Young to Torquay

With hindsight it was almost certainly a mistake to let Young go, however he never did enough to show that we should keep him when he was here. I always tipped Young for great things but apart from the odd bit of skill and the odd goal he never shone for us ever. What he has done I think is recieved the massive kick up the arse he needed by being released and grabbed the chance at Torquay with both hands and I couldn't be happier for the boy if he makes it. As for CCC player? Not so sure.
As for the management at the club, Shez said after a few games that he was not worried about the league table he said to look at the table after ten games and judge him then. Well what can we say? 8th place, improvement on last years finish and showing some upward progression. Is that good enough? Yes if you believe we can kick on from here to end up in league 1 next year and I don't think we can. If you look at the leagues top scorers the better teams all have their version of Reid they also have another three players on between three and five goals to boot, we don't have that strength in depth (Hourihane would have seen us promoted for sure, forget LY). I don't think that is Shezes fault, why would he have wanted to sell CH when he stated last year that he was making him captain to build a team around? The board are to blame, if we had to let him go because we badly need £200k you yet again have to come back to the board and ask why we need that money so badly when we have some of the highest gates in the league? How much gate money has gone pursuing Brent's pipe dream of being bob the builder? Something isn't right at HP and it has feck all to do with Shez being unable to keep Young after the board sold the club captain for feck all.

In hindsight if Shezza knew Hourihane was off Young would have stayed.

Iggy wrote:

With hindsight it was almost certainly a mistake to let Young go, however he never did enough to show that we should keep him when he was here. I always tipped Young for great things but apart from the odd bit of skill and the odd goal he never shone for us ever. What he has done I think is recieved the massive kick up the arse he needed by being released and grabbed the chance at Torquay with both hands and I couldn't be happier for the boy if he makes it. As for CCC player? Not so sure.
As for the management at the club, Shez said after a few games that he was not worried about the league table he said to look at the table after ten games and judge him then. Well what can we say? 8th place, improvement on last years finish and showing some upward progression. Is that good enough? Yes if you believe we can kick on from here to end up in league 1 next year and I don't think we can. If you look at the leagues top scorers the better teams all have their version of Reid they also have another three players on between three and five goals to boot, we don't have that strength in depth (Hourihane would have seen us promoted for sure, forget LY). I don't think that is Shezes fault, why would he have wanted to sell CH when he stated last year that he was making him captain to build a team around? The board are to blame, if we had to let him go because we badly need £200k you yet again have to come back to the board and ask why we need that money so badly when we have some of the highest gates in the league? How much gate money has gone pursuing Brent's pipe dream of being bob the builder? Something isn't right at HP and it has feck all to do with Shez being unable to keep Young after the board sold the club captain for feck all.

I don't buy into hindsight when it comes to letting players go. It's foresight that's needed. You don't even need half a brain to see Luke Young is class. Sheridan said last season that young is the best passer at the club then let him go. Young didn't fit our type of football. He didn't do much with us because we don't play much football. In a hoofball set up he's bound to be lost. With the whole team are standing around like statues there is no pass on, a player with his ability to pick people out is utterly wasted. What the hell is the point of our academy bringing people through if the club is just going to hand them to someone else. Rubbish Argyle I'm still livid.

To be fair there would have been a bigger uproar if Sheridan let Harvey go IMO. He is the next Messi according to some.

Watching the Alfreton v Torquay game. Luke has been anonymous. Same as Hourihane in my opinion. When the going gets tough.

MTM wrote:

Iggy wrote:

With hindsight it was almost certainly a mistake to let Young go, however he never did enough to show that we should keep him when he was here. I always tipped Young for great things but apart from the odd bit of skill and the odd goal he never shone for us ever. What he has done I think is recieved the massive kick up the arse he needed by being released and grabbed the chance at Torquay with both hands and I couldn't be happier for the boy if he makes it. As for CCC player? Not so sure.
As for the management at the club, Shez said after a few games that he was not worried about the league table he said to look at the table after ten games and judge him then. Well what can we say? 8th place, improvement on last years finish and showing some upward progression. Is that good enough? Yes if you believe we can kick on from here to end up in league 1 next year and I don't think we can. If you look at the leagues top scorers the better teams all have their version of Reid they also have another three players on between three and five goals to boot, we don't have that strength in depth (Hourihane would have seen us promoted for sure, forget LY). I don't think that is Shezes fault, why would he have wanted to sell CH when he stated last year that he was making him captain to build a team around? The board are to blame, if we had to let him go because we badly need £200k you yet again have to come back to the board and ask why we need that money so badly when we have some of the highest gates in the league? How much gate money has gone pursuing Brent's pipe dream of being bob the builder? Something isn't right at HP and it has feck all to do with Shez being unable to keep Young after the board sold the club captain for feck all.

I don't buy into hindsight when it comes to letting players go. It's foresight that's needed. You don't even need half a brain to see Luke Young is class. Sheridan said last season that young is the best passer at the club then let him go. Young didn't fit our type of football. He didn't do much with us because we don't play much football. In a hoofball set up he's bound to be lost. With the whole team are standing around like statues there is no pass on, a player with his ability to pick people out is utterly wasted. What the hell is the point of our academy bringing people through if the club is just going to hand them to someone else. Rubbish Argyle I'm still livid.

