Today's Chip Paper

GOB wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

Bearing in mind James was a reluctant bidder who appears to have done very well for himself at the City's expense ever since, it's quite possible there's people involved outside of Argyle. I can't help but recall that inaugural meeting at the Stoke SC which got invaded.

I think there's a few councilors that are being watched quite carefully!

Quite a few were watching Stapleton, didn't do much good.

GOB wrote:

The mods can edit threads on pasoti as many times as they want, but the world now knows of the corruption on there.

There's only a few dozen of us interested though. What a feckin shambles of a club it has become.

This should be the time for wise words, inspiring transparency and unity, from the honorary president but he's so far up to his neck in the skulduggery he daren't speak !

Coxside_Green wrote:

GOB wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

Bearing in mind James was a reluctant bidder who appears to have done very well for himself at the City's expense ever since, it's quite possible there's people involved outside of Argyle. I can't help but recall that inaugural meeting at the Stoke SC which got invaded.

I think there's a few councilors that are being watched quite carefully!

Quite a few were watching Stapleton, didn't do much good.

Were they, who?

I always see John Lloyd's posts and Graham's to a certain degree, as a barometer of intelligent fan feeling, almost to check with myself that I've not fallen into some sort of PASOTI void.

John Lloyd's thoughtful and frank response and even more the fact that almost instantly the attack dogs are out would suggest he's close to the truth. Nice to know we're right....

Pokesdown wrote:

I always see John Lloyd's posts and Graham's to a certain degree, as a barometer of intelligent fan feeling, almost to check with myself that I've not fallen into some sort of PASOTI void.

John Lloyd's thoughtful and frank response and even more the fact that almost instantly the attack dogs are out would suggest he's close to the truth. Nice to know we're right....

Sadly, the bloke who has taken the lid off the box and allowed the lunatics free rein at the asylum, doesn't seem to care.

When he spoke of engaging with the fans and of community led club, he must have been thinking along Orwellian lines

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
― George Orwell, Animal Farm

“No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?”
― George Orwell, Animal Farm

“This work was strictly voluntary, but any animal who absented himself from it would have his rations reduced by half.”
― George Orwell, Animal Farm

“they had come to a time when no one dared speak his mind, when fierce, growling dogs roamed everywhere, and when you had to watch your comrades torn to pieces after confessing to shocking crimes.”
― George Orwell, Animal Farm

And finally, one for the vast majority of Avivas on Napoleon's Farm...........

“In a way, the world-view of the party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violation, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything and what they swallowed did them no harm because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.”
― George Orwell, Animal Farm

GOB wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

GOB wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

Bearing in mind James was a reluctant bidder who appears to have done very well for himself at the City's expense ever since, it's quite possible there's people involved outside of Argyle. I can't help but recall that inaugural meeting at the Stoke SC which got invaded.

I think there's a few councilors that are being watched quite carefully!

Quite a few were watching Stapleton, didn't do much good.

Were they, who?

Nobody enough to make a difference obviously. Same as now.

Interesting to read that PL2Faced resigned his AFT membership because he didn't like one person, if that doesn't tell you how big a prick he is then I don't know what will. But the funny thing is though, he doesn't like Ian Newell either according to his comments on ATD but that didn't stop him from taking up the purse of silver for a plush seat.

What a vile bunch.

hairy j wrote:

I do love and adore PL2's justification for the anti-Trust stuff. It's amazingly stupid. The implication is that the multi-accounts were used to heroically protect Wozzer like an internet white knight. They weren't, they were used to undermine the Trust and create ANTAGONISM. PL2's justified it though as old Newell was involved. Rapson was doing it at the same time but at least he had the decency to do it using his own account.

And Cerbera pops up again - to justify Newell's flickr account. It's incredibly weird to keep stuff like that in the first place and Newell kept it on flickr so he could share it. That tips the weirdo-meter further.

