Keith Todd v Paul S

So PS get ex-communicated by the new regime and has no voice on the board whatsoever.

Dan thomas will freely admit that KT specifically told the staff only to talk to him and not the old guard. I promise you, PS is not the villian in any of this

PS even had to announce the appointment of mariner even tho he was against it. Please wake up, smell the coffee and realise that this club was ruined by silly people like RG & KT.

As for Jones, well........

I would give my right bollock to have Stapes back here at the moment!

Noseyparker wrote:

So PS get ex-communicated by the new regime and has no voice on the board whatsoever.

Dan thomas will freely admit that KT specifically told the staff only to talk to him and not the old guard. I promise you, PS is not the villian in any of this

PS even had to announce the appointment of mariner even tho he was against it. Please wake up, smell the coffee and realise that this club was ruined by silly people like RG & KT.

As for Jones, well........

Lets all do the time warp again. Stapleton's passion for local celebrity status and sheer greed started the rot. He sold the best players at Argyle in a generation to bloat the books and hoodwink the Japanese into paying way too much for their shares.

As for Jones, well....

Run by the fans for the fans.


It was a great ride.

I looked into his eyes.

Joking aside and given what we all now know about Jones, I can understand why Stapleton wanted to dump the weasel.

Surely PS isnt the only one of the M7 ex communicated though?

The club was ruined the day Holloway left

I would be quite interested to hear Damon's take on these past issues, not that it means much but it would be interesting to know.

The big thing for me that really sticks in my throat was that Stapes went ahead and purchased HP leaving the club wide open for the type of vultures that we see today, he was warned about it and that makes it unforgivable in my book.

Isn't it all ironic though considering that Stape's strongest critic of the purchase of HP was Jones, yet now Jones has become the vulture. Tis a funny old world.

I expected vitriol for putting up this post but felt I had to. I'm sure Damon will back me up & put meat on the bones.

PS was simply cast aside the minute the "new world" took over. He had no input and no influence over anything. Like I said in previous post, if anyone knows Dan Thomas, ask him, he will confirm it. For instance, Todd was entirely responsible for the appointment of Mariner but PS had to announce it to the world even tho he voted against the appointment. Todd was like a star struck kid with PM.

On the subject of selling players... there were players banging the door down to get out as soon as interest was expressed from other clubs. Tony Capaldi went and signed a decent contract with Cardiff and his mates wanted some of it, simple as that. The club couldn't compete with other championship clubs.

On another note, Holloway wanted rid of Akos and that wasn't a board decision. Akos didn't want to go and was gutted he had to. The move to QPR happened very quickly. I know this to be fact and would sign an affidavit if I had to. Akos loved it here with his 2 Hungarian mates and they were all gutted they were split up

Hopefully fans will wake up a little over this and PS will not be seen as the villan as he definetly wasn't. I'm guessing if you asked him he would admit mistakes but I'm sure we would all do that when looking back

Peter jones has much more to answer to with regard to finances, money & greed, especially as he has the cheek to come back. Laughable really.

Lord Aviva wrote:

Surely PS isnt the only one of the M7 ex communicated though?

The club was ruined the day Holloway left

I remember it well It had been coming for weeks but I knew it was game over. Even I didn't think it would get this bad.

Noseyparker wrote:

I expected vitriol for putting up this post but felt I had to. I'm sure Damon will back me up & put meat on the bones.

PS was simply cast aside the minute the "new world" took over. He had no input and no influence over anything. Like I said in previous post, if anyone knows Dan Thomas, ask him, he will confirm it. For instance, Todd was entirely responsible for the appointment of Mariner but PS had to announce it to the world even tho he voted against the appointment. Todd was like a star struck kid with PM.

On the subject of selling players... there were players banging the door down to get out as soon as interest was expressed from other clubs. Tony Capaldi went and signed a decent contract with Cardiff and his mates wanted some of it, simple as that. The club couldn't compete with other championship clubs.

On another note, Holloway wanted rid of Akos and that wasn't a board decision. Akos didn't want to go and was gutted he had to. The move to QPR happened very quickly. I know this to be fact and would sign an affidavit if I had to. Akos loved it here with his 2 Hungarian mates and they were all gutted they were split up

Hopefully fans will wake up a little over this and PS will not be seen as the villan as he definetly wasn't. I'm guessing if you asked him he would admit mistakes but I'm sure we would all do that when looking back

Peter jones has much more to answer to with regard to finances, money & greed, especially as he has the cheek to come back. Laughable really.

