Anelka

ejh wrote:

Lord Tisdale wrote:

I detest the Jewish financial establishment

Steady on Tis.

See this is where you can never quite keep up ej, whether through a lack of education or simply the lack of basic intelligence.

My comment is an opinion expressed as an opinion, it cannot be wrong, your comment is an ill thought out opinion expressed as a fact when you cannot possibly know the religion of those espousing the story, you are therefore being stupid almost to the point of 'racism' in ascribing them the Jewish faith.

"Those driving this moral outrage are no doubt Jewish"?

Descendants or not, and I struggle to see the difference, the chances of every person involved being Jewish are about akin to the chances of Kidderminster Harriers going on to win the FA Cup this season, the Europa League next, having four consecutive promotions, winning the Prem at the first go and the Champions League the following year.

Of course there is doubt, so while your argument may have had a little merit this ridiculous assertion negates it from inception.

1/10 for the effort, please try harder in future.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

I detest the Jewish financial establishment

Do you detest the white anglo saxon christian protestant financial establishment with equal gusto ?

So Tis, you 'detest' Jewish bankers and yet I am the racist? For making the point that there is considerably more expressive jewish representation in the French and European media than Arab, African or Palestinian?

The reason the media doesn't go down these avenues of grown up debate is become some puerile idiots like you can't handle discussing these issues without accusing others of being racists. Publications and writers are terrified of being accused, so they leave Anelka to hang out to dry and comment on him instead rather than explore the dark entirety of the issue.

Winter Green wrote:

Lord Tisdale wrote:

I detest the Jewish financial establishment

Do you detest the white anglo saxon christian protestant financial establishment with equal gusto ?

Abso bloody lutely.

ejh wrote:

So Tis, you 'detest' Jewish bankers

Can somebody please have a word?

I will try one last time and then he is all yours.

Listen dumb ass and try very hard to understand.

My post does not say that I "detest Jewish bankers", I know a couple of Jewish bankers and they are really nice guys, I detest the institutions. I could produce a list of Jews that I either detest, dislike or am fairly ambivalent about, but because they are arseholes, not because they are Jewish.

The frigging concept ain't that hard, is it?

i hate zionists

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Winter Green wrote:

Lord Tisdale wrote:

I detest the Jewish financial establishment

Do you detest the white anglo saxon christian protestant financial establishment with equal gusto ?

Abso bloody lutely.

So, given you have always been proudly well right of centre, what is your answer to this financial piracy and monetarism that is a plague on most citizens .... and who should get it in the neck first ?
What would you put in place of these banking pirates and their systemic free licence ? Genuinely interested.

and it begins

If I can just point out that hating Jewish Bankers is not racist. Jew is not a country and therefore not a race it is a religion.

Carry on with your argument now.

I think if someone called Tis out for hating the Friends of Central Park, he'd claim that his Grandfather founded the movement.

I'd respect Anelka a lot more if he actually sat and did a proper interview with a quality newspaper (the Guardian perhaps) rather than make a gesture on a football pitch.

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

If I can just point out that hating Jewish Bankers is not racist.    Jew is not a country and therefore not a race it is a religion.

Carry on with your argument now.

The Jewish have their own race, their own culture, their own peoples, their own language and even their own nation state (Israel).

So essentially yes, identifying the 'Jewish bankers' is a racialised context. I don't think anyone has strong views on Presbyterian bankers or Catholic identities in global finance, as those identities are not traditionally observed to carry a lot of collective power.

In this context the power/methods of 'the Jewish' refers to the nation, not just the religion.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

ejh wrote:

So Tis, you 'detest' Jewish bankers

Can somebody please have a word?

I will try one last time and then he is all yours.

Listen dumb ass and try very hard to understand.

My post does not say that I "detest Jewish bankers", I know a couple of Jewish bankers and they are really nice guys, I detest the institutions. I could produce a list of Jews that I either detest, dislike or am fairly ambivalent about, but because they are arseholes, not because they are Jewish.

