Can ATD help?

Perhaps someone on here can answer this gentleman...

http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=71484

Yes, pasoti is by far the best.

(Here to oblige).

It doesn't look to me as though this guy is asking a question Sean. So what's your point?

Pasoti might be a better designed or faster site, but it's still infested with two-faced lying scumbags, multi-accounts and people who were happy to attack The Trust anonymously and yet declare their support for it under their real name.

You maybe able to forgive and forget Chris Webb and Ian Newell for trying to set you up and naming you as Greenman, but it's nothing to crow about really is it?

Greenjock wrote:

It doesn't look to me as though this guy is asking a question Sean. So what's your point?

Pasoti might be a better designed or faster site, but it's still infested with two-faced lying scumbags, multi-accounts and people who were happy to attack The Trust anonymously and yet declare their support for it under their real name.

You maybe able to forgive and forget Chris Webb and Ian Newell for trying to set you up and naming you as Greenman, but it's nothing to crow about really is it?

Please read his thread title.

But anyway, it was a bit of a tongue in cheek post. Chillax.

"Mervyn" spends his free time looking at other clubs fan forums? Oh yeah we all do that

I think this could be another of these strange Pasoti accounts that spring up with no other purpose than to praise Pasoti

I wonder if he knows Saracen 10

WARNING - SERIOUS ANSWER COMING UP..

I have stopped using PASOTI and prefer this website for genuine messageboard reasons. I find the debate on here is healthier with a variety of posters. This maybe something to do with the average age on here being older and the increasing linking of PASOTI to the football club ownership. The result of the latter is that dissenters such as Hairy and X Isle are rounded upon by "collaborators". These may well be genuine posters but the suspicion is, based upon events created solely by Mods of Pasoti, that these are merely made up posters who are needed when the debate turns against the clubs message.

This may well be a legacy of the "war" in that Pasoti was mobilised to back Brent's bid, be for or against Ridsdale depending what the mood of the time was, question Buttivant and rightly hound out Heaney. I supported all of this. The result has been though that the people in control liked the power and just can't give it up or now Brent is in place can't allow anyone to criticise anything about the club and the owner.

PASOTI, like Sparksy's commentary, is increasingly Pravda like in its message.

I also prefer the more colourful language and sense of humour, even Jock's Look at some of the Pasoti threads..they are as dull as ditchwater..with equally vacuous replies.

In addition the stitch up of the Trust by prominent PASOTI members is something that I found abhorrent.

There you go....my reasons for cancelling my Pasoti account.

and.........if I wasn't a memeber on this site I would never have read Knecht's post and heard of "Phillip Henry + Hannah Martin" who I spent an enjoyable half hour You Tubing last night.

I don't know if it is, but it sounds like our European exile Merv the swerve. He seemed ok, posted on here for a while, went to a meet Brent eve, fanfest or something like that, then posted on Pasoti. Something must have got to him.... and off he went ... it happens.

People use whatever site they like. I much prefer this site as it alllows ALL opinions on Argyle, something Pasoti Baggo' 2 hasn't done for quite some time. This forum also seems to have very few young tints contributing .. that helps too... I can't be bothered to hear their naive babbling and certainly didn't like their puerile abuse when I used Pasoti... do they talk to their fathers like that ?

Any 'useful information' that's out there in the wild nearly always pops up on this site too, and sometimes people feel best disposed to post here first. Dis-information from Jamesy's puppets tends to get a rough ride on here, and so it should if it is obvious propaganda with little relation to reality... and that is something that just doesn't happen across the road.

Vital exists, but jeez, is it boring.

The language on here is more 'adult', and sometimes not the way I speak, but that's ok, it's a football fans website, and nothing that the BBC doesn't allow.
Each to their own.

Penzance wrote:

This forum also seems to have very few young tints contributing .. that helps too... I can't be bothered to hear their naive babbling and certainly didn't like their puerile abuse when I used Pasoti... do they talk to their fathers like that ?

Sorry Penz, I'll desist.

Perception is everything. I have never registered for Pasoti and wouldn't bother. My reason is I can look at the useful information it provides at times but not enter into a one sided posting fest. Nobody agrees with everything the club does as that just isn't possible but you aren't really allowed to say otherwise so any discusion is pointless.

