Keith Todd v Paul S

Mike Searle wrote:

Nosey - you might fair better over on the farm with your pro Stapleton revisionist propaganda. The guy fecked it up big time in search of personal aggrandisement.

Those are the facts and no amount of time out of the spotlight will alter them.

Is nosey off to his new offices ?

If there's one thing Nosey should be listened to about, it's Akos.

It's fair enough to revisit the roots of our decline with the benefit of hindsight. It will still come down to opinions in a lot of cases though. If Stapes was sidelined, then my criticism of him would be in not fighting his (and the clubs) corner harder. Maybe he just wasn't a skilled enough operator in the black arts of the manipulation of social forums, or just too naive...I'm sure PlymptonPilgrim may have a view on that.

Charlie Wood wrote:

If there's one thing Nosey should be listened to about, it's Akos.

It's fair enough to revisit the roots of our decline with the benefit of hindsight. It will still come down to opinions in a lot of cases though. If Stapes was sidelined, then my criticism of him would be in not fighting his (and the clubs) corner harder. Maybe he just wasn't a skilled enough operator in the black arts of the manipulation of social forums, or just too naive...I'm sure PlymptonPilgrim may have a view on that.

Why? Is he his agent?

Noseyparker wrote:

Sadly, some of the things said on here are clearly wrong but people believe the nonsense that has been spouted! The truth will out one day!

I'm no apologist Mr Czarcasm, i simply think it is silly that some people listen to rumours and after time elapses it becomes the truth. As I said, mistakes were made and the greed factor was brought in to the club when we started climbing the Championship. Holloway wasnt a god, he was a fantastic motivator who only ever had one thing close to his heart...........Holloway. Mind you, dont we all? (apart from socialists who pretend to care but dont really)

In fact, the sooner people realise that players dont give a flying f@@@ about any club they play for, its all about the money! If i was a plumber on £15k and someone offered me £25k to do the same job, id be off and i bet most people would too!

That bit I agree with 100%!

If you wish to rewrite the history books then carry on NP, I'm not sure that many will listen but ATD exist for all even if the views are not agreed with.

In a nutshell I think it's as you say, "the greed factor" took over, Stapes got a sniff of it and wanted some at the expense of the Club. To be fair to Stapes though, he wasn't the only one and at least he done more for the Club than today's mob.

Noseyparker wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Noseyparker wrote:

I expected vitriol for putting up this post but felt I had to. I'm sure Damon will back me up & put meat on the bones.

PS was simply cast aside the minute the "new world" took over. He had no input and no influence over anything. Like I said in previous post, if anyone knows Dan Thomas, ask him, he will confirm it. For instance, Todd was entirely responsible for the appointment of Mariner but PS had to announce it to the world even tho he voted against the appointment. Todd was like a star struck kid with PM.

On the subject of selling players... there were players banging the door down to get out as soon as interest was expressed from other clubs. Tony Capaldi went and signed a decent contract with Cardiff and his mates wanted some of it, simple as that. The club couldn't compete with other championship clubs.

On another note, Holloway wanted rid of Akos and that wasn't a board decision. Akos didn't want to go and was gutted he had to. The move to QPR happened very quickly. I know this to be fact and would sign an affidavit if I had to. Akos loved it here with his 2 Hungarian mates and they were all gutted they were split up

Hopefully fans will wake up a little over this and PS will not be seen as the villan as he definetly wasn't. I'm guessing if you asked him he would admit mistakes but I'm sure we would all do that when looking back



Peter jones has much more to answer to with regard to finances, money & greed, especially as he has the cheek to come back. Laughable really.