The frigging concept ain't that hard, is it?

If you detest institutions, and arseholes of all kinds (regardless of race), why did you specifically mention Jewish financial institutions as something you detest?

Something specifically about the way a few firms owned by prominent Jewish families have conducted themselves? Just write what you mean ferchristsakes.

Me writing that I despise eating at restaurants in China, and then backtracking to say that I hate any restaurant with poor chefs who don't cook the food properly - is kind of a massive u-turn to make a totally separate point. Exactly as you are trying to do.

Tis is just as bad as Downthetrack but he writes more and tries to twist the subject into a straw man argument. He's a grade A troll. Claiming you know a certain 'type of person' is no defence against being a grade B ukip/right wing bell-end.
I've heard people claim that Jews 'play the victim' in these types of arguments - that's no defence either. Also, they treat Palestinians badly - two wrongs don't make a right.

At least zoopla got a load of front page free publicity - a bit like Wonga did with Newcastle.

Shirley "Jewish Banker" and "Guardian Reader" must be two of the most kackneyed class/ race/ political leaning descriptive terms ever.

I am sure there are bankers who are Jews but there are certainly a lot of other creeds involved, just as guilty, to single out one particular sub group is a little unfair.

But then when does a wind up need to be credible, just successful, well done Tis.

I don't agree ejh. Jewish people are not neccessarily from Israel as there are Jewish people in the religious context all over the globe who have never set foot in that state along with their entire ancestry. It is a religion and is not a race of people in the same light as Muslim, Catholic etc. The term Jewish Banker is predudice when used in a negative context of singling out but not racist. I think probably all Bankers are somewhat detested these days by most people.

Winter Green wrote:

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Winter Green wrote:

Lord Tisdale wrote:

I detest the Jewish financial establishment

Do you detest the white anglo saxon christian protestant financial establishment with equal gusto ?

Abso bloody lutely.

So, given you have always been proudly well right of centre, what is your answer to this financial piracy and monetarism that is a plague on most citizens .... and who should get it in the neck first ?
What would you put in place of these banking pirates and their systemic free licence ? Genuinely interested.

What on earth gives you the impression I have ever been "proudly well right of centre"?

I am monetarist in certain areas and rabidly socialist in others. I detest racism as much as detest those who use it as a lame excuse for not being able to win a rational argument.

The solutions to problems rarely involve extreme measures or self interest, when Nixon let the Rothchilds and a multitude of other Jewish financiers off the leash he started a boulder rolling down a hill which was always bound to create havoc, anyone who suggests that the Fed is not a Jewish/WASP cabal basically hasn't been paying attention, but as I say, unlike some I am bright enough to separate the actions of a number of Jewish bankers from Jewish people in general.

Shalom.

ps. The monetarist bonanza has not been a "plague on most citizens", many millions of us have done pretty well out of it up until now, trouble is there is an ever growing generation of most particularly young people who are terminally economically fecked as their asset endowed parents struggle to help them pay their £50k of debts on minimum wage. A one bedroom flat around here will set you back £150k and prices are rising fast still.

Jews are not a race any more than Christians are a race. To be a race people must have a common ancestory and Jews come from many parts of the world. The Ashkenazi Jews come mainly from Eastern Europe, Sephardi Jews come mainly from the Middle East and there are Falasha Jews from Africa. They look as different as any three white, Asian or African people look. The hatred and discriminatory laws cover race, religion and sexual orientation, three different ways bigots can target minority groups. Anti Semitism is not racism in the strictest meaning of the word. It is however just as sick.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

What on earth gives you the impression I have ever been  "proudly well right of centre"?

I am monetarist in certain areas and rabidly socialist in others. I detest racism as much as detest those who use it as a lame excuse for not being able to win a rational argument.