I registered on here because it was recommended to me by Jock who used to post on another site I use. That isn't well supported so this was an alternative to, lets say engage, with more Argyle people. However I view ATD as the polar opposite of Pasoti in terms of views allowed before you are ganged up on to a lesser extent. If you are positive about something the club does then this seems to go against the grain and labels are attached to you. Aviva, happy clappy etc. It seems you almost have to be either completely negative about virtually everything and it isn't acceptable to have differing views about the clubs performance on seperate issues. i.e. you agree with some and disagree with others.

For me I find there are similarities between the sites in the treatment of posters. If you are part of the little gangs then you can give an opinion but if you are considered "out" then it's some dismissal and ridicule. Any discussion or pushing your point for more than 2 posts is apparently boring. There is an "in" crowd on Pasoti who treat others in much the same way. Both sites seem slightly obsessed with the other instead of just getting on with their own Worlds. This is just my own observations and as I see it. The one big difference is that you can be as boring as you like here and say the absolute opposite to the majority view and don't get banned for doing it.

You're not boring sensei. You write long paragraphs about very little, foreshore, but that's nothing to be ashamed of. Nor are your suicide-inducing thread debates with greenskin - enough to make one's eyes bleed. Who cares? Just potter along, doing what one does and not worrying about how green the grass is on the other side. That is all I ask of ewe.

Greenjock wrote:

It doesn't look to me as though this guy is asking a question Sean. So what's your point?

Pasoti might be a better designed or faster site, but it's still infested with two-faced lying scumbags, multi-accounts and people who were happy to attack The Trust anonymously and yet declare their support for it under their real name.

You maybe able to forgive and forget Chris Webb and Ian Newell for trying to set you up and naming you as Greenman, but it's nothing to crow about really is it?

The trouble with you Greenjock is that your always sitting on the fence......we'll never find out how you see things will we.....I'll have to get sensible to give you a lecture so you can have your own opinion about things.

You can post on pasoti and have an opposing view as long as you do it in a polite way - they'll allow that. There have been instances though where threads are moved to folders to make them disappear.

It's not the worst forum I've ever seen but it also isn't that good - they don't merge threads enough and page 1 of discussion has far too many sticky threads - they should give the Newell auctions it's own folder.

There's a load of posters that no longer post on there though and it's far more conservative than it used to be - ArgyleIve and his mates used to post on there in the good old days and they wouldn't last two minutes with the over moderation.

This one's OK but it is full of freaks and weirdos and Dane.

Awe shucks Moch, thanks. Have I ever told you about........................

My problem isn't actually wanting to be long winded about a subject. It is that if you put a word wrong then there seems to be somebody wanting to totally misrepresent what you are attempting to say in reality and so I feel a need to explain the point in more detail than ought to be neccessary.

ZYPH I'll PM Jock and put him wise. How many characters can you post on a PM cause it might just take an essay. Or even a short story.

hairy j wrote:

You can post on pasoti and have an opposing view as long as you do it in a polite way - they'll allow that. ..........

No you can't.

knecht wrote:

hairy j wrote:

You can post on pasoti and have an opposing view as long as you do it in a polite way - they'll allow that. ..........

No you can't.

I quite often do.

Pasoti is wank because you wouldn,t be allowed to wank on pasoti.

hairy j wrote:

knecht wrote:

hairy j wrote:

You can post on pasoti and have an opposing view as long as you do it in a polite way - they'll allow that. ..........

No you can't.

I quite often do.

The only reason they haven't magically gotten rid of you is because you post on here and they know full well if they did you'd be all over here.

They know they can't ban you or get rid of you because you haven't broken any of their pathetic rules yet you're a thorn in their side.

If you were a poster who didn't post on here but still posted like you do on there you'd be gone.

Yea Man wrote:

hairy j wrote:

knecht wrote:

hairy j wrote:

You can post on pasoti and have an opposing view as long as you do it in a polite way - they'll allow that. ..........

No you can't.

I quite often do.

The only reason they haven't magically gotten rid of you is because you post on here and they know full well if they did you'd be all over here.

They know they can't ban you or get rid of you because you haven't broken any of their pathetic rules yet you're a thorn in their side.

If you were a poster who didn't post on here but still posted like you do on there you'd be gone.

