The Grandstand plans - a PAS Board update

Is Bond supplying the wood?

Dougie wrote:

Nice work. Send them to Brent, Akkeron, IJN and the PASB. Something uniquely Argyle about it.

Well that should knock £9.98mill off the £10mill, just tell me this a f*ckin dream or should I say nightmare! What a wank*r!

[quote="Sir Francis Drake"][quote="jabba the gut ecfc"][quote="Sir Francis Drake"]

jabba the gut ecfc wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

So how many turned up for the Torquay game last season when Argyle were bottom of League 2? Around 11-12k I think it was, at the bottom of League 2...

Anyway we've already proven that a 20000 capacity cannot compete for long in the Championship so if we want to go back there and stay there we need more.
.

2010, 23rd place, att 10,316
2009, 21st place, att, 11,427
2008, 10th place, att 13,000
2007, 11th place, att 13,012
2006, 14th place, att 13,776
2005, 17th place, att 16,420

Thats the figures!

2008, Holloways glory year, chasing the play-offs and an average of 13k in the stands!!

Freathy wrote:

I'm partly comforted by the possibility that none of this Higher Home Park development will ever be built. And so neither will this abomination of a 'stand'. There's a long way to go yet before any of these contemptous plans are realised. I'm hopeful we may yet see the odious scumbag brent disappearing up the A38, preferably with his equally less than fragrant entourage behind him, before a single bulldozer appears at Home Park.

I wouldnt be so sure about that, this will be up and running before we know it. And as for Brent, he will sell up he said that, but where is the buyer coming from?

All you do is keep harping on about BRENT OUT!!!, GET OUT OF MY CLUB!

You got someone lined up then, as you keep talking about this person with vision and ambition so, somethig your not telling us, or is your alarm clock on permanent snooze, and your still stuck in your dream!

125+1 wrote:

Freathy wrote:

I'm partly comforted by the possibility that none of this Higher Home Park development will ever be built. And so neither will this abomination of a 'stand'. There's a long way to go yet before any of these contemptous plans are realised. I'm hopeful we may yet see the odious scumbag brent disappearing up the A38, preferably with his equally less than fragrant entourage behind him, before a single bulldozer appears at Home Park.

I wouldnt be so sure about that, this will be up and running before we know it. And as for Brent, he will sell up he said that, but where is the buyer coming from?

All you do is keep harping on about BRENT OUT!!!, GET OUT OF MY CLUB!

You got someone lined up then, as you keep talking about this person with vision and ambition so, somethig your not telling us, or is your alarm clock on permanent snooze, and your still stuck in your dream!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to your lack of wisdom

Greenjock wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Iggy wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Angry of Manchester wrote:

What a condescending post!!!! i feel this aviva in training needs his own reality check if he truly believes what he wrote and yes it is small time thinking have a bit of ambition for the future otherwise why should future fans.

Because of over AMBITION we are a broke league 2 club in rented accomadation!

Oh have you just discovered the word condescending, or is that your word of the day (ref other threads)

Because of Brent we are in rented accommodation, do you remember him selling the ground to the council and then using the money to buy the car park? I believe it is now owned by his pension fund. We have been asset stripped by him, period. Yes we are stuck with him but he is in it for himself so get your tongue out of his arse and wake up boy, he is going to have to work hard to repay what he is taking from the club.

Do you not remember 17 million debts and a real threat of liquidation!.

Very Bizzare how a majority of people moaning wanted liquidation and a fan run club, with 1500 people turning up on a saturday in the 10th tier of the football pyramid, with no money, no ground,no atmophere and no chance of league football for 10 years.

What we have is not great, and the development is not great, but its adequate.

It's not adequate at all, it's crap and you know it. It is the last chance to develop the ground and have ambitions and Brent has stuck two fingers up to the fans and will make millions out of the redevelopment of Higher Home Park and the Pavillions.

What's also crap is the talk of £17 million in debts because Brent spent nearer £17 than £17 million. Anyone of a suspicious nature might think that you're Peter Jones with another account on a forum

These plans mean Argyle will lag behind other ambitious sides for years to come. Go into League 1 and do well and sorry but the full house signs will come out. Small town mentality once again and I can't believe people are trying to defend it! Try getting Brent to scale down the Ice Rink or cinema? Won't be happening I guarantee you.

James Brent is no better than Heaney, in fact Heaney was actually ambitious for Truro City and would have probably taken this opportunity to make the stadium 25k capacity, even if it was with someone elses money.

