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Lord Tisdale wrote:

greensleeves wrote:: The thing is with the HS2 scheme you may get to Euston 20 minutes earlier but you will still have to wait for a tube or a taxi once you get there.

Actually "the thing is" that it is far too much money, for far too little benefit, to far too few people.

Another 'infrastructure' project designed to bring 'growth' into the economy and provide 'jobs'. Or its a redirection of more public money into the pockets of a small bunch of huge civil engineers who get sub contractors to do all the real work and then pay them on 60 day terms.

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how about opening up the airport too even if its a skeleton airbase its better than having no airlink at all to the big cities.

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Can't see there is a case for a motorway to Plymouth for the reasons stated by ejh.
Nor the airport, it closed because it wasn't economically viable.

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Pafcintheplace wrote:: Can't see there is a case for a motorway to Plymouth for the reasons stated by ejh.
Nor the airport, it closed because it wasn't economically viable.

it wasnt economically viable because it was misused and mismanaged as i say a skeleton airbase would be perfect as we dont need an international one like exeter and it would be easier to attract businessmen down here with a quick and easy route which a train wont deliver hell might even persuade a few players to come here too.

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Pafcintheplace wrote:: Can't see there is a case for a motorway to Plymouth for the reasons stated by ejh.
Nor the airport, it closed because it wasn't economically viable.

In a nutshell.

There is nowhere near enough demand for HS2 to come SW.

The current motorway network through Plymouth is adequate, with a third lane supporting city traffic.

The train line is actually comparatively quite good - with a sleeper train service, and express trains to the capital at 2 hrs 45 journey time.

The last I heard Plymouth's train station was receiving huge investment. In any case it is already the largest station in the south west apart from Temple Meads.

Not having an airport is quite a hindrance - however in many ways I am happy for Exeter to have all the international jets roaring them awake. And to keep the noise 38 miles away. But it is not good for infrastructure.

However I am not sure a few thousand petition will open a brand spanking new airport with international connections. Who is going to manage it? Where is the investment? Where is the demand? Where would it be based, who owns the site and what are the traffic connections like? Where are the feasibility studies?

It goes back to the original question of whwt is Webb trying to achieve with this, other than to appear busy.

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ejh wrote:

Pafcintheplace wrote:: Can't see there is a case for a motorway to Plymouth for the reasons stated by ejh.
Nor the airport, it closed because it wasn't economically viable.

In a nutshell.

There is nowhere near enough demand for HS2 to come SW.

The current motorway network through Plymouth is adequate, with a third lane supporting city traffic.

The train line is actually comparatively quite good - with a sleeper train service, and express trains to the capital at 2 hrs 45 journey time.

The last I heard Plymouth's train station was receiving huge investment. In any case it is already the largest station in the south west apart from maybe Temple Meads.

Not having an airport is quite a hindrance - however in many ways I am happy for Exeter to have all the international jets roaring them awake. And to keep the noise 38 miles away. But it is not good for infrastructure.

However I am not sure a few thousand petition will open a brand spanking new airport with international connections. Who is going to manage it? Where is the investment? Where is the demand? Where would it be based, who owns the site and what are the traffic connections like? Where are the feasibility studies?

It goes back to the original question of whwt is Webb trying to achieve with this, other than to appear busy.

the group running the campaign arent after an international airport just an airport with links to the big cities in the uk. they were popular enough when they ran and could help bring much needed buisness here.

greensleeves wrote:: The thing is with the HS2 scheme you may get to Euston 20 minutes earlier but you will still have to wait for a tube or a taxi once you get there.

This has to be the most stupid thing ever said on these boards.

And it looks to me like Webb is setting himself up for a run at being an MP.

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Rickler wrote:

greensleeves wrote:: The thing is with the HS2 scheme you may get to Euston 20 minutes earlier but you will still have to wait for a tube or a taxi once you get there.

This has to be the most stupid thing ever said on these boards.

the village idiot is using this account again the other one will be back soon,,,,,,,

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The Indian aid is not "aid" in the accepted sense, such as starving mouths. It is a global slush fund. Few countries will give UK PLC the business unless bribes etc are passed over. It's there to subsidise the big privately owned British companies abroad and to help manipulate markets.
Also the Foreign Office now dip into it for their expenses, and it is publicly recorded that hundreds of millions are going toward subsidising the defence budget. In other words, it's a PR con. The perfect pot of money to allow the Tory pet departments to avoid much of the cuts being suffered everywhere. Good job Cleggy's on board keeping an eye on his old school buddies.
As for Webby, he's long eyed up some sort of celebrity slot for himself. I guess he's a campaigner in the same way Brent is a philanthropist. Funny how the two things he's been publicly involved with at the Post Office and the football club have been a disaster for all employees, but not the owners. But then it is the Post Office that is his employer, not the Trade Union.He just has a 100% dispensation to work on Union business. Glorified HR in my mind. And what a good job he did too. He sent those privateers packing.

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somebody needs to bang the drum,why not Chris Webb. The A 38 urgently needs upgrading to motorway standard. Every week there are numerous accidents as reported in the herald.

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Angry wrote:: it wasnt economically viable because it was misused and mismanaged as i say a skeleton airbase would be perfect as we dont need an international one like exeter and it would be easier to attract businessmen down here with a quick and easy route which a train wont deliver hell might even persuade a few players to come here too.