It was obvious that once Holloway had built upon the Pulis clearout and he and his players were 'getting noticed', that it would go tits up unless Stapes and his board either promoted the club's potential to anyone with enough cash to make a difference and sold up, or at the very least welcomed investment from the likes of the consortium, to at least 'have a go' at promotion and ignite the latent fanbase.

...and your point is Nosey?

If you're simply a Stapleton apologist, that's pretty old hat now innit? Or is it that now Stapes nemisis Jones has been caught with his pants down, you're using that to try and score points on Stapletons behalf?

Pretty pointless either way.

Edit: in fact, the most interesting part of this whole thread is that I nonchalantly levered 'point', 'points' and 'pointless' into such a small post without even trying.

Czarcasm wrote:

...and your point is Nosey?

If you're simply a Stapleton apologist, that's pretty old hat now innit? Or is it that now Stapes nemisis Jones has been caught with his pants down, you're using that to try and score points on Stapletons behalf?

Pretty pointless either way.

Edit: in fact, the most interesting part of this whole thread is that I nonchalantly levered 'point', 'points' and 'pointless' into such a small post without even trying .

That's a bit of a pointed reply!

Are you pointing that at me?

Selling off Ollie's team when we were riding high in the Championship at such a crucial point in the season was the worst kind of betrayal imaginable. It's hard to think of what worse deliberate damage any Charirman could have done. And it was all done to bring in the property developers. Staplewallet was fortunate beyond his wildest dreams to have had Sturrock Mk1 and, even more so, Ollie as managers and had he not gone down the path he chose he could have elevated himself to REAL legend status. Is he now deeply regretting not backing Ollie? I'm sure he is but not half as much as I'm regretting it.

@ Jocko What? This pointy hand? Absolutely.


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Sadly, some of the things said on here are clearly wrong but people believe the nonsense that has been spouted! The truth will out one day!

I'm no apologist Mr Czarcasm, i simply think it is silly that some people listen to rumours and after time elapses it becomes the truth. As I said, mistakes were made and the greed factor was brought in to the club when we started climbing the Championship. Holloway wasnt a god, he was a fantastic motivator who only ever had one thing close to his heart...........Holloway. Mind you, dont we all? (apart from socialists who pretend to care but dont really)

In fact, the sooner people realise that players dont give a flying f@@@ about any club they play for, its all about the money! If i was a plumber on £15k and someone offered me £25k to do the same job, id be off and i bet most people would too!

Noseyparker wrote:

I expected vitriol for putting up this post but felt I had to. I'm sure Damon will back me up & put meat on the bones.

PS was simply cast aside the minute the "new world" took over. He had no input and no influence over anything. Like I said in previous post, if anyone knows Dan Thomas, ask him, he will confirm it. For instance, Todd was entirely responsible for the appointment of Mariner but PS had to announce it to the world even tho he voted against the appointment. Todd was like a star struck kid with PM.

On the subject of selling players... there were players banging the door down to get out as soon as interest was expressed from other clubs. Tony Capaldi went and signed a decent contract with Cardiff and his mates wanted some of it, simple as that. The club couldn't compete with other championship clubs.

On another note, Holloway wanted rid of Akos and that wasn't a board decision. Akos didn't want to go and was gutted he had to. The move to QPR happened very quickly. I know this to be fact and would sign an affidavit if I had to. Akos loved it here with his 2 Hungarian mates and they were all gutted they were split up

Hopefully fans will wake up a little over this and PS will not be seen as the villan as he definetly wasn't. I'm guessing if you asked him he would admit mistakes but I'm sure we would all do that when looking back

Peter jones has much more to answer to with regard to finances, money & greed, especially as he has the cheek to come back. Laughable really.

Stapleton was not cast aside.Or if he was,he certainly seemed to bear no resentment about it when he became chairman of the committee fronting the world cup bid.And for the umpteenth time,Holloway did NOTwant Buzz to be sold;

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That would be about the thirtieth time that article has been produced in response to the myth that Holloway wanted Buzz out.Is there a tipping point when these things finally sink in ? On the subject of Capaldi,there was a telling quote from Norris after Capaldi had returned to HP with Cardiff and copped horrendous abuse from the crowd to the effect that Argyle had not treated Capaldi properly and he was simply looking after himself.Very interesting that Cardiff's gates were actually no better than ours at that stage-i wonder how they could have offered him a much better deal?

Greenskin wrote:

Noseyparker wrote:

I expected vitriol for putting up this post but felt I had to. I'm sure Damon will back me up & put meat on the bones.