I thought it was because I'm awesome. I'm right aren't I? I am awesome. I am. Aren't I?

Each to his own, I'm thankful for Penz's post as it's as close to my position to not have to say anymore.

What saddens me is how Pasoti has deteriorated. Back along all the critical debate we have on here would have been on Pasoti and value would have been added by the number of posters who would have argued their point one way or the other.

Having been a member over there for 10+ years I've had my say on best team, striker, goal, match, goalkeepers underpants etc. etc....a hundred times.

My views have already been covered by Nick Wall and Penz.

I'm pleased for 'mervyn' that he likes pasoti so. It's one person's opinion, but I think anyone looking at the number of people , like myself and Mr Wall, who've cancelled our pasoti accounts (as opposed to being banned) and settled in here would come to the conclusion that perhaps everything isn't necessarily as rosy as 'mervyn' has painted it on pasoti. Hey ho. Each to their own.

Nick Wall wrote:

WARNING - SERIOUS ANSWER COMING UP..

I have stopped using PASOTI and prefer this website for genuine messageboard reasons. I find the debate on here is healthier with a variety of posters. This maybe something to do with the average age on here being older and the increasing linking of PASOTI to the football club ownership. The result of the latter is that dissenters such as Hairy and X Isle are rounded upon by "collaborators". These may well be genuine posters but the suspicion is, based upon events created solely by Mods of Pasoti, that these are merely made up posters who are needed when the debate turns against the clubs message.

This may well be a legacy of the "war" in that Pasoti was mobilised to back Brent's bid, be for or against Ridsdale depending what the mood of the time was, question Buttivant and rightly hound out Heaney. I supported all of this. The result has been though that the people in control liked the power and just can't give it up or now Brent is in place can't allow anyone to criticise anything about the club and the owner.

PASOTI, like Sparksy's commentary, is increasingly Pravda like in its message.

I also prefer the more colourful language and sense of humour, even Jock's Look at some of the Pasoti threads..they are as dull as ditchwater..with equally vacuous replies.

In addition the stitch up of the Trust by prominent PASOTI members is something that I found abhorrent.

There you go....my reasons for cancelling my Pasoti account.

and.........if I wasn't a memeber on this site I would never have read Knecht's post and heard of "Phillip Henry + Hannah Martin" who I spent an enjoyable half hour You Tubing last night.

Cheeky git, and you're the same age as me!

Your reasons are very similar to mine though Nick. Maybe Pasoti is slightly improving in respect to people being allowed to post criticism of the club/team/manager/owner which definitely wasn't the case last year. These posters still tend to get rounded on by the mob on Pasoti, but isn't that what happens on here in reverse?

There are also an increasing number of new accounts that are so obviously multi's it does take the piss out of their statement which reminds posters that multi accounts are not allowed. This only applies to regular posters and not the in-crowd.

The Trust hounding and anonyomus attacks was disgusting and cowardly, and that was all done with the knowledge of the mods and owners of the site, which pretty much tells you where their loyalties lie. James Brent is regarded as some kind of demi-God for buying the club for feck all and selling off anything useful for his own benefit. This would not have been allowed to be done by anyone else other than JB, as the dogs of war would've been released and that great union man and socialist Chris Webb would not have been his right hand man or propaganda minister. For some strange reason the in-crown have thrown all their weight behind JB and have repelled any challengers thus far, and Pasoti has become an extension of the official club website.

Pasoti has become a club for a small number of fans who are all REAL mates. Anyone who is deemed "dangerous" to the Pasoti hierarchy gets the same treatment. People like Grovehill hounded and hounded but he kept his stance up and stood up for himself, so lo and behold some threatening PM's were sent from his account, which he couldn't access at the time strangely and although the Pasoti mods were questioned and asked to show evidence of these malicious PM's from Grovehill, they haven't seen fit to show the Pasoti public exactly what dastardly deed Grovehill did to earn his ban.

If these threats were made by Grovehill to Chris Webb as claimed, I'm sure Mr Plod would have been despatched to have a word with Grovey, who was actually outed and derided with a stupid nickname by Herr Newell, which related to his job. If anyone else had done a similar thing to someone who didn't want their actual name and occupation known, a ban would've been issued, but Herr Newell, who isn't a mod any longer, just like Daz isn't has special dispