PAFC Planning Applications now online

Greenjock wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Does HP count as out of town or out of city centre? Just thinking they might class out of town outside of the city limits?





I'm trying to find out if the development counts as city centre or not. If it isn't then there's a helluva piece of legislation to quote with objections 

I reckon out of city would be anything out of the main centre of Plymouth where all of the main shops etc are.

PL2 is the city centre. Geographically, Derriford Hospital is the centre.

If this "plan" goes tits up sending Brent packing, and the super-fans into exile with their tails between their legs i will punch the air in delight!!!!
Its looking better now folks!!

punchdrunk wrote:

Its looking better now folks!!

Is it?

Apart from a few Argyle fans complaining on message boards and a few replies to the Herald, I don't see anything anywhere, to suggest Brent's plans won't just sail through?


The development being stopped or even amended in any meaningful way, seems more wishful thinking by some, than anything else?

What I believe and happy to be corrected here is that we need to send our objections to the Secretary of State via this link on the grounds set out as below- as well as sending them to PCC

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mannameadbabe wrote:

What I believe and happy to be corrected here is that we need to send our objections to the Secretary of State via this link on the grounds set out as below- as well as sending them to PCC

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No need for corrections mannameadbabe.

If you would like to quote the relevant sections of NATIONAL LAW check links as per sticky thread.

Clears up if HHP is "out of town" too.

green_genie wrote:

I was a bit concerened with the source link I provided earlier stating that Secretary of State should be called in, but here is the Government Online #LINK# containing the relevant pdf, which states that any out of town retail over 5,000 sqm must be referred.

“out-of-centre” means a location which is not in, or on the edge of, a town centre but not necessarily outside the urban area;

Circular and Direction THE TOWN AND COUNTRY PLANNING (CONSULTATION) (ENGLAND) DIRECTION 2009

Quote :

Where, by virtue of paragraph 9, a local planning authority is required to consult the
Secretary of State, they shall as soon as practicable send to the Secretary of State at the
appropriate Government Office for the Region –
(a) a copy of the application (including copies of any accompanying plans, drawings
and any appropriate flood risk assessment) and supporting information;
(b) a copy of the requisite notice;
(c) a copy of any representations made to the authority in respect of the application;
(d) a copy of any report on the application prepared by an officer of the authority;
(e) unless contained in a report supplied pursuant to sub-paragraph (d), a statement
of the material considerations which the authority consider indicate a departure
application should be determined otherwise than in accordance with s.38(6) of
the Planning and Compulsory Purchase Act 20043.

EDIT. PCC only have to refer to Secretary of State if the intend to pass the planning application, so this is a little way off yet.

Lorna Meldrum who was leading light in FoCP when the AAP was being put together has had her letter published.

### Planning Portal link ##


Lorna take a bow.

Sylvia Day's shares similar themes ## another pdf ## and there are some crackers on here ## multiple 24/06 ##

Noticed that some are now being published without addresses, ironically including REAL FRIENDS.

It was mentioned that similar emails might be treated as a petition. If this is the case think most of the c&p efforts from tw@tter in support could be heading that way.

I checked the updated additions yesterday and still no Newell and Webb. I'm surprised Akkeron haven't submitted anything either. I am assuming James Brent could submit a letter of support himself as an individual.

There was an objection re: noise pollution that sited the GT's tent as being a current issue where loud and offensive songs can be heard from a distance away after matches.

The more I read of the detailed objections, the more I believe the current plan won't be approved - time will tell.

I've always believed brents plan is so flawed that it would more likely not be approved in it's present form.  I have seen nothing to change that view.

This Goverment policy is a part of my objection you can find more at this site on this policy

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Dental practise and a school have no place in a park
 
The Town Centre First planning policy
 
 Improving high streets and town centres which came into effect last March, is supposed to require planning authorities to encourage development within town centres before looking out at out-of-town sites.
 
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 The government recognises that our high streets have to offer something new The Town Centre First planning policy different that neither shopping centres nor the internet can match. They need to offer an experience that goes beyond retail - the high street should be a destination for socialising, culture, health, well-being, creativity and learning, with schools, doctors’ surgeries and offices along with shops. Our high streets should be social places that make creative use of public spaces and with a vibrant evening economy.

Good point Jock.  Once again I'll observe (and not just cos mine's up there now) - the objections are so much better articulated than the 'geddon and build it JB' brigade messages of support.  And the groundswell against seems to be gathering momentum.  I just don't see how the plan can be approved as it stands and without some significant change.

Freathy wrote:

I've always believed brents plan is so flawed that it would more likely not be approved in it's present form.  I have seen nothing to change that view.

If that is the case then why would Brent and his team put forward these proposals?

If Brent has submitted his ideal scenario in the knowledge that a compromise solution still works what is expendable in the plan? (save for a smaller stand of course).

Is this an all or nothing submission?

As it stands I still have it as 1/3 that Brent gets the nod...20/1 it's thrown out and unworkable for Brent.

Realistically I can see it going through with a few minor amendments and adjustments to fit in with whatever requirements are deemed to have been breached. Nothing significant will change, unfortunately.

Brent likes to play the double bluff and my guess is that he is playing his "hope" hand but will have another to play if this falls on its face, in fact I wouldn't mind betting that he expects it to fall flat on its face so I don't think this is his "all or nothing" submission. 

If it is his all or nothing submission and he loses out then we should expect the Jones's Newell's and Webb's to start upping the anti on the threats regarding the future of the Club.

There's still a week to go and the momentum is starting to build already so my bet is that the opposition is going to be pretty huge.

green_genie wrote:

Lorna Meldrum who was leading light in FoCP when the AAP was being put together has had her letter published.

### Planning Portal link ##


Lorna take a bow.