PS was simply cast aside the minute the "new world" took over. He had no input and no influence over anything. Like I said in previous post, if anyone knows Dan Thomas, ask him, he will confirm it. For instance, Todd was entirely responsible for the appointment of Mariner but PS had to announce it to the world even tho he voted against the appointment. Todd was like a star struck kid with PM.

On the subject of selling players... there were players banging the door down to get out as soon as interest was expressed from other clubs. Tony Capaldi went and signed a decent contract with Cardiff and his mates wanted some of it, simple as that. The club couldn't compete with other championship clubs.

On another note, Holloway wanted rid of Akos and that wasn't a board decision. Akos didn't want to go and was gutted he had to. The move to QPR happened very quickly. I know this to be fact and would sign an affidavit if I had to. Akos loved it here with his 2 Hungarian mates and they were all gutted they were split up

Hopefully fans will wake up a little over this and PS will not be seen as the villan as he definetly wasn't. I'm guessing if you asked him he would admit mistakes but I'm sure we would all do that when looking back

Peter jones has much more to answer to with regard to finances, money & greed, especially as he has the cheek to come back. Laughable really.

Stapleton was not cast aside.Or if he was,he certainly seemed to bear no resentment about it when he became chairman of the committee fronting the world cup bid.And for the umpteenth time,Holloway did NOTwant Buzz to be sold;

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That would be about the thirtieth time that article has been produced in response to the myth that Holloway wanted Buzz out.Is there a tipping point when these things finally sink in ? On the subject of Capaldi,there was a telling quote from Norris after Capaldi had returned to HP with Cardiff and copped horrendous abuse from the crowd to the effect that Argyle had not treated Capaldi properly and he was simply looking after himself.Very interesting that Cardiff's gates were actually no better than ours at that stage-i wonder how they could have offered him a much better deal?

So Mr Greenskin, please enlighten me as to how you know this? Akos was sold due to Holloway and that is FACT. He never like Akos as a person and he didnt like Akos as a player. I will respect entirely what you say back to me if it is credible but if you just heard it from "Bert down the pub" then please pipe down and listen to the facts!

Greenskin wrote:

Noseyparker wrote:

I expected vitriol for putting up this post but felt I had to. I'm sure Damon will back me up & put meat on the bones.

PS was simply cast aside the minute the "new world" took over. He had no input and no influence over anything. Like I said in previous post, if anyone knows Dan Thomas, ask him, he will confirm it. For instance, Todd was entirely responsible for the appointment of Mariner but PS had to announce it to the world even tho he voted against the appointment. Todd was like a star struck kid with PM.

On the subject of selling players... there were players banging the door down to get out as soon as interest was expressed from other clubs. Tony Capaldi went and signed a decent contract with Cardiff and his mates wanted some of it, simple as that. The club couldn't compete with other championship clubs.

On another note, Holloway wanted rid of Akos and that wasn't a board decision. Akos didn't want to go and was gutted he had to. The move to QPR happened very quickly. I know this to be fact and would sign an affidavit if I had to. Akos loved it here with his 2 Hungarian mates and they were all gutted they were split up

Hopefully fans will wake up a little over this and PS will not be seen as the villan as he definetly wasn't. I'm guessing if you asked him he would admit mistakes but I'm sure we would all do that when looking back

Peter jones has much more to answer to with regard to finances, money & greed, especially as he has the cheek to come back. Laughable really.

Stapleton was not cast aside.Or if he was,he certainly seemed to bear no resentment about it when he became chairman of the committee fronting the world cup bid.And for the umpteenth time,Holloway did NOTwant Buzz to be sold;

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That would be about the thirtieth time that article has been produced in response to the myth that Holloway wanted Buzz out.Is there a tipping point when these things finally sink in ? On the subject of Capaldi,there was a telling quote from Norris after Capaldi had returned to HP with Cardiff and copped horrendous abuse from the crowd to the effect that Argyle had not treated Capaldi properly and he was simply looking after himself.Very interesting that Cardiff's gates were actually no better than ours at that stage-i wonder how they could have offered him a much better deal?

Have you never heard of spin Mr Greenskin? Players sign contracts all the time with gagging clauses, agents generally make stuff up and leak to the press. Its all A GAME! He was bombed out, end of story

Noseyparker wrote:

I expected vitriol for putting up this post but felt I had to. I'm sure Damon will back me up & put meat on the bones.

