be bothered to walk out of their door and go to a home match now.

'It's the football, it's terrible'. No it isn't. This is our best team for many a season and we play some quality football at times.

'Fans want to see winning football! They will only come back when the team bucks up its ideas.' 5 wins in the last 7 league matches - not exactly a bunch of hopeless losers?

'It's Brent and his corrupt circle of henchmen, supporters won't go until they all leave'. 75% of janners wouldn't know Brent if he walked past them on the street, let alone hate him enough not to patronise his enterprises.

If you were running this club and getting criticised for not delivering a stadium capable of capacities of more than 20,000, when you still have the balloon payment at the forefront of your mind too, would you not be more than slightly peeved that the major sports team of a city of more than 250,000 people can only attract crowds of 6,000 WHEN WINNING?

The best way that Argyle can improve and develop is to get MORE FANS turning up and paying their £20.

I'm no fan of this board, but they have done all they can to get the club up and running again. How much better is this team, and its players, from the shit that Fletcher had to manage? Vast improvements in every single position on the pitch. The board are improving the standard - so why are attendances lower, if anything, for Sheridan's good team, than Fletcher's non-league journeymen and kids?

More fans > better players > success > better stadium plans

For once let's stop encouraging dissent about the board and manager and as a public support this team.

EJH, that's a good reasoned statement which I agree with 100%, I think we're supporters or not, judging by some of the comments on here most are not, not to sure why some bother, they might as well pop up the A38 and watch the Greeks, for me I've supported the club since 1960 and I'll continue come what may, it's just in my blood and that's it. There's been managers, chairmen and players I've disliked over the years but they're managing/playing for the club I support and that's all there is to it for me.

Graiser wrote:

ejh wrote:

Don't see anything wrong with his comments, personally.

Argyle has the potential to be a big club. The size of Portsmouth, Norwich, Middlesbrough or Cardiff, but the club perennially refuses to fulfil it.

A city of more than 250,000, with the considerable support the Cornish and Devonian towns also provide, means that roughly 4,000 supporters out of a city of 250,000 can even be bothered to walk out of their door and go to a home match now.

'It's the football, it's terrible'. No it isn't. This is our best team for many a season and we play some quality football at times.

'Fans want to see winning football! They will only come back when the team bucks up its ideas.' 5 wins in the last 7 league matches - not exactly a bunch of hopeless losers?

'It's Brent and his corrupt circle of henchmen, supporters won't go until they all leave'. 75% of janners wouldn't know Brent if he walked past them on the street, let alone hate him enough not to patronise his enterprises.

If you were running this club and getting criticised for not delivering a stadium capable of capacities of more than 20,000, when you still have the balloon payment at the forefront of your mind too, would you not be more than slightly peeved that the major sports team of a city of more than 250,000 people can only attract crowds of 6,000 WHEN WINNING?

The best way that Argyle can improve and develop is to get MORE FANS turning up and paying their £20.

I'm no fan of this board, but they have done all they can to get the club up and running again. How much better is this team, and its players, from the shit that Fletcher had to manage? Vast improvements in every single position on the pitch. The board are improving the standard - so why are attendances lower, if anything, for Sheridan's good team, than Fletcher's non-league journeymen and kids?

More fans > better players > success > better stadium plans

For once let's stop encouraging dissent about the board and manager and as a public support this team.

EJH, that's a good reasoned statement which I agree with 100%, I think we're supporters or not, judging by some of the comments on here most are not, not to sure why some bother, they might as well pop up the A38 and watch the Greeks, for me I've supported the club since 1960 and I'll continue come what may, it's just in my blood and that's it. There's been managers, chairmen and players I've disliked over the years but they're managing/playing for the club I support and that's all there is to it for me.

I'm a follower as I don't support the club financially anymore.

Is that ok?

Yea Man wrote:

Graiser wrote:

ejh wrote:

Don't see anything wrong with his comments, personally.

Argyle has the potential to be a big club. The size of Portsmouth, Norwich, Middlesbrough or Cardiff, but the club perennially refuses to fulfil it.

