The brent appreciation society meeting!

Will prayer mats be provided or is it bring your own?

Richard Blight wrote:

Greensleeves,

for what it's worth if I can get someone to ask the questions I'ld like asked, I'll almost guarantee there will not be a straight answer.

Richard...questions by proxy?...no no..face to face...stand up and be counted ...if you cant make it then tough...your questions wont be asked...

greensleeves wrote:

Richard Blight wrote:

Greensleeves,

for what it's worth if I can get someone to ask the questions I'ld like asked, I'll almost guarantee there will not be a straight answer.

Richard...questions by proxy?...no no..face to face...stand up and be counted ...if you cant make it then tough...your questions wont be asked...

How convenient for Brent and the Board.

What question will you be asking Greensleeves?

Czarcasm wrote:

or maybe this...?

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Sarky ...we may be bad but we are no longer that bad.Even you must be able to see an improvement this season from the last two.Not the finished article granted but the club has been on hard times.

greensleeves wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

or maybe this...?

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Sarky ...we may be bad but we are no longer that bad.Even you must be able to see an improvement this season from the last two.Not the finished article granted but the club has been on hard times.

 

yes lifes never been so grand has it?

enjoy the ride.

BRENT OUT


A spell in the conference ? look how well (sic) barnet & alderhsot are doing.

Graham Clark has posted over on the farm re the meeting.Well worth a read.

greensleeves wrote:

Richard Blight wrote:

Greensleeves,

for what it's worth if I can get someone to ask the questions I'ld like asked, I'll almost guarantee there will not be a straight answer.

Richard...questions by proxy?...no no..face to face...stand up and be counted ...if you cant make it then tough...your questions wont be asked...[/quote]



Maybe that's the idea behind a meeting that a lot of people can't attend / get to...

I don't need to stand up and be counted mate! I've been asking questions using my own name for a long time, some of those were face to face as well.

This stand up and be counted is bullshit as well. The vast majority of fans know absolutely sod all about this little Q&A because it's only been talked about on here and Pasoti. The PASB and the Trust have asked questions that haven't been answered and I don't expect that to change.

So what earth shatteringly difficult question are you going to ask? "What colour are the seats going to be in the new stand?"

My interest for even a half decent and successful Club has now dwindled, The Club has been sold a kipper with the help of a few fans, one of whom and despite our past 'banter', not in a million years did I believe him so selfish that he would be prepared to sacrifice the Club he claimed to love for his own position and ego.

None-the-less, it is done and dusted and the battle lost. My interest now is to keenly watch those involved at local political levels in the hope of denying Brent the opportunity to ride rough shot over the City of Plymouth's future.

There should be no question that need answering because all the questions that need answering have been asked.  This is a vehicle for The President to show he has the ear of Brent and for Brent to manoeuvre his own PASB and the sent to Coventry trust further out of the way.  WitnessBrents cheerleader in chief the p(r)oxy associate director saying that it would be wrong for the Trust or PASB to ask questions on behalf of its members.  This despite the PASB supposedly being representative of Argyles 20000 stakeholders.

Dougie wrote:

There should be no question that need answering because all the questions that need answering have been asked.  This is a vehicle for The President to show he has the ear of Brent and for Brent to manoeuvre his own PASB and the sent to Coventry trust further out of the way.  WitnessBrents cheerleader in chief the p(r)oxy associate director saying that it would be wrong for the Trust or PASB to ask questions on behalf of its members.  This despite the PASB supposedly being representative of Argyles 20000 stakeholders.

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By not having Proxy questions you are 'localizing' the event. Exactly what Newell wants, Plymouth Janners only. No emmets.

Provincial.

Freathy wrote:

greensleeves wrote:

Time to move on.At least the club will have a  brand new grandstand and four sides to the ground, which is a lot better than the sorry state that the Mayflower had become under Stapleton & Co,and Dan the Man before him.

"Just get it built"
"It's better than what's there now"

What sort of Argyle fan worthy of the name could ever want brent's piece of shit built reducing ground capicty to 16k and then boxing in the ground so it can NEVER be expanded for the next 50 years at least.  All so your beloved brent can fatten his pension fund.