Stapleton was not cast aside.Or if he was,he certainly seemed to bear no resentment about it when he became chairman of the committee fronting the world cup bid.And for the umpteenth time,Holloway did NOTwant Buzz to be sold;

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That would be about the thirtieth time that article has been produced in response to the myth that Holloway wanted Buzz out.Is there a tipping point when these things finally sink in ? On the subject of Capaldi,there was a telling quote from Norris after Capaldi had returned to HP with Cardiff and copped horrendous abuse from the crowd to the effect that Argyle had not treated Capaldi properly and he was simply looking after himself.Very interesting that Cardiff's gates were actually no better than ours at that stage-i wonder how they could have offered him a much better deal?

So Mr Greenskin, please enlighten me as to how you know this? Akos was sold due to Holloway and that is FACT. He never like Akos as a person and he didnt like Akos as a player. I will respect entirely what you say back to me if it is credible but if you just heard it from "Bert down the pub" then please pipe down and listen to the facts!

For Christs sake.Just open the link and read it for confirmation that it didn't come from "Bert down the pub" but from Akos himself.

Mr Greenskin, spin dear boy, spin.

One thing you should realise is that its all about what the agents "arrange". If you think that these people pump green blood through their veins then you are sadly mistaken. They are as mercenary as the next man. Having said that Akos, LOVES the city and he has great affection for the club and is on record to say he will come back one day.

David Norris (great bloke blah blah blah) left a message on a senior persons answerphone at the club saying he was never going to play for the club again. He had been told in no uncertain terms that he was not leaving PAFC. At that point he threw his toys out of his pram in a BIG WAY.

In essence, how can you MAKE a player stay at a club when he clearly doesn't want to?

Tringreen wrote:

Mike Searle wrote:

Nosey - you might fair better over on the farm with your pro Stapleton revisionist propaganda. The guy fecked it up big time in search of personal aggrandisement.

Those are the facts and no amount of time out of the spotlight will alter them.

Is nosey off to his new offices ?

Mr Tring-green, we are at a juncture where you are back to insulting me again from far shores. It seems to me that you trawl these boards and formulate an opinion based on rumours and conjecture and then start shouting at anyone who dare not tow the "ATD" line. I thank goodness that we live in a democracy and not a stalin style state. Strangely enough, this site has adopted the word "democratic" so please respect that and allow other people to speak freely without out you jumping in like a 5 year old

In my personal opinion you should be banned from this site as you aren't a real supporter. If you were, then you wouldn't be sat where you are spouting fire and brimstone. Go and support your local side and leave us proper supporters be....

By the way, you are a smashing looking man TG, I bet you have a shapely paid of buttocks on you

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

Noseyparker wrote:

Akos isn't a loner, however he is his own man. He makes decisions, sometimes the wrong ones (not signing for a year at QPR for example). A lot of this thought process is based on his family lifestyle in Hungary and he takes a lot of advice from his dad (understandably). Akos didn't hero-worship Holloway overtly so i would guess thats why he didnt like him! Holloway likes to be heroworshipped, you should know that by now ha

I am afraid that I cannot answer any of your questions however, standing by your decisions is an important part of management. You seem to be a very knowledgeable chap but to be fair to PS, you have the benefit of hindsight, where as PS didnt

By the way, when it came to the world cup bid (bound to come up sooner or later), the committee was headed up by Mr Todd and Doug Fletchet. The WC bid was introduced by Todd/Gardener after PS has given up control of the club.

Sadly, there are a lot of people out there who blatantly make things up and over time it becomes the truth. PS did a lot of good for the club and the city at the time (as did the other PS in his first tenure) and dont forget he also had a full time job at his accountancy business. There is mountains that the fans dont know that would blow the lid on all of Todd/Gardener/Jones/Gill etc but in all honestly what is the point? Some fans are judge, jury and executioner. Right, off to work!

Nosey, if this is the case then why start the thread in the first place?

Mr Mouldyoldgoat, I do not think that questions needs answering. Why does anyone start a thread on here?

The truth will out.

Noseyparker wrote:

Mr Greenskin, spin dear boy, spin.