A city of more than 250,000, with the considerable support the Cornish and Devonian towns also provide, means that roughly 4,000 supporters out of a city of 250,000 can even be bothered to walk out of their door and go to a home match now.

'It's the football, it's terrible'. No it isn't. This is our best team for many a season and we play some quality football at times.

'Fans want to see winning football! They will only come back when the team bucks up its ideas.' 5 wins in the last 7 league matches - not exactly a bunch of hopeless losers?

'It's Brent and his corrupt circle of henchmen, supporters won't go until they all leave'. 75% of janners wouldn't know Brent if he walked past them on the street, let alone hate him enough not to patronise his enterprises.

If you were running this club and getting criticised for not delivering a stadium capable of capacities of more than 20,000, when you still have the balloon payment at the forefront of your mind too, would you not be more than slightly peeved that the major sports team of a city of more than 250,000 people can only attract crowds of 6,000 WHEN WINNING?

The best way that Argyle can improve and develop is to get MORE FANS turning up and paying their £20.

I'm no fan of this board, but they have done all they can to get the club up and running again. How much better is this team, and its players, from the shit that Fletcher had to manage? Vast improvements in every single position on the pitch. The board are improving the standard - so why are attendances lower, if anything, for Sheridan's good team, than Fletcher's non-league journeymen and kids?

More fans > better players > success > better stadium plans

For once let's stop encouraging dissent about the board and manager and as a public support this team.

EJH, that's a good reasoned statement which I agree with 100%, I think we're supporters or not, judging by some of the comments on here most are not, not to sure why some bother, they might as well pop up the A38 and watch the Greeks, for me I've supported the club since 1960 and I'll continue come what may, it's just in my blood and that's it. There's been managers, chairmen and players I've disliked over the years but they're managing/playing for the club I support and that's all there is to it for me.

I'm a follower as I don't support the club financially anymore.

Is that ok?

No concern of mine what you do, you've just confirmed what I've mentioned above, which was my opinion and now you've had yours

Next you'll be talking about glory hunters and plastic fans.

Yea Man wrote:

Next you'll be talking about glory hunters and plastic fans.

Graiser gave you a perfectly reasonable answer to your question and now it seems you are looking for a squabble.

Yea Man wrote:

Next you'll be talking about glory hunters and plastic fans.

Oh will I ? I don't think so, already been done to death, gets kind of boring regurgitating the same old stuff

Graiser wrote:

Yea Man wrote:

Next you'll be talking about glory hunters and plastic fans.

Oh will I ? I don't think so, already been done to death, gets kind of boring regurgitating the same old stuff

Never stops Tring though

Graiser wrote:

ejh wrote:

Don't see anything wrong with his comments, personally.

Argyle has the potential to be a big club. The size of Portsmouth, Norwich, Middlesbrough or Cardiff, but the club perennially refuses to fulfil it.

A city of more than 250,000, with the considerable support the Cornish and Devonian towns also provide, means that roughly 4,000 supporters out of a city of 250,000 can even be bothered to walk out of their door and go to a home match now.

'It's the football, it's terrible'. No it isn't. This is our best team for many a season and we play some quality football at times.

'Fans want to see winning football! They will only come back when the team bucks up its ideas.' 5 wins in the last 7 league matches - not exactly a bunch of hopeless losers?

'It's Brent and his corrupt circle of henchmen, supporters won't go until they all leave'. 75% of janners wouldn't know Brent if he walked past them on the street, let alone hate him enough not to patronise his enterprises.

If you were running this club and getting criticised for not delivering a stadium capable of capacities of more than 20,000, when you still have the balloon payment at the forefront of your mind too, would you not be more than slightly peeved that the major sports team of a city of more than 250,000 people can only attract crowds of 6,000 WHEN WINNING?

The best way that Argyle can improve and develop is to get MORE FANS turning up and paying their £20.