Great post on Pasoti by EJH:


Honourable man the utter irony!

If Ridsdale or Heaney came in, and totally blanked, disengaged and discredited the Trust, for no apparent reason
Oversaw dozes more redundancies at the club, no explanation
Sat on increasing debt, refused to publish accounts
Projected club finances on awful unrealistic ST predictions
Went around trying to flog our big earning, most important senior players in January
Then tried to enforce this non league Grandstand on the club whilst openly interested in making tens of millions in other development projects

Again, think of Ridsdale and Heaney doing that in a calendar year, they'd be strung up, reviled and despised, and chased out of the club.

But make that figure soft spoken, and let him have an inner circle with a few Internet figures, and they bend over backwards to paint him as Jesus, and support his anti trust, poxy stand multi million making development agenda.

What has JB done to make everyone dote on his 'honour' in spite of the actual things he has said and done? Where is the honour in clearly only bring here to use the club in making a fortune.

If he cared about this club so much, he wouldn't keep getting this Mayflower issue spectacularly wrong. Stapleton wouldn't have entertained a 4,000 redevelopment because it wouldn't have suited the club's Championship or higher ambitions - so what exactly is Brent's vision for this club? It's genuinely frightening.

Just because Brent paid pittance we were 17 million in debt hence Admin!!!!!!!!, at the end of the day he is a business man, thats what he does.

The club is in a far better position now then it was 2 years ago, and in time will only get stronger. But lets get real here, to many are still chasing the Prem dream, it wont happen, our location is wrong, the people of Plymouth are not really interested in PAFC, thats a fact. you only have to look and the Championship average figures to see that. The first season was a bandwagon season, and despite our league position getting higher for four years, our attendance dropped dramatically and thats a FACT.

256,000 people in the City and and we get around 3-4% going to the football matches, also bear in mind the cornish support aswell.

We are not a big club like some like to think, we are a small club in a decent sized city that is proven to dislike supporting thier local club

Angry of Manchester wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Freathy wrote:

I'm partly comforted by the possibility that none of this Higher Home Park development will ever be built. And so neither will this abomination of a 'stand'. There's a long way to go yet before any of these contemptous plans are realised. I'm hopeful we may yet see the odious scumbag brent disappearing up the A38, preferably with his equally less than fragrant entourage behind him, before a single bulldozer appears at Home Park.

I wouldnt be so sure about that, this will be up and running before we know it. And as for Brent, he will sell up he said that, but where is the buyer coming from?

All you do is keep harping on about BRENT OUT!!!, GET OUT OF MY CLUB!

You got someone lined up then, as you keep talking about this person with vision and ambition so, somethig your not telling us, or is your alarm clock on permanent snooze, and your still stuck in your dream!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to your lack of wisdom

That doesnt make any sense, so that makes you more of an idiot than i thought you were

125+1 wrote:

Angry of Manchester wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Freathy wrote:

I'm partly comforted by the possibility that none of this Higher Home Park development will ever be built. And so neither will this abomination of a 'stand'. There's a long way to go yet before any of these contemptous plans are realised. I'm hopeful we may yet see the odious scumbag brent disappearing up the A38, preferably with his equally less than fragrant entourage behind him, before a single bulldozer appears at Home Park.

I wouldnt be so sure about that, this will be up and running before we know it. And as for Brent, he will sell up he said that, but where is the buyer coming from?

All you do is keep harping on about BRENT OUT!!!, GET OUT OF MY CLUB!

You got someone lined up then, as you keep talking about this person with vision and ambition so, somethig your not telling us, or is your alarm clock on permanent snooze, and your still stuck in your dream!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to your lack of wisdom

That doesnt make any sense, so that makes you more of an idiot than i thought you were

You are a very simple minded jannar at the end of the day. Using the same old tactics staplewallet fans used to use to try and stop folk asking for hm to move on. Put the club up for sale you will soon see some interested buyers maybe even Ken Bates if rumours are to be believed

[quote="125+1"][quote="Sir Francis Drake"][quote="jabba the gut ecfc"]

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

jabba the gut ecfc wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

So how many turned up for the Torquay game last season when Argyle were bottom of League 2? Around 11-12k I think it was, at the bottom of League 2...

Anyway we've already proven that a 20000 capacity cannot compete for long in the Championship so if we want to go back there and stay there we need more.
.

2010, 23rd place, att 10,316
2009, 21st place, att, 11,427
2008, 10th place, att 13,000
2007, 11th place, att 13,012
2006, 14th place, att 13,776
2005, 17th place, att 16,420

Thats the figures!

2008, Holloways glory year, chasing the play-offs and an average of 13k in the stands!!

green sam has it about right below. Give the people a reason to believe and they will come. It was obvious to some of us and the wider potential fanbase that the Stapes' model was outclassed and doomed to failure. With a quality stadium and some cash backed ambition, it could have been so much different.The irony is that Stapes' supporters, now supporting Brent, used to look down on Cardiff, spending beyond their means. We trusted in Stapes. Look where they are now !
Once PL status has been achieved, if only for one season,the fanbase will grow dramatically, as at the likes of Norwich and Southampton. To be big, you have to think and act big. Something PAFC has never done. The clubs Sam mentions all have, and none of them are potentially bigger than Argyle.

"Did Swansea, getting crowds no bigger than ours now and bottom of League Two ten years ago settle for planning a 17,000 stadium?

Did Brighton, getting smaller crowds than we are now and doing averagely in League Two 15 years ago settle for planning a 17,000 stadium?

Are Southend, with a smaller average crowd than us this season (despite a better on pitch product) settling for planning a 17,000 stadium?

The answer is no, none of them are. They're all planning for how things could be with some vision. This is nothing personal against JB or any of those in favour of the argument but I think we as fans should do all we can to stop this grandstand of this size getting built. If we can do that via consultation, great. If not, then I'd rather no stand at all go ahead and some temporary seating be bolted on than this. If and when this stand is built, there is no going back without either entirely rebuilding the Devonport (which won't happen) or moving grounds (which won't happen)."

And this............

derbygreen
Post subject: Re: Home Park RedevelopmentPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:02 pm



Joined: Thu Oct 23, 2003 1:13 pm
Location: Paignton....was Derby
John Petrie words are spot on again. We need to believe. We need to have belief we can achieve more. We need ambition to be seen by the people of Plymouth and others further afield.

I lived in Derby for 13 years and they went from a stadium of 18.5k to Pride Park which is about 34.5k. The population of Derby is less than Plymouth but granted the people of Derby have tasted success and want more and they believe always that they can achieve it again. And no doubt they will with the ground and training facilities in place.

You could compare shopping centres too and is the same again. Why do we do things on the cheap with little aspiration to be the best?

_________________
Gary Taylor

Angry of Manchester wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Angry of Manchester wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Freathy wrote:

I'm partly comforted by the possibility that none of this Higher Home Park development will ever be built. And so neither will this abomination of a 'stand'. There's a long way to go yet before any of these contemptous plans are realised. I'm hopeful we may yet see the odious scumbag brent disappearing up the A38, preferably with his equally less than fragrant entourage behind him, before a single bulldozer appears at Home Park.

I wouldnt be so sure about that, this will be up and running before we know it. And as for Brent, he will sell up he said that, but where is the buyer coming from?

All you do is keep harping on about BRENT OUT!!!, GET OUT OF MY CLUB!

You got someone lined up then, as you keep talking about this person with vision and ambition so, somethig your not telling us, or is your alarm clock on permanent snooze, and your still stuck in your dream!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to your lack of wisdom

That doesnt make any sense, so that makes you more of an idiot than i thought you were

You are a very simple minded jannar at the end of the day. Using the same old tactics staplewallet fans used to use to try and stop folk asking for hm to move on. Put the club up for sale you will soon see some interested buyers maybe even Ken Bates if rumours are to be believed

The differance between me and you is that, i am a working professional at the top of my company, with inteligence and realism with my own opinion and you are just another negative sheep.

Wasnt the club for sale 2 years ago, at a knockdown price!, owner of a half decent squad, stadium, and in a higher division and how may buyers were there queing up????????

[quote="125+1"][quote="Sir Francis Drake"][quote="jabba the gut ecfc"]

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

jabba the gut ecfc wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

So how many turned up for the Torquay game last season when Argyle were bottom of League 2? Around 11-12k I think it was, at the bottom of League 2...

Anyway we've already proven that a 20000 capacity cannot compete for long in the Championship so if we want to go back there and stay there we need more.
.

2010, 23rd place, att 10,316
2009, 21st place, att, 11,427
2008, 10th place, att 13,000
2007, 11th place, att 13,012
2006, 14th place, att 13,776
2005, 17th place, att 16,420

Thats the figures!

2008, Holloways glory year, chasing the play-offs and an average of 13k in the stands!!

I'll ask once more;

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I posted almost the same stuff on PASOTI in order to try to get an explanation from Smiffy but haven't had a reply from him as yet,would be so grateful if you could respond.And while you're about it,here's a few more stats concerning average attendances for first seasons back in the second tier after some years in the wilderness;

Argyle-16420
Bristol City-16276
Cardiff City-15526
Swansea City-15187
Reading-16011

Wow! Top of the pile!Now another question.Would you say that the fact that Argyle,unlike most of the other clubs, underinvested in the team and fought two successive relegation battles had anything to do with the drop off in interest in the following seasons? Football following is very habitual and once you lose 'em,it can be darned difficult to get'em back.Tell you what,lets have a look at what happened to Cardiff after they spent a couple of years in comparative mediocrity,very similar to ours:

Season 2002/3-15526
Season 2003/4-12976
Season 2004/5-11720
Season 2005/6-15223
Season 2006/7-13939

Almost exacly the same pattern as us! Good job they didn't follow your logic and build a 17000 capacity stadium,eh!

125+1 wrote:

Angry of Manchester wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Angry of Manchester wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Freathy wrote:

I'm partly comforted by the possibility that none of this Higher Home Park development will ever be built. And so neither will this abomination of a 'stand'. There's a long way to go yet before any of these contemptous plans are realised. I'm hopeful we may yet see the odious scumbag brent disappearing up the A38, preferably with his equally less than fragrant entourage behind him, before a single bulldozer appears at Home Park.

I wouldnt be so sure about that, this will be up and running before we know it. And as for Brent, he will sell up he said that, but where is the buyer coming from?

All you do is keep harping on about BRENT OUT!!!, GET OUT OF MY CLUB!

You got someone lined up then, as you keep talking about this person with vision and ambition so, somethig your not telling us, or is your alarm clock on permanent snooze, and your still stuck in your dream!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to your lack of wisdom

That doesnt make any sense, so that makes you more of an idiot than i thought you were

You are a very simple minded jannar at the end of the day. Using the same old tactics staplewallet fans used to use to try and stop folk asking for hm to move on. Put the club up for sale you will soon see some interested buyers maybe even Ken Bates if rumours are to be believed

The differance between me and you is, i am a working professional at the top of my company, with inteligence and realism with my own opinion and you are just another negative sheep.

Wasnt the club for sale 2 years ago, at a knockdown price!, owner of a half decent squad, stadium, and in a higher division and how may buyers were there queing up????????

really! im so not interested in your corporate job you very vein person your better off going on pasoti wher you might get your ego stroked abit if not your aviva like opinions that seem to toe the party line. Still if you want to prove your not a sheep its better not to steal my post material

Angry of Manchester wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Angry of Manchester wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Angry of Manchester wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Freathy wrote:

I'm partly comforted by the possibility that none of this Higher Home Park development will ever be built. And so neither will this abomination of a 'stand'. There's a long way to go yet before any of these contemptous plans are realised. I'm hopeful we may yet see the odious scumbag brent disappearing up the A38, preferably with his equally less than fragrant entourage behind him, before a single bulldozer appears at Home Park.

I wouldnt be so sure about that, this will be up and running before we know it. And as for Brent, he will sell up he said that, but where is the buyer coming from?

All you do is keep harping on about BRENT OUT!!!, GET OUT OF MY CLUB!

You got someone lined up then, as you keep talking about this person with vision and ambition so, somethig your not telling us, or is your alarm clock on permanent snooze, and your still stuck in your dream!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to your lack of wisdom

That doesnt make any sense, so that makes you more of an idiot than i thought you were

You are a very simple minded jannar at the end of the day. Using the same old tactics staplewallet fans used to use to try and stop folk asking for hm to move on. Put the club up for sale you will soon see some interested buyers maybe even Ken Bates if rumours are to be believed

The differance between me and you is, i am a working professional at the top of my company, with inteligence and realism with my own opinion and you are just another negative sheep.

Wasnt the club for sale 2 years ago, at a knockdown price!, owner of a half decent squad, stadium, and in a higher division and how may buyers were there queing up????????

really! im so not interested in your corporate job you very vein person your better off going on pasoti wher you might get your ego stroked abit if not your aviva like opinions that seem to toe the party line. Still if you want to prove your not a sheep its better not to steal my post material

I bet you think this song is about you

125+1 wrote:

Angry of Manchester wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Angry of Manchester wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Freathy wrote:

I'm partly comforted by the possibility that none of this Higher Home Park development will ever be built. And so neither will this abomination of a 'stand'. There's a long way to go yet before any of these contemptous plans are realised. I'm hopeful we may yet see the odious scumbag brent disappearing up the A38, preferably with his equally less than fragrant entourage behind him, before a single bulldozer appears at Home Park.

I wouldnt be so sure about that, this will be up and running before we know it. And as for Brent, he will sell up he said that, but where is the buyer coming from?

All you do is keep harping on about BRENT OUT!!!, GET OUT OF MY CLUB!

You got someone lined up then, as you keep talking about this person with vision and ambition so, somethig your not telling us, or is your alarm clock on permanent snooze, and your still stuck in your dream!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to your lack of wisdom

That doesnt make any sense, so that makes you more of an idiot than i thought you were

You are a very simple minded jannar at the end of the day. Using the same old tactics staplewallet fans used to use to try and stop folk asking for hm to move on. Put the club up for sale you will soon see some interested buyers maybe even Ken Bates if rumours are to be believed

The differance between me and you is, i am a working professional at the top of my company, with inteligence and realism with my own opinion and you are just another negative sheep.

Wasnt the club for sale 2 years ago, at a knockdown price!, owner of a half decent squad, stadium, and in a higher division and how may buyers were there queing up????????

But also thick as elephant jizz, as far as grammar, spelling and punctuation are concerned! A professional? Professional what? spunk-trumpet!

[quote="Greenskin"][quote="125+1"][quote="Sir Francis Drake"]

jabba the gut ecfc wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

jabba the gut ecfc wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

So how many turned up for the Torquay game last season when Argyle were bottom of League 2? Around 11-12k I think it was, at the bottom of League 2...

Anyway we've already proven that a 20000 capacity cannot compete for long in the Championship so if we want to go back there and stay there we need more.
.

2010, 23rd place, att 10,316
2009, 21st place, att, 11,427
2008, 10th place, att 13,000
2007, 11th place, att 13,012
2006, 14th place, att 13,776
2005, 17th place, att 16,420

Thats the figures!

2008, Holloways glory year, chasing the play-offs and an average of 13k in the stands!!

I'll ask once more;

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I posted almost the same stuff on PASOTI in order to try to get an explanation from Smiffy but haven't had a reply from him as yet,would be so grateful if you could respond.And while you're about it,here's a few more stats concerning average attendances for first seasons back in the second tier after some years in the wilderness;

Argyle-16420
Bristol City-16276
Cardiff City-15526
Swansea City-15187
Reading-16011

Wow! Top of the pile!Now another question.Would you say that the fact that Argyle,unlike most of the other clubs, underinvested in the team and fought two successive relegation battles had anything to do with the drop off in interest in the following seasons? Football following is very habitual and once you lose 'em,it can be darned difficult to get'em back.Tell you what,lets have a look at what happened to Cardiff after they spent a couple of years in comparative mediocrity,very similar to ours:

Season 2002/3-15526
Season 2003/4-12976
Season 2004/5-11720
Season 2005/6-15223
Season 2006/7-13939

Almost exacly the same pattern as us! Good job they didn't follow your logic and build a 17000 capacity stadium,eh!

Greeskin, i would love to walk into a home park with a 25k capacity, i really would, but things cost money and we have no investment and are very unlikely to get any, history tells us no one with any real money touches this football club they go more up country and thats a FACT.

Secondly forget the relagation battles, between 2005 and 2008 our league position improved, better players were brought in, we had well known managers, but still the attendances dropped.

Cardiff, yes good on them, but it was one hell of a gamble which has still to pay off, 50 million in debt!!, if thier rich owner buggers off prem or no prem they are in the shit big time.

I remember a team in the S.west doing that on a smaller scale and looked what happened to them.

This aint no movie, this isnt the feild of dreams where we can say "build a stand and they will come" this is reality.

And i will say it again, people of Plymouth do not support thier local club and until that happens we are not going anywhere.

you say give them a reason to come, well i say chasing the play-offs for a place in the prem league is one hell of a gift, and what happened!, season average of 13k.

Ive seen the plans and the more i look at them the more i dislike them, but until someone comes of with some hard cash to not only buy the club, but the ground and then out of their own pocket build the stadium we are living in cookoo land.