This is a joke yeah?

A tin pot airport is going to attract "businessmen"?

Exeter is far too small an airport to be viable in such a hugely competitive market and is in itself in decline, reopening Muff would be a huge waste of public money as no private company would be stupid enough to do it.

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greensleeves wrote:: somebody needs to bang the drum,why not Chris Webb. The A 38 urgently needs upgrading to motorway standard. Every week there are numerous accidents as reported in the herald.

Perhaps it might be a better idea to spend any available money on teaching you buck toothed, multi digited, fork'tards to drive properly.

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Can't see them funding a loss making airport and certainly not an extension if the motorway network, would be nice to have and certainly give a much needed boost to the gene pool though :-D

Seriously though, campaigning for an improved rail link between N Abott and Exeter seems a more realistic aim, or bring the Okehampton route back into service.

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Lord Tisdale wrote:

greensleeves wrote:: somebody needs to bang the drum,why not Chris Webb. The A 38 urgently needs upgrading to motorway standard. Every week there are numerous accidents as reported in the herald.

Perhaps it might be a better idea to spend any available money on teaching you buck toothed, multi digited, fork'tards to drive properly.

Comedy gold lol!

How can Newquay run a airport and not Plymouth

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Apart from the London city state thing, it's cheap wages and subsidised land and tax rates that attract businessmen. Why does anybody think all these businessmen upped sticks and moved to some god forsaken country over the last 10 to 20 years... for the easy communication links to their markets ?

Webb's comments are more designed as Jones style internet bites under "The Ocean City is open for business". They've got a little network going since the Ridsdale debacle and have illusions in their head. I'm sure they think someone's listening. little do they know they were pawns in a game. It'll take a year or three for this bunch to disappear. They'll be history when the lighthouses disappear.

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greensleeves wrote:: somebody needs to bang the drum,why not Chris Webb. The A 38 urgently needs upgrading to motorway standard. Every week there are numerous accidents as reported in the herald.

has he paid you to say that?,,,,,,

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Tgwu wrote:: How can Newquay run a airport and not Plymouth

it wont be soon i heard on the local news a while back.

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Tgwu wrote:: How can Newquay run a airport and not Plymouth

They can't, the airport is just a publicly funded relic of the cold war and requires huge subsidies to function at all.

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Angry wrote:

Pafcintheplace wrote:: Can't see there is a case for a motorway to Plymouth for the reasons stated by ejh.
Nor the airport, it closed because it wasn't economically viable.

it wasnt economically viable because it was misused and mismanaged as i say a skeleton airbase would be perfect as we dont need an international one like exeter and it would be easier to attract businessmen down here with a quick and easy route which a train wont deliver hell might even persuade a few players to come here too.

An airport needs airlines, once Air Southwest went, i didnt see any others beating the door down to use it.

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Lord Tisdale wrote:

Angry wrote:: it wasnt economically viable because it was misused and mismanaged as i say a skeleton airbase would be perfect as we dont need an international one like exeter and it would be easier to attract businessmen down here with a quick and easy route which a train wont deliver hell might even persuade a few players to come here too.

This is a joke yeah?

A tin pot airport is going to attract "businessmen"?

Exeter is far too small an airport to be viable in such a hugely competitive market and is in itself in decline, reopening Muff would be a huge waste of public money as no private company would be stupid enough to do it.

an airlink would open up doors where a train link wont. Exeter has an airport which has done wonders for the area and there is no need for another like it in plymouth which is fine but a skeleton airport would be an advantage for this city.

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Angry wrote:

Pafcintheplace wrote:: Can't see there is a case for a motorway to Plymouth for the reasons stated by ejh.
Nor the airport, it closed because it wasn't economically viable.

it wasnt economically viable because it was misused and mismanaged as i say a skeleton airbase would be perfect as we dont need an international one like exeter and it would be easier to attract businessmen down here with a quick and easy route which a train wont deliver hell might even persuade a few players to come here too.

An airport needs airlines, once Air Southwest went, i didnt see any others beating the door down to use it.

because the recession was hitting the airlines hard at the time.

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Tgwu wrote:: How can Newquay run a airport and not Plymouth

Its owned by the Council.

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Lord Tisdale wrote:

Tgwu wrote:: How can Newquay run a airport and not Plymouth

They can't, the airport is just a publicly funded relic of the cold war and requires huge subsidies to function at all.

its pretty much mothballed now the raf have all but left there.

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greensleeves wrote:: somebody needs to bang the drum,why not Chris Webb. The A 38 urgently needs upgrading to motorway standard. Every week there are numerous accidents as reported in the herald.

Because he is not an MP and he represents no-one.

He is currently passing a petition around begging for people to represent, in my opinion, so he can storm around the city with a bit of gusto.

The standard procedure is that on matters of local to regional infrastructure, involving decision making at national offices, you need your MPs on board. That is their job, they are our ELECTED representatives. That's why they have offices, contacts and staff in Westminster, experience of campaigns, experience of getting answers and getting things underway.

So why is this the Chris Webb show? Why has he not initiated a campaign inviting support of his representatives, that might genuinely get somewhere?

Rickler nailed it in a wunner.

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