I'm no fan of this board, but they have done all they can to get the club up and running again. How much better is this team, and its players, from the shit that Fletcher had to manage? Vast improvements in every single position on the pitch. The board are improving the standard - so why are attendances lower, if anything, for Sheridan's good team, than Fletcher's non-league journeymen and kids?

More fans > better players > success > better stadium plans

For once let's stop encouraging dissent about the board and manager and as a public support this team.

EJH, that's a good reasoned statement which I agree with 100%, I think we're supporters or not, judging by some of the comments on here most are not, not to sure why some bother, they might as well pop up the A38 and watch the Greeks, for me I've supported the club since 1960 and I'll continue come what may, it's just in my blood and that's it. There's been managers, chairmen and players I've disliked over the years but they're managing/playing for the club I support and that's all there is to it for me.

There are undoubtedly many more like yourself who blindly follow, who would never ever think to question, and who are just happy to have a club to support.

This isn't a criticism, but it is precisely that sort of blinkered mentality that took us to the edge of oblivion a few years ago.

Just be grateful you have a club you cnuts.

Czarcasm wrote:

Graiser wrote:

ejh wrote:

Don't see anything wrong with his comments, personally.

Argyle has the potential to be a big club. The size of Portsmouth, Norwich, Middlesbrough or Cardiff, but the club perennially refuses to fulfil it.

A city of more than 250,000, with the considerable support the Cornish and Devonian towns also provide, means that roughly 4,000 supporters out of a city of 250,000 can even be bothered to walk out of their door and go to a home match now.

'It's the football, it's terrible'. No it isn't. This is our best team for many a season and we play some quality football at times.

'Fans want to see winning football! They will only come back when the team bucks up its ideas.' 5 wins in the last 7 league matches - not exactly a bunch of hopeless losers?

'It's Brent and his corrupt circle of henchmen, supporters won't go until they all leave'. 75% of janners wouldn't know Brent if he walked past them on the street, let alone hate him enough not to patronise his enterprises.

If you were running this club and getting criticised for not delivering a stadium capable of capacities of more than 20,000, when you still have the balloon payment at the forefront of your mind too, would you not be more than slightly peeved that the major sports team of a city of more than 250,000 people can only attract crowds of 6,000 WHEN WINNING?

The best way that Argyle can improve and develop is to get MORE FANS turning up and paying their £20.

I'm no fan of this board, but they have done all they can to get the club up and running again. How much better is this team, and its players, from the shit that Fletcher had to manage? Vast improvements in every single position on the pitch. The board are improving the standard - so why are attendances lower, if anything, for Sheridan's good team, than Fletcher's non-league journeymen and kids?

More fans > better players > success > better stadium plans

For once let's stop encouraging dissent about the board and manager and as a public support this team.

EJH, that's a good reasoned statement which I agree with 100%, I think we're supporters or not, judging by some of the comments on here most are not, not to sure why some bother, they might as well pop up the A38 and watch the Greeks, for me I've supported the club since 1960 and I'll continue come what may, it's just in my blood and that's it. There's been managers, chairmen and players I've disliked over the years but they're managing/playing for the club I support and that's all there is to it for me.

There are undoubtedly many more like yourself who blindly follow, who would never ever think to question, and who are just happy to have a club to support.

This isn't a criticism, but it is precisely that sort of blinkered mentality that took us to the edge of oblivion a few years ago.

The history of it all has been done to death, what took us to the edge was blatant mismanagement by a board that created 17 million pounds of debt.
This board are managing the after effects of that crisis, as to whether they could do better, most probably yes they could, but nevertheless we are being managed out of it, not fast enough for some, me included, but I haven't yet read anything that suggests a constructive alternative to Brent, yelling Brent out is hardly an action plan is it ? yelling Brent out because Chris Dawson wants to become Argyle's benefactor and build a 25-30k Stadium is a good one, but it ain't going to happen is it ?
In answer to your question, yes I am happy I still have a club to support.

Mismanaged by a Board who closed their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and hoped against hope that 'everything would be alright'. Stapes has since admitted as much.