One thing you should realise is that its all about what the agents "arrange". If you think that these people pump green blood through their veins then you are sadly mistaken. They are as mercenary as the next man. Having said that Akos, LOVES the city and he has great affection for the club and is on record to say he will come back one day.

David Norris (great bloke blah blah blah) left a message on a senior persons answerphone at the club saying he was never going to play for the club again. He had been told in no uncertain terms that he was not leaving PAFC. At that point he threw his toys out of his pram in a BIG WAY.

In essence, how can you MAKE a player stay at a club when he clearly doesn't want to?

The same way that Swansea, Blackpool and Hull managed to?

GOB wrote:

Noseyparker wrote:

Sadly, some of the things said on here are clearly wrong but people believe the nonsense that has been spouted! The truth will out one day!

I'm no apologist Mr Czarcasm, i simply think it is silly that some people listen to rumours and after time elapses it becomes the truth. As I said, mistakes were made and the greed factor was brought in to the club when we started climbing the Championship. Holloway wasnt a god, he was a fantastic motivator who only ever had one thing close to his heart...........Holloway. Mind you, dont we all? (apart from socialists who pretend to care but dont really)

In fact, the sooner people realise that players dont give a flying f@@@ about any club they play for, its all about the money! If i was a plumber on £15k and someone offered me £25k to do the same job, id be off and i bet most people would too!

That bit I agree with 100%!

If you wish to rewrite the history books then carry on NP, I'm not sure that many will listen but ATD exist for all even if the views are not agreed with.

In a nutshell I think it's as you say, "the greed factor" took over, Stapes got a sniff of it and wanted some at the expense of the Club. To be fair to Stapes though, he wasn't the only one and at least he done more for the Club than today's mob.

Mr Gob, you seem one of the more balance individuals on here. It obviously is not all about agreeing with each other and its nice to debate. Its sad that ex pats have nothing other better to do than be jealous of us Brits that HAVEN'T deserted our country. Another crime is wearing young peoples clothes and blatantly not getting away with it!

GOB wrote:

Noseyparker wrote:

Mr Greenskin, spin dear boy, spin.

One thing you should realise is that its all about what the agents "arrange". If you think that these people pump green blood through their veins then you are sadly mistaken. They are as mercenary as the next man. Having said that Akos, LOVES the city and he has great affection for the club and is on record to say he will come back one day.

David Norris (great bloke blah blah blah) left a message on a senior persons answerphone at the club saying he was never going to play for the club again. He had been told in no uncertain terms that he was not leaving PAFC. At that point he threw his toys out of his pram in a BIG WAY.

In essence, how can you MAKE a player stay at a club when he clearly doesn't want to?

The same way that Swansea, Blackpool and Hull managed to?

Well we didn't. A lot of people on here contstantly mention greed. Are the players exempt from any blame? Are they not a greedy lot too, or is that priviledge on given to Premiership players

Akos's own words -

"If they really wanted to keep me they wouldn't have accepted the offer and let me go," said Buzsaky. "People can say what they like but for Plymouth it was a good deal and they cashed in.

QPR came in and offered £500,000 and because of that Plymouth didn't want me to sign a new contract. I had been at Plymouth for three years and really enjoyed my time there. I played over 100 games for them but perhaps it was time to change. Given the situation, it seemed time for new people and a new club.

I don't know where the talk of me falling out with Ian Holloway came from but it's completely untrue "

If there is any spin Nosey it's you trying to paint Stapleton as some latter day saint - he wasn't and isn't. And neither was/is Gill/Jones/Todd/Gardner. They are/were in it for what they could/can make out of it. As you say, it's all about the money and self-aggrandisement.

Well, thats that then! The newspaper has spoken! haha

On the PS front, I am not trying to make him out to be a saint, purely putting a little balance in the argument. There are lots of people storming around spouting nonsense that has very little truth in it and after time it is believed!

The truth will out. One day.

Noseyparker wrote:

GOB wrote:

Noseyparker wrote:

Sadly, some of the things said on here are clearly wrong but people believe the nonsense that has been spouted! The truth will out one day!