I don't think Webb was actually involved in the anti-Trust stuff at the time. He PMd me at the time bemoaning the fact they weren't as militant as he was but he still felt they had a role to play. I had PMs from him also stating he wished IJN would stay away from the internet and forums.

From what I can see and know, those in internet contact and REAL life contact with Ian Newell tolerate him like a group of teenage friends tolerate an idiot mate - the guy who ends up getting you all into trouble due to their fuckwited behaviour but the guy you tolerate because, well, 'he's a mate'. Those teenagers grow up though and the fuckwitted mate usually ends up as a memory when you meet up years later - 'remember mental Ian? LOL'

Fuckwitted behaviour is fuckwittery. For next time you want to mention such behaviour.

What's it called when it's on Twitter and written by Gary Glitter?

It makes me laugh how they're now hiding behind one 'single issue', 'allegedly' at that, for the misuse of the DT account, despite the fact it was misused long before Wozzer came along. I don't think I've ever known such an odious bunch. I've known some bad people in my years but nowhere near as vile as them on that thread.

I read that there are trends that our friend and ex ADT (Edit to add, I meant ATD of course!) poster Hooper the pooper snooper, abhors, it can't be nice to be associated with such scabby characters, eh Tony, I can understand why your so intrigued.

Whilst we have his attention, maybe he can tell us his role in this scab fest, maybe he can tell us if he washed his hands once he had been through peoples bin liners. I'm sure we're all intrigued as well?

GOB wrote:

I read that there are trends that our friend and ex ADT poster Hooper the pooper snooper, abhors, it can't be nice to be associated with such scabby characters, eh Tony, I can understand why your so intrigued.

Whilst we have his attention, maybe he can tell us his role in this scab fest, maybe he can tell us if he washed his hands once he had been through peoples bin liners. I'm sure we're all intrigued as well?

Just got me some more popcorn

Greenjock wrote:

GOB wrote:

I read that there are trends that our friend and ex ADT poster Hooper the pooper snooper, abhors, it can't be nice to be associated with such scabby characters, eh Tony, I can understand why your so intrigued.

Whilst we have his attention, maybe he can tell us his role in this scab fest, maybe he can tell us if he washed his hands once he had been through peoples bin liners. I'm sure we're all intrigued as well?

Just got me some more popcorn

His day will come Jock, slowly and one by one the scabs are festering and starting to fall off.

I am actually eating popcorn and watching the England game.

Graham Clark on the farm

I have refrained from commenting on the Deep Throat issue because as far as I know all those involved have offered a fulsome apology and expressed regret as they absolutely should have done.

Have they? What all of them? Fulsome? Expressed regret? I don't agree.

Hugh Watt wrote:

Graham Clark on the farm

I have refrained from commenting on the Deep Throat issue because as far as I know all those involved have offered a fulsome apology and expressed regret as they absolutely should have done.

Have they? What all of them? Fulsome? Expressed regret? I don't agree.

Poor attempt at shielding a mate again

Oh lets leave it alone now, same with Hooper's digging around trying to glean information on an Argyle fan and now represents fans!

Yup lets stop Webby's discomfort now, and all be friends. No Graham let's have the Club Presidents apology, fulsomely or not, and then Hooper's resignation for being a cnut of the highest order.

Mmm, popcorn.

The longer it goes on the more open it gets.

Some of the characters behind this are laughable in their hypocrisy and just plain idiocy, but it really isn't that funny. That's our club, our fans trust, our main fans message forum.

Coxside_Green wrote:

GreenSam wrote:

punchdrunk wrote:

Hooper the snooper reckons we have a playing budget of 2M !!! 3 times of that of Torquay and Exeter...

I really would like to know where he gets that information from.

Ricker also said on here that we have the 3rd/4th biggest playing budget in the league and no-one has ever called him an establishment man have they...

I think it's true and it just shows what a bollocks Fletcher made of this season and how trust was placed in the wrong people.