The solutions to problems rarely involve extreme measures or self interest, when Nixon let the Rothchilds and a multitude of other Jewish financiers off the leash he started a boulder rolling down a hill which was always bound to create havoc, anyone who suggests that the Fed is not a Jewish/WASP cabal basically hasn't been paying attention, but as I say, unlike some I am bright enough to separate the actions of a number of Jewish bankers from Jewish people in general.

Shalom.

ps. The monetarist bonanza has not been a "plague on most citizens", many millions of us have done pretty well out of it up until now, trouble is there is an ever growing generation of most particularly young people who are terminally economically fecked as their asset endowed parents struggle to help them pay their £50k of debts on minimum wage. A one bedroom flat around here will set you back £150k and prices are rising fast still.

So, basically, you have no right wing answer at all as to how to punish the bankers who have trousered so much money through rigging a mad property bubble and then through more unethical and several systemic illegal means such as LIBOR. And what's more you have no answer as to how to stop it happening again and again ?
Thought not. That was all I asked for. What I didn't ask for was yet another anti semite opportunity. The only person who forgot that the banking bunch includes WASPs and many others, was you in your initial comments, and yet for someone who is so careful with every single word, you just use this chance to once again refer to the Jewish banking community alone, with no mention of the others. You can't resist it and you sound blind in one eye to me.
In any event, if you have no answer to the continuing banking and capital wealth drain away from 99% of the Western population, I don't see what you have of interest to me on the subject. Obviously your so called "rabid socialism" is rather a bit of an exaggeration, and  a bit of a pussy cat. 

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Jews are not a race any more than Christians are a race. To be a race people must have a common ancestory and Jews come from many parts of the world. The Ashkenazi Jews come mainly from Eastern Europe, Sephardi Jews come mainly from the Middle East and there are Falasha Jews from Africa. They look as different as any three white, Asian or African people look. The hatred and discriminatory laws cover race, religion and sexual orientation, three different ways bigots can target minority groups. Anti Semitism is not racism in the strictest meaning of the word. It is however just as sick.

There is a lot of disagreement about this. Lots of research points toward a common Jewish ancestry in the Middle East. Some have claimed origins in the Khazars. There are major splits in the scientific, religious & political communities over this. As for the Falashas, there is a tradition that their community, largely in Ethiopia, were directly descended from the Queen of Sheba - that tradition has been disputed but their Jewish roots are believed to go back at least 2000 years.

Looks aren't everything - it's the research into genetic markers that is more important. When I asked a Jewish acquaintance how he accounted for his ginger hair his simple answer was "rape" - to which I'd also add "conversion".

Winter Green wrote:

So, basically, you have no right wing answer at all as to how to punish the bankers who have trousered so much money through rigging a mad property bubble and then through more unethical and several systemic illegal means such as LIBOR. And what's more you have no answer as to how to stop it happening again and again ?
Thought not. That was all I asked for. What I didn't ask for was yet another anti semite opportunity. The only person who forgot that the banking bunch includes WASPs and many others, was you in your initial comments, and yet for someone who is so careful with every single word, you just use this chance to once again refer to the Jewish banking community alone, with no mention of the others. You can't resist it and you sound blind in one eye to me.
In any event, if you have no answer to the continuing banking and capital wealth drain away from 99% of the Western population, I don't see what you have of interest to me on the subject. Obviously your so called "rabid socialism" is rather a bit of an exaggeration, and  a bit of a pussy cat. 

Man but you have got a big old stick up your ass haven't you?

You might take a moment to check out the thread which is about Anelka and bitches bleating wrongly about anti semitism. I am shore if you would like to start up a thread extolling your views on the banking sector in general no one will pay it any attention. Me, I think it is shame that poor people are allowed access to th'interweb so they can whine and bitch about the wealth creators without who there would be nobody to actually pay their benefits.

Quite a few reds in the ranks knecht. My paternal Grandfathers uncle was a local wrestling champion back in some Polish schtetl who was known as 'The Red Bear', news of which caused my 10 year old great excitement, thinking he was descended from some kind of WWE champion!