I'm no apologist Mr Czarcasm, i simply think it is silly that some people listen to rumours and after time elapses it becomes the truth. As I said, mistakes were made and the greed factor was brought in to the club when we started climbing the Championship. Holloway wasnt a god, he was a fantastic motivator who only ever had one thing close to his heart...........Holloway. Mind you, dont we all? (apart from socialists who pretend to care but dont really)

In fact, the sooner people realise that players dont give a flying f@@@ about any club they play for, its all about the money! If i was a plumber on £15k and someone offered me £25k to do the same job, id be off and i bet most people would too!

That bit I agree with 100%!

If you wish to rewrite the history books then carry on NP, I'm not sure that many will listen but ATD exist for all even if the views are not agreed with.

In a nutshell I think it's as you say, "the greed factor" took over, Stapes got a sniff of it and wanted some at the expense of the Club. To be fair to Stapes though, he wasn't the only one and at least he done more for the Club than today's mob.

Mr Gob, you seem one of the more balance individuals on here. It obviously is not all about agreeing with each other and its nice to debate. Its sad that ex pats have nothing other better to do than be jealous of us Brits that HAVEN'T deserted our country. Another crime is wearing young peoples clothes and blatantly not getting away with it!

I sympathise with you slightly but you need to remember that football is a game of emotion. I do agree that debate is the way to make a point if you want it to stick.

If you're prepared to slug it out then keep making your points by backing them up as others are doing the best they can by providing press comments etc. Give us some meat!

Noseyparker wrote:

Well, thats that then! The newspaper has spoken! haha

On the PS front, I am not trying to make him out to be a saint, purely putting a little balance in the argument. There are lots of people storming around spouting nonsense that has very little truth in it and after time it is believed!

The truth will out. One day.

The truth is already out there, it's just a question of whose version of events you choose to believe. I choose Akos and Holloway over Stapleton in this particular instance.

Mike Searle wrote:

Nosey - you might fair better over on the farm with your pro Stapleton revisionist propaganda. The guy fecked it up big time in search of personal aggrandisement.

Those are the facts and no amount of time out of the spotlight will alter them.

Settle down old chap! Thanks for the advice, ill stay i think. I havent been accused of being IJN or Chris Webb yet........

Mike Searle wrote:

Noseyparker wrote:

Well, thats that then! The newspaper has spoken! haha

On the PS front, I am not trying to make him out to be a saint, purely putting a little balance in the argument. There are lots of people storming around spouting nonsense that has very little truth in it and after time it is believed!

The truth will out. One day.

The truth is already out there, it's just a question of whose version of events you choose to believe. I choose Akos and Holloway over Stapleton in this particular instance.

I cant say fairer than that. Mind you, i think an aggressive missile in inbound at the moment from Cyprus from "the font of all knowledge"

Noseyparker wrote:

Mr Greenskin, spin dear boy, spin.

One thing you should realise is that its all about what the agents "arrange". If you think that these people pump green blood through their veins then you are sadly mistaken. They are as mercenary as the next man. Having said that Akos, LOVES the city and he has great affection for the club and is on record to say he will come back one day.

David Norris (great bloke blah blah blah) left a message on a senior persons answerphone at the club saying he was never going to play for the club again. He had been told in no uncertain terms that he was not leaving PAFC. At that point he threw his toys out of his pram in a BIG WAY.

In essence, how can you MAKE a player stay at a club when he clearly doesn't want to?

Some questions for you;

a.Why would Akos be motivated to "spin" anything about his departure 4 months after the event?

b.Are you saying that Stapes was anti the world cup bid? I looked up the details and you are correct,he wasn't chairman, but was certainly a director of the Plymouth bid company.

c.Why was David Norris so keen to leave the club? Would it have in any way been connected to the statement that he made in his first Ipswich press conference along the lines of "moving to a club which matches my own ambitions"?

d.If Holloway was that keen to get rid of Akos from a purely playing aspect,why did he include him in the starting line up for 8 of the first 12 matches prior to his departure in October 2008?