The absolute equivalent is for fans to do the same. To follow, to not question, to clap along and ignore the warnings. Maybe if there were more of 'our' type pointing out the flaws and less of 'your' type ignoring alarm bells a few years ago, then things may not have degenerated to the state they did.

Czarcasm wrote:

Mismanaged by a Board who closed their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and hoped against hope that 'everything would be alright'. Stapes has since admitted as much.

The absolute equivalent is for fans to do the same. To follow, to not question, to clap along and ignore the warnings. Maybe if there were more of 'our' type pointing out the flaws and less of 'your' type ignoring alarm bells a few years ago, then things may not have degenerated to the state they did.

Hey up Tring's got some competition here boys.

BFG wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Mismanaged by a Board who closed their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and hoped against hope that 'everything would be alright'. Stapes has since admitted as much.

The absolute equivalent is for fans to do the same. To follow, to not question, to clap along and ignore the warnings. Maybe if there were more of 'our' type pointing out the flaws and less of 'your' type ignoring alarm bells a few years ago, then things may not have degenerated to the state they did.

Hey up Tring's got some competition here boys.

And you're in competition with Walter Mitty you knobjockey.

Czarcasm wrote:

Mismanaged by a Board who closed their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and hoped against hope that 'everything would be alright'. Stapes has since admitted as much.

The absolute equivalent is for fans to do the same. To follow, to not question, to clap along and ignore the warnings. Maybe if there were more of 'our' type pointing out the flaws and less of 'your' type ignoring alarm bells a few years ago, then things may not have degenerated to the state they did.

We all know what happened but I don't know what you mean by my type, I didn't run the club then and don't now.
So what type am I ?
I've read and heard lots of comments about the current board, but yelling "Brent out" is hardly a business plan is it ?
Now if there was a yell of "Brent out" cos Chris Dawsons agreed to be Argyle's benefactor and he's going to build a 25-30k stadium then I'd be jumping up and down at that thought, but it ain't going to happen is it ?
I read all the criticism about Brent, probably some of it justified, but I don't read any alternative suggestions and that's my beef.

Graiser wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Mismanaged by a Board who closed their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and hoped against hope that 'everything would be alright'. Stapes has since admitted as much.

The absolute equivalent is for fans to do the same. To follow, to not question, to clap along and ignore the warnings. Maybe if there were more of 'our' type pointing out the flaws and less of 'your' type ignoring alarm bells a few years ago, then things may not have degenerated to the state they did.

We all know what happened but I don't know what you mean by my type, I didn't run the club then and don't now.
So what type am I ?
I've read and heard lots of comments about the current board, but yelling "Brent out" is hardly a business plan is it ?
Now if there was a yell of "Brent out" cos Chris Dawsons agreed to be Argyle's benefactor and he's going to build a 25-30k stadium then I'd be jumping up and down at that thought, but it ain't going to happen is it ?
I read all the criticism about Brent, probably some of it justified, but I don't read any alternative suggestions and that's my beef.

Graiser wrote:

There's been managers, chairmen and players I've disliked over the years but they're managing/playing for the club I support and that's all there is to it for me.

Your last sentence demonstrates what type you are. It doesn't really matter what happens, you blindly follow.

That's it for me now, I'm out.

You'm nart a prarper fan Czar.

Czarcasm wrote:

Mismanaged by a Board who closed their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and hoped against hope that 'everything would be alright'. Stapes has since admitted as much.

The absolute equivalent is for fans to do the same. To follow, to not question, to clap along and ignore the warnings. Maybe if there were more of 'our' type pointing out the flaws and less of 'your' type ignoring alarm bells a few years ago, then things may not have degenerated to the state they did.

No problem in drawing attention to concerns about the board, any board in any company is there to be shot at, but I don't recall any of my "type" or your "type" having a pop at the previous board until the proverbial hit the fan.
I would just like to hear once in a while from your "type" what your alternative business plan is ? all very fine wanting Brent out, whose coming in to replace him then ?