Sylvia Day's shares similar themes ## another pdf ## and there are some crackers on here ## multiple 24/06 ##

Noticed that some are now being published without addresses, ironically including REAL FRIENDS.

It was mentioned that similar emails might be treated as a petition. If this is the case think most of the c&p efforts from tw@tter in support could be heading that way.

I notice quite a number of residents of Peverell are unhappy with the development due to the impact on parking in the area- which is currently a nightmare in certain parts.

I see a couple of emails from Andrew Brooks and Pete Gordon- bloody foreigners aren't allowed to comment *

*unless they work for a certain associate director or are REAL FRIENDS of the associate director

At the very most i except there to be at least some adjustments to the plans before the ground is broken. I simply dont believe the council will approve that clusterfuck in its current state.

Brent would not have submitted the plans before he got the nod from the planners, they have may well of raised some concerns but he has said he is willing to try for them, amendments can and will happen, But not major ones. If the scheme is turned down he will have to appeal and that is long and costly, this is why the nod is looked for before plans go in.

JB will have thought that PCC political will would force through the plans

His greed to include the >5000sq m of retail / leisure triggering the referral to Secretary of State for Planning must have been an oversight by his professionals

green_genie wrote:

JB will have thought that PCC political will would force through the plans

His greed to include the >5000sq m of retail / leisure triggering the referral to Secretary of State for Planning must have been an oversight by his professionals

Unbelievable if that is the case - and not very professional at all.  

I am amazed at all the f*ckwittery surrounding this debacle - the drip-drip of information, the smoke and mirrors and deliberate ploy to mis-lead people, the useless and relentless PR machine serving up rubbish and the deployment of the bully boys.  I think that some coaching in how to conduct themselves professionally would be useful for Akkeron and the PAFC Board!  

mannameadbabe wrote:

green_genie wrote:

JB will have thought that PCC political will would force through the plans

His greed to include the >5000sq m of retail / leisure triggering the referral to Secretary of State for Planning must have been an oversight by his professionals

Unbelievable if that is the case - and not very professional at all.  

I am amazed at all the f*ckwittery surrounding this debacle - the drip-drip of information, the smoke and mirrors and deliberate ploy to mis-lead people, the useless and relentless PR machine serving up rubbish and the deployment of the bully boys.  I think that some coaching in how to conduct themselves professionally would be useful for Akkeron and the PAFC Board!  

I think its indicative of how bad the plans actually are. If they were THAT good then none of the nonsense would be happening - the development would sell itself. Does anyone really think that a row of shops stuck down a damp dark alley at the back of a football stand is going to succeed? What passing traffic do they hope to attract? Will people driving down Outland Road think that a trip to HHP will be worth it or will they just continue to Drakes Circus? Would you rather stay at a hotel on the Hoe and look out onto the Sound or drive around HP and hope that the road isn't closed when you want to leave? Why are there going to be 1500 seats at the Ice Rink but no professional ice hockey team (or multi use for the Raiders). A successful cinema should generate business for the restaurant chains that Brent hopes to attract but that is not a cast iron guarantee of success. And don't get me started on the corner flag school and dentists.....

Its not progress or "World Class". Its a load of bollocks.

mannameadbabe wrote:

green_genie wrote:

JB will have thought that PCC political will would force through the plans

His greed to include the >5000sq m of retail / leisure triggering the referral to Secretary of State for Planning must have been an oversight by his professionals

Unbelievable if that is the case - and not very professional at all.  

I am amazed at all the f*ckwittery surrounding this debacle - the drip-drip of information, the smoke and mirrors and deliberate ploy to mis-lead people, the useless and relentless PR machine serving up rubbish and the deployment of the bully boys.  I think that some coaching in how to conduct themselves professionally would be useful for Akkeron and the PAFC Board!  

I completely agree, the methods that Brents associates use for his business dealings should be a concern for all and should be brought to the attention of anyone in a position that deals with Brent on behalf of Council Tax payers. The whole affair has shown an eye opening and staggering level of threat, intimidation and abuse.

Frank Bullitt wrote:

mannameadbabe wrote:

green_genie wrote:

JB will have thought that PCC political will would force through the plans

His greed to include the >5000sq m of retail / leisure triggering the referral to Secretary of State for Planning must have been an oversight by his professionals

Unbelievable if that is the case - and not very professional at all.  

I am amazed at all the f*ckwittery surrounding this debacle - the drip-drip of information, the smoke and mirrors and deliberate ploy to mis-lead people, the useless and relentless PR machine serving up rubbish and the deployment of the bully boys.  I think that some coaching in how to conduct themselves professionally would be useful for Akkeron and the PAFC Board!  

I think its indicative of how bad the plans actually are. If they were THAT good then none of the nonsense would be happening - the development would sell itself. Does anyone really think that a row of shops stuck down a damp dark alley at the back of a football stand is going to succeed? What passing traffic do they hope to attract? Will people driving down Outland Road think that a trip to HHP will be worth it or will they just continue to Drakes Circus? Would you rather stay at a hotel on the Hoe and look out onto the Sound or drive around HP and hope that the road isn't closed when you want to leave? Why are there going to be 1500 seats at the Ice Rink but no professional ice hockey team (or multi use for the Raiders). A successful cinema should generate business for the restaurant chains that Brent hopes to attract but that is not a cast iron guarantee of success. And don't get me started on the corner flag school and dentists.....

Its not progress or "World Class". Its a load of bollocks.

But it will make Plymouth a city to be proud of with another Premier Inn type hotel, a small ice rink, a 10 screen cinema (which we already have) and some more Nando's/ Macdonalds and Salt Rock outlets (which we already have).

I read someone (think it was a support letter) suggesting that top sports stars will stay in the HHP hotel- will they bollox- they'll want to stay somewhere decent in town/ or on the Hoe.