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Winter Green wrote:

So, basically, you have no right wing answer at all as to how to punish the bankers who have trousered so much money through rigging a mad property bubble and then through more unethical and several systemic illegal means such as LIBOR. And what's more you have no answer as to how to stop it happening again and again ?
Thought not. That was all I asked for. What I didn't ask for was yet another anti semite opportunity. The only person who forgot that the banking bunch includes WASPs and many others, was you in your initial comments, and yet for someone who is so careful with every single word, you just use this chance to once again refer to the Jewish banking community alone, with no mention of the others. You can't resist it and you sound blind in one eye to me.
In any event, if you have no answer to the continuing banking and capital wealth drain away from 99% of the Western population, I don't see what you have of interest to me on the subject. Obviously your so called "rabid socialism" is rather a bit of an exaggeration, and  a bit of a pussy cat. 

Man but you have got a big old stick up your ass haven't you?

You might take a moment to check out the thread which is about Anelka and bitches bleating wrongly about anti semitism. I am shore if you would like to start up a thread extolling your views on the banking sector in general no one will pay it any attention. Me, I think it is shame that poor people are allowed access to th'interweb so they can whine and bitch about the wealth creators without who there would be nobody to actually pay their benefits.

Nope, still can't see the rabid socialist in you, Tiddles.  Maybe I'm missing something in the translation

knecht wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Jews are not a race any more than Christians are a race. To be a race people must have a common ancestory and Jews come from many parts of the world. The Ashkenazi Jews come mainly from Eastern Europe, Sephardi Jews come mainly from the Middle East and there are Falasha Jews from Africa. They look as different as any three white, Asian or African people look. The hatred and discriminatory laws cover race, religion and sexual orientation, three different ways bigots can target minority groups. Anti Semitism is not racism in the strictest meaning of the word. It is however just as sick.

There is a lot of disagreement about this. Lots of research points toward a common Jewish ancestry in the Middle East. Some have claimed origins in the Khazars. There are major splits in the scientific, religious & political communities over this. As for the Falashas, there is a tradition that their community, largely in Ethiopia, were directly descended from the Queen of Sheba - that tradition has been disputed but their Jewish roots are believed to go back at least 2000 years.

Looks aren't everything - it's the research into genetic markers that is more important. When I asked a Jewish acquaintance how he accounted for his ginger hair his simple answer was "rape" - to which I'd also add "conversion".

As, depending upon whose version one believes, we all came from a couple of nudists in a garden or a few minkeys who jumped down from a tree and set off on a major hike from the Rift Valley, the whole issue should be moot..

All religion is bollocks designed by some clever bastards to exercise control over the weak minded, I don't believe they should be banned, I'm not into banning much beyond violence, but government of the people should be secular and religious nut bags of all flavours should have no prioritised input.

Hate to agree with Tis but do this time.

It's not as simple as that, though, is it. Mortality is a curved ball, and there are plenty of human constructs out there, including science. They all attempt to explain our existence, for which there is a need, and are usually a code of handling one's environment and climate. One can just as easily say rationalism, kings, queens, capitalism, socialism, various governing philosophies are designed to fool the weak willed as much as "religion". Such things go nowhere, solve nothing. If enough humans think something to be true, it will have an effect, and will be capable of a sort of power, whether people like it or not. Of course religious people should not hold more sway than non believers, but nor should scientists, "rich" people or thugs like Saddam or Edward Longshanks. But they end up doing so.
I have no idea where humans come from, in the same way no one knows if there was a big bang. It's all supposition, pointless, and ripe for various interpretations depending on fashion and cowboy science that fits the bill at the time. I belong to none of the main religions but personally believe the "spirtual" needs of human beings should hold some sort of weight in tribal deliberations of how life should be led. I do not believe the lathe should dominate.