With 'fans' like you, the club doesn't need enemies.

Again, this^. There are non so blind as those that can not see.

As the meeting is being organised by PAFC surely they should be setting out the procedures for asking questions.

My interest now is to keenly watch those involved at local political levels in the hope of denying Brent the opportunity to ride rough shot over the City of Plymouth's future.


Boom.

Graham's idea is an excellent one. The meeting IMO is too early. The Trust and the PASB are there to represent their members and the fanbase ( allegedly ) so what is wrong with our elected fans asking questions on behalf of the rest of the fans.

So I'm expecting pm's from some Trust and / or PASB people so they can ask my questions.

Dingle wrote:

As the meeting is being organised by PAFC surely they should be setting out the procedures for asking questions.

I wonder who will be chairing the question session / picking out the questioners?

Didn't GC start all off this BS with a request for a Q&A on pasoti, the site that is well known for its corrupted values and deceitful owners/moderators that make no attempt to hide their pro Brent agenda and in which case, would render the whole concept, stupid and idiotic?

Since then GC's idea has been jumped on by webb and will without any doubt, be used as a PR stunt for Brent to promote him and to claim full fan support for his development of HHP in a public forum that we are all well aware is simply a 'pasoti only' public forum.

If you play with the Devil you get your fingers burnt!

greensleeves wrote:

You will be "fully informed" meaning proper answers rather than internet stories.This is nothing to do with the PASB.. Never was...This is a meet the Board Event.Don't confuse the two. If Uncle Tom Cobley turns up,then his questions will be answered.The grandstand is done and dusted,no good going on about that,it has been explained time and time again why the grandstand is the size it is. Time to move on.At least the club will have a  brand new grandstand and four sides to the ground, which is a lot better than the sorry state that the Mayflower had become under Stapleton & Co,and Dan the Man before him.

 
 
 
hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
dan to blame for decaying mayflower ? i seem to recall a LOT of opposition to his tradium plans that would have seen a much bigger ground then the 16k shoe box stadia.
 
a smaller ground will lead to higher ticket prices should argyle ever be in a chance of competing at a higher level than currently.
time to move on? yes 4k have moved on to do something else every other week.

Tony Cholwell on the Pasoti thread p13 wrote:

The PASB are allowed 5 questions at each joint meeting, this meeting will have no such arbitrary limit and so be it a fans bar, transparency, state of pasties or the wrong colour green, go along and have your say.

The PASB, including many Trust Board members have a long standing meeting arranged for 11am that day bit will be in attendance at the beginning, although not everyone has confirmed their intentions. I am sure any one wishing their question to be asked will be helped. The PASB can be contacted either via me here or [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] We will arrange for the notification of the meeting to be on our website and invite questions.

Some nice little nuggets there.

The PASB are only allowed five questions at each joint meeting?  It is quite frankly pathetic, that the PASB agreed to that in their beloved TOR.

What else is in this TOR?

And yes...  The PAFC Board did schedule the 'meet the fan fest' the same day that fans reps would be meeting.  Unbelievable.

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GOB wrote:

My interest for even a half decent and successful Club has now dwindled, The Club has been sold a kipper with the help of a few fans, one of whom and despite our past 'banter', not in a million years did I believe him so selfish that he would be prepared to sacrifice the Club he claimed to love for his own position and ego.

None-the-less, it is done and dusted and the battle lost. My interest now is to keenly watch those involved at local political levels in the hope of denying Brent the opportunity to ride rough shot over the City of Plymouth's future.

Top post Gob - the kids in the sweet shop have raked it!! I still travel to the odd game but even that is more about the session (hic) on the train, interspersed with 90 minutes of heartache - I'm not so sure the lost fans will come back in droves even if they hit a purple patch!! Sickening

PAVFC.............. geddon  

@greensleeves, I am sorry but the Brent apologists like you make me want to puke, you and others like you have supported the complete buttfuckin of the club ever since Brent rode up on his tame pig. We were first told that he's not a property developer, then that we were going to have a splendid two tier stand with club income being provided by the retail units. No mention of any school, dentists or offices pitch side. Porky nearly shit a brick when Heaney was going to build a cinema backed up by all the sheeple who can't wait to fellate Brent because he's a mild mannered gentleman who although having no track record in delivering large scale projects is just what we need? And before you tell us that this is a new and open regime who can't wait to let all the fans in the day to day running of PAAFC why has he ordained the meeting to be early in the morning whilst the largely ignored pasb are at another meeting?
Unfortunately it's also us fans that wanted something fitting built for Argyle that have to suffer having our ambition capped, all you apologising, forelock tugging grateful for getting raped yes men are more than tedious, you really make my blood boil, as guilty and Brent, as guilty as the Porkster, maybe someone could ask at the meeting for a Muriel to show Brent being aided and abetted to increase his wealth by all the argyle fans who helped him?

Iggy wrote:

@greensleeves,  I am sorry but the Brent apologists like you make me want to puke, you and others like you have supported the complete buttfuckin of the club ever since Brent rode up on his tame pig. We were first told that he's not a property developer, then that we were going to have a splendid two tier stand with club income being provided by the retail units. No mention of any school, dentists or offices pitch side. Porky nearly shit a brick when Heaney was going to build a cinema backed up by all the sheeple who can't wait to fellate Brent because he's a mild mannered gentleman who although having no track record in delivering large scale projects is just what we need? And before you tell us that this is a new and open regime who can't wait to let all the fans in the day to day running of PAAFC why has he ordained the meeting to be early in the morning whilst the largely ignored pasb are at another meeting?
Unfortunately it's also us fans that wanted something fitting built for Argyle that have to suffer having our ambition capped, all you apologising, forelock tugging grateful for getting raped yes men are more than tedious, you really make my blood boil, as guilty and Brent, as guilty as the Porkster, maybe someone could ask at the meeting for a Muriel to show Brent being aided and abetted to increase his wealth by all the argyle fans who helped him?

 

Another good post by Graham Clark, but there does seem to be a difference in rhetoric regarding this meeting between GC and the President-

President Greenman wrote:

I have spoken to JB and asked for a fans meeting. The Club were more than happy with this and something is being arranged as we speak which will hopefully include it being shown live on ArgylePlayer.

Graham Clark wrote:

It is inevitable that there will be distrust and discontent surrounding what seems to be a hurriedly arranged meeting between the Chairman and members of his Board and the supporters. That they had to be persuaded to do it in the first place could be deemed disappointing but the nature of the original announcement and the delay between its formal announcement can only be described as unfortunate and unnecessary.

I know whose words I trust and its not the multi-user name trolling President.

Every question will eventually prompt an answer along the lines of "we'd like to but the budget doesn't support it".

Our problem is that there isn't anything published that shows what the budgets might be, what income is, any sort of breakdown as to how the budgets are spent or pretty much anything at all in a financial sense.

With regards to the ground we don't know how much the stand will cost to build, what the predicted income streams are, what the profit margins on all of that are just as we don't know how the whole HHP project is funded or how our bit is funded or what the breakdown of any of that is. All we have to go on is trust that the "figures don't add up" or "a bigger stand is unaffordable" or "the retail units all have to be leased out" or "there has to be a school" or there "has to be a dentist" and our recent history tells us, if it tells us anything at all, to question everything, accept nothing, check the figures and get everything in writing. In fact it compels us to demand the openness and transparency that was once so close to Brent's heart.

And all of that applies to the team too. What is the club's turnover, how much of the 55% of that goes to Sheridan, how much of that is swallowed up by historic debt and just how competitive is our competitive budget?

And all of that applies to the future too. Exactly how will the new stand benefit the club in terms of money it has to spend on players? Exactly how are we going to meet our requirements regarding the balloon payment at the end of the 5 years because right now it looks like we have no chance of doing it without absolutely destroying the playing budget.

And all of that means that the club publishes some real, accurate, verified and verifiable accounts and income/cost projections. It could be called something like a "business plan" which I believe are all the rage in some quarters.

And so far the club has shown absolutely no inclination at all to do so.

So "go along and ask what you like" is all well and good but we don't have even a tiny portion of the information we might need access to on which to base some sensible questions about the stuff that really, really matters.