Listen to this Nosey - Stapleton was right behind and involved in the world cup bid - he could see the $$potential$$ STAPLETON WORLD CUP BID INTERVIEW

"Less than 48 hours after Plymouth Argyle were hit with a 10-point penalty their vice-chairman and executive director, Paul Stapleton, has reportedly taken a 10-day holiday in Dubai. When Digger called the firm of accountants where he works and asking to speak to Stapleton, the response was that he is away on business, returning a week on Friday. "It's just meetings away from the office."

"I was in the shower"


That says it all really!

why all the threads about Paul Stapleton all of a sudden? has he got a book coming out or something?

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

why all the threads about Paul Stapleton all of a sudden? has he got a book coming out or something?

Not if he's got an ounce of sense

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

why all the threads about Paul Stapleton all of a sudden? has he got a book coming out or something?

I was wondering the same, even Ade was on here a few days ago and he workes for Stapes's solicitors if I remember right, then there's the few that are joining in with the slagging of Jones that have suddenly jumped on the bandwagon with the rest of us.

How I Love a conspiracy theory

Noseyparker wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Mike Searle wrote:

Nosey - you might fair better over on the farm with your pro Stapleton revisionist propaganda. The guy fecked it up big time in search of personal aggrandisement.

Those are the facts and no amount of time out of the spotlight will alter them.

Is nosey off to his new offices ?

Mr Tring-green, we are at a juncture where you are back to insulting me again from far shores. It seems to me that you trawl these boards and formulate an opinion based on rumours and conjecture and then start shouting at anyone who dare not tow the "ATD" line. I thank goodness that we live in a democracy and not a stalin style state. Strangely enough, this site has adopted the word "democratic" so please respect that and allow other people to speak freely without out you jumping in like a 5 year old

In my personal opinion you should be banned from this site as you aren't a real supporter. If you were, then you wouldn't be sat where you are spouting fire and brimstone. Go and support your local side and leave us proper supporters be....

By the way, you are a smashing looking man TG, I bet you have a shapely paid of buttocks on you

I have indeed

Certainly rattled your cage................ again I suspect, 'We've been here before'. How many identities do you hide behind now ffs ?

Ban Tringy from ATD..............'Eeeee's nsaaaaat a real supporter!'

Noseyparker wrote:

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

Noseyparker wrote:

Akos isn't a loner, however he is his own man. He makes decisions, sometimes the wrong ones (not signing for a year at QPR for example). A lot of this thought process is based on his family lifestyle in Hungary and he takes a lot of advice from his dad (understandably). Akos didn't hero-worship Holloway overtly so i would guess thats why he didnt like him! Holloway likes to be heroworshipped, you should know that by now ha

I am afraid that I cannot answer any of your questions however, standing by your decisions is an important part of management. You seem to be a very knowledgeable chap but to be fair to PS, you have the benefit of hindsight, where as PS didnt

By the way, when it came to the world cup bid (bound to come up sooner or later), the committee was headed up by Mr Todd and Doug Fletchet. The WC bid was introduced by Todd/Gardener after PS has given up control of the club.

Sadly, there are a lot of people out there who blatantly make things up and over time it becomes the truth. PS did a lot of good for the club and the city at the time (as did the other PS in his first tenure) and dont forget he also had a full time job at his accountancy business. There is mountains that the fans dont know that would blow the lid on all of Todd/Gardener/Jones/Gill etc but in all honestly what is the point? Some fans are judge, jury and executioner. Right, off to work!

Nosey, if this is the case then why start the thread in the first place?

Mr Mouldyoldgoat, I do not think that questions needs answering. Why does anyone start a thread on here?

The truth will out.

Don't start calling me names Nosey!