I agree that we should be developing players but with only scant resources being given to the manager he has to make unpopular choices, a complete squad seems a luxury we can only dream of at the moment. Foresight costs more cash than Brent wants to give, not my fault or Sheridans.

stephensdad wrote:

Watching the Alfreton v Torquay game. Luke has been anonymous. Same as Hourihane in my opinion. When the going gets tough.

Our team is supposedly in good form at the moment, and from memory Blizzard has got 1 goal, Cox has got 0 and O'Connor has got 0.

Are our current midfielders 'anonymous' even though we are winning?

Young and Hourihane were 6 - 12 goals a season midfielders - the midfielders we have got are not. We are missing CH's long range threat and passing, Luke Young's free kick and playmaking ability (assists) - I worry about this midfield in terms of lack of goals and creativity, and wonder if it is feasible to have a good season with such a lack of input from midfield?

Who knows maybe we will re sign him in jan

ejh wrote:

stephensdad wrote:

Watching the Alfreton v Torquay game. Luke has been anonymous. Same as Hourihane in my opinion. When the going gets tough.

Our team is supposedly in good form at the moment, and from memory Blizzard has got 1 goal, Cox has got 0 and O'Connor has got 0.

Are our current midfielders 'anonymous' even though we are winning?

Young and Hourihane were 6 - 12 goals a season midfielders - the midfielders we have got are not. We are missing CH's long range threat and passing, Luke Young's free kick and playmaking ability (assists) - I worry about this midfield in terms of lack of goals and creativity, and wonder if it is feasible to have a good season with such a lack of input from midfield?

Agreed.

Blizzard has come on well this season but he's still no Youngy for me.

i await Trings damn fine dahling retort.

Lets get this in perspective.
Chadders signed for Telford? and started knocking them in. Players thrive when they are at the correct level.

Chadwick signed for Tamworth, not Telford. And as for 'knocking them in', he scored 3 in 8 on loan and a further 5 in 21. 8 goals in 29 appearances in the Conference, a strike rate comparable to Luke Young currently from centre midfield. Better than Argyle, sure, but hardly dominating is it? I went to see Tamworth last season and by that time Chadwick was restricted to 10 minutes from the bench. Tamworth were rock bottom of the football conference.

Luke Young is excelling in the conference because he is too good for the division. His side are playing quality football and look a great get for promotion to League Two. Nick Chadwick would have been playing Conference North football if he hadn't retired. I don't think your comparison is a good one at highlighting how easy the conference is, if that was your point - remember, Chadwick scored 3 in 6 on loan at League Two level too, and Chadwick hardly went on to find that standard easy.

Absolutely.

Also, 3 out of Chadwick's 8 goals on loan were against amateur sides in the FA Cup. Not against conference level.

Iggy wrote:

With hindsight it was almost certainly a mistake to let Young go, however he never did enough to show that we should keep him when he was here. I always tipped Young for great things but apart from the odd bit of skill and the odd goal he never shone for us ever. What he has done I think is recieved the massive kick up the arse he needed by being released and grabbed the chance at Torquay with both hands and I couldn't be happier for the boy if he makes it. As for CCC player? Not so sure.
As for the management at the club, Shez said after a few games that he was not worried about the league table he said to look at the table after ten games and judge him then. Well what can we say? 8th place, improvement on last years finish and showing some upward progression. Is that good enough? Yes if you believe we can kick on from here to end up in league 1 next year and I don't think we can. If you look at the leagues top scorers the better teams all have their version of Reid they also have another three players on between three and five goals to boot, we don't have that strength in depth (Hourihane would have seen us promoted for sure, forget LY). I don't think that is Shezes fault, why would he have wanted to sell CH when he stated last year that he was making him captain to build a team around? The board are to blame, if we had to let him go because we badly need £200k you yet again have to come back to the board and ask why we need that money so badly when we have some of the highest gates in the league? How much gate money has gone pursuing Brent's pipe dream of being bob the builder? Something isn't right at HP and it has feck all to do with Shez being unable to keep Young after the board sold the club captain for feck all.

Great post, well said.

I wouldn't say it now, that was after he tore the conference up for a few games. The rest of it was spot on though.

How has Young done since his purple patch as i havent heard much since?

By all accounts he's still playing well. One of, if not the best player for them this season. Even after the goals have dried up.

That's the consensus amongst the Torquay fans that I know of anyway.

Panned out much as I thought it would and he has found more his true level. After a bright start he is one of the better players in a mid table Conference side. Has done nothing really to suggest the club got it wrong in releasing him. He could get a game for sure in many league 2 teams but would not have been a player who would be starting every week in a team pushing for promotion to league 1 or to then be a regular in league 1. He wasn't in great demand when we let him go and nor was he in the January transfer window.

swampy wrote:

Panned out much as I thought it would and he has found more his true level. After a bright start he is one of the better players in a mid table Conference side. Has done nothing really to suggest the club got it wrong in releasing him. He could get a game for sure in many league 2 teams but would not have been a player who would be starting every week in a team pushing for promotion to league 1 or to then be a regular in league 1. He wasn't in great demand when we let him go and nor was he in the January transfer window.

That was always my view on his release. He had potential but could he do it at league one week in and out? i dont think so glad he is playing well and i am sure he will be back in league 2 soon enough with or without Torquay in the future.

WINS PotY at Torquay..