Its nice to have a dream, but i'll keep mine realistic.

Person Of Interest wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Angry of Manchester wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Angry of Manchester wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Freathy wrote:

I'm partly comforted by the possibility that none of this Higher Home Park development will ever be built. And so neither will this abomination of a 'stand'. There's a long way to go yet before any of these contemptous plans are realised. I'm hopeful we may yet see the odious scumbag brent disappearing up the A38, preferably with his equally less than fragrant entourage behind him, before a single bulldozer appears at Home Park.

I wouldnt be so sure about that, this will be up and running before we know it. And as for Brent, he will sell up he said that, but where is the buyer coming from?

All you do is keep harping on about BRENT OUT!!!, GET OUT OF MY CLUB!

You got someone lined up then, as you keep talking about this person with vision and ambition so, somethig your not telling us, or is your alarm clock on permanent snooze, and your still stuck in your dream!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to your lack of wisdom

That doesnt make any sense, so that makes you more of an idiot than i thought you were

You are a very simple minded jannar at the end of the day. Using the same old tactics staplewallet fans used to use to try and stop folk asking for hm to move on. Put the club up for sale you will soon see some interested buyers maybe even Ken Bates if rumours are to be believed

The differance between me and you is, i am a working professional at the top of my company, with inteligence and realism with my own opinion and you are just another negative sheep.

Wasnt the club for sale 2 years ago, at a knockdown price!, owner of a half decent squad, stadium, and in a higher division and how may buyers were there queing up????????

But also thick as elephant jizz, as far as grammar, spelling and punctuation are concerned! A professional? Professional what? spunk-trumpet!

mmmm, typing on a phone and inbetween doing my job, all that goes out the window.

And is that really important here. I thank you, person of no interest at all

More abuse of someone simply because they express a different view. How pasoti!

Still wasting our breath with some, Greenskin.

Encouragingly these dimwits now seem in a minority, even on Pasoti and most of them are licking brent's arse or wouldl like to.

knecht wrote:

More abuse of someone simply because they express a different view. How pasoti!

I find if the guy cant defend his views without resorting to pasoti tactics its fair game

Tringreen wrote:

Still wasting our breath with some, Greenskin.

Encouragingly these dimwits now seem in a minority, even on Pasoti and most of them are licking brent's arse or wouldl like to.

So having a differant opinion than yours makes people a dimwit!!

You are to concerned about what Newell is doing on a daily bases to have any real concerns about Argyle.

Angry of Manchester wrote:

St James is holding your club back that and lack of outside investment. Exeter could be an established championship club if it wanted.

Whilst appreciating your concern Angers I feel you may have this arse about, it is not the ground that holds us back, it was the inability and lack of business acumen in the Boardroom over many decades which has done that. One higher functioning mind with a bit of cash and some drive in the seat of power in the 80s and 90s might well have seen us with the necessary infrastructure to present more of a challenge to you in the battle to be Champions of Devon, maybe even as you suggest at a level above our perceived "glass ceiling".

Now once again the chance to do summat with what is left of Sid James has been missed through prevarication, self serving and lack of direction in the Club and Trust. The decision to put some Man Utd supporting ex pen pusher from DCC on point was the final nail in that coffin.

125+1 wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Still wasting our breath with some, Greenskin.

Encouragingly these dimwits now seem in a minority, even on Pasoti and most of them are licking brent's arse or wouldl like to.

So having a differant opinion than yours makes people a dimwit!!

You are to concerned about what Newell is doing on a daily bases to have any real concerns about Argyle.

He's part of the problem. Is that too difficult to comprehend ?

Angry of Manchester wrote:

knecht wrote:

More abuse of someone simply because they express a different view. How pasoti!

I find if the guy cant defend his views without resorting to pasoti tactics its fair game

I defend my veiws with facts!, thats what you dont like, person of even less interest.

Tringreen wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Still wasting our breath with some, Greenskin.

Encouragingly these dimwits now seem in a minority, even on Pasoti and most of them are licking brent's arse or wouldl like to.

So having a differant opinion than yours makes people a dimwit!!

You are to concerned about what Newell is doing on a daily bases to have any real concerns about Argyle.

He's part of the problem. Is that too difficult to comprehend ?

You really believe he has that much power over James Brent!, Brent made his millions and decisions long before he met Newell, and will continue to do so long after Newell.