It's true we had/still have some high earners which may well have eaten the budget but we did still manage to bring in numerous players, mostly which have proven 'not good enough'. In your opinion, do you think there's a possibility that Fletch may have been allowed to keep the players that kept us up but there might have been a salary cap on any new signings? Last summer's recruitment of players which overbloated the squad (3rd keeper for example) still make very little sense to me.

Yeah that's probably right-we have to differentiate between overall budget expenditure and budget for new contracts. The latter figure would undoubtedly be noticeably lower than the first although I'd wager still not modest.

GreenSam wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

GreenSam wrote:

punchdrunk wrote:

Hooper the snooper reckons we have a playing budget of 2M !!! 3 times of that of Torquay and Exeter...

I really would like to know where he gets that information from.

Ricker also said on here that we have the 3rd/4th biggest playing budget in the league and no-one has ever called him an establishment man have they...

I think it's true and it just shows what a bollocks Fletcher made of this season and how trust was placed in the wrong people.

It's true we had/still have some high earners which may well have eaten the budget but we did still manage to bring in numerous players, mostly which have proven 'not good enough'. In your opinion, do you think there's a possibility that Fletch may have been allowed to keep the players that kept us up but there might have been a salary cap on any new signings? Last summer's recruitment of players which overbloated the squad (3rd keeper for example) still make very little sense to me.

Yeah that's probably right-we have to differentiate between overall budget expenditure and budget for new contracts. The latter figure would undoubtedly be noticeably lower than the first although I'd wager still not modest.

Wager is such a posh word. Like fellachio.

animal farm a great book, although i prefer coming up for air by orwell.

People who hold Animal Farm up as the zenith of dystopian fiction usually haven't read very much. It's a simplistic allegory and, at best, a clumsy and guilleless essay. You'll find more similarities between the kind of behaviour on pasoti in the more absurd works of Samuel Beckett, the characterisations in the works of Pinter and the situational plots in JG Ballard - read Kingdom Come by him and you'll see more relevant similarities.

Ferkin hell Hairy it's a bit early in the morning for that. You'm a well read bugger that's for sure.

Lord Aviva wrote:

animal farm a great book, although i prefer coming up for air by orwell.

Burmese Days also a fairly good reflection of how PAFC appears to be being run now...also ends with the main protaganist shooting himslef if I remember right

Moved it to the right thread.

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John_Lloyd wrote:

It's not any single issue that led to it's use, but it's the fact that many people felt it was acceptable to conduct internet campaigns against people they personally objected to from behind pseudonyms, rather than deal with the issues in a more honest and direct way.

It has had the effect that I, and more than a few others, are now very circumspect about assisting with fan representation - if your face doesn't fit, then a heavy hitter will simply come out and say "I'm having my membership money back if HE is on the board".

That is a terrible outcome and the club suffers, as a result.

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Tim Chown wrote:

I haven't joined this discussion to this point, but it is worth confirming that a number of people who the Trust approached to encourage them to stand for the Trust board in the recent election declined because of the very reasons John states above. The use of 'multis' has thus most certainly had a detrimental effect on the Trust and thus also, indirectly, on all supporters.

Tim

GOB wrote:

Moved it to the right thread.

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John_Lloyd wrote:

It's not any single issue that led to it's use, but it's the fact that many people felt it was acceptable to conduct internet campaigns against people they personally objected to from behind pseudonyms, rather than deal with the issues in a more honest and direct way.

It has had the effect that I, and more than a few others, are now very circumspect about assisting with fan representation - if your face doesn't fit, then a heavy hitter will simply come out and say "I'm having my membership money back if HE is on the board".

That is a terrible outcome and the club suffers, as a result.

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Tim Chown wrote:

I haven't joined this discussion to this point, but it is worth confirming that a number of people who the Trust approached to encourage them to stand for the Trust board in the recent election declined because of the very reasons John states above. The use of 'multis' has thus most certainly had a detrimental effect on the Trust and thus also, indirectly, on all supporters.

Tim

Some of us saw this type of behaviour developing years ago, when most were 'enjoying the ride'.......... as commanded by the emerging Pasoti Politburo.