PS was simply cast aside the minute the "new world" took over. He had no input and no influence over anything. Like I said in previous post, if anyone knows Dan Thomas, ask him, he will confirm it. For instance, Todd was entirely responsible for the appointment of Mariner but PS had to announce it to the world even tho he voted against the appointment. Todd was like a star struck kid with PM.

On the subject of selling players... there were players banging the door down to get out as soon as interest was expressed from other clubs. Tony Capaldi went and signed a decent contract with Cardiff and his mates wanted some of it, simple as that. The club couldn't compete with other championship clubs.

On another note, Holloway wanted rid of Akos and that wasn't a board decision. Akos didn't want to go and was gutted he had to. The move to QPR happened very quickly. I know this to be fact and would sign an affidavit if I had to. Akos loved it here with his 2 Hungarian mates and they were all gutted they were split up

Hopefully fans will wake up a little over this and PS will not be seen as the villan as he definetly wasn't. I'm guessing if you asked him he would admit mistakes but I'm sure we would all do that when looking back

Peter jones has much more to answer to with regard to finances, money & greed, especially as he has the cheek to come back. Laughable really.

Akos was also said to be a bit of a loner. So not sure that's entirely correct. Ok what we know about jones now has maybe cast stapes in a better light but answer this.

Why did he not insist the players desperate to leave, stay until the end of the season? No decent professional club does much business in the jan window unless its us if course trying to cash in on a squad whilst they could get some transfer money for it?

Why did he sell out to a Japanese bloke who clearly had no interest in football? Let alone Argyle. And also one that was not prepared to invest any further money?

Why didn't he bother to make a proper search for a manager after holloway left?

Why didn't he resign from the Board if he felt he was beig cast aside and why then did he turn up with Ridsdale?

Why didn't he fund administration?

Why did he still expect to treated like royalty by staff he hadn't paid?

Stapleton was happy enough to be the local celebrity when the going was good so he takes the brickbats when the chips were down.

Akos isn't a loner, however he is his own man. He makes decisions, sometimes the wrong ones (not signing for a year at QPR for example). A lot of this thought process is based on his family lifestyle in Hungary and he takes a lot of advice from his dad (understandably). Akos didn't hero-worship Holloway overtly so i would guess thats why he didnt like him! Holloway likes to be heroworshipped, you should know that by now ha

I am afraid that I cannot answer any of your questions however, standing by your decisions is an important part of management. You seem to be a very knowledgeable chap but to be fair to PS, you have the benefit of hindsight, where as PS didnt

By the way, when it came to the world cup bid (bound to come up sooner or later), the committee was headed up by Mr Todd and Doug Fletchet. The WC bid was introduced by Todd/Gardener after PS has given up control of the club.

Sadly, there are a lot of people out there who blatantly make things up and over time it becomes the truth. PS did a lot of good for the club and the city at the time (as did the other PS in his first tenure) and dont forget he also had a full time job at his accountancy business. There is mountains that the fans dont know that would blow the lid on all of Todd/Gardener/Jones/Gill etc but in all honestly what is the point? Some fans are judge, jury and executioner. Right, off to work!

Nosey - you might fair better over on the farm with your pro Stapleton revisionist propaganda. The guy fecked it up big time in search of personal aggrandisement.

Those are the facts and no amount of time out of the spotlight will alter them.

Noseyparker wrote:

Akos isn't a loner, however he is his own man. He makes decisions, sometimes the wrong ones (not signing for a year at QPR for example). A lot of this thought process is based on his family lifestyle in Hungary and he takes a lot of advice from his dad (understandably). Akos didn't hero-worship Holloway overtly so i would guess thats why he didnt like him! Holloway likes to be heroworshipped, you should know that by now ha

I am afraid that I cannot answer any of your questions however, standing by your decisions is an important part of management. You seem to be a very knowledgeable chap but to be fair to PS, you have the benefit of hindsight, where as PS didnt

By the way, when it came to the world cup bid (bound to come up sooner or later), the committee was headed up by Mr Todd and Doug Fletchet. The WC bid was introduced by Todd/Gardener after PS has given up control of the club.

Sadly, there are a lot of people out there who blatantly make things up and over time it becomes the truth. PS did a lot of good for the club and the city at the time (as did the other PS in his first tenure) and dont forget he also had a full time job at his accountancy business. There is mountains that the fans dont know that would blow the lid on all of Todd/Gardener/Jones/Gill etc but in all honestly what is the point? Some fans are judge, jury and executioner. Right, off to work!

Nosey, if this is the case then why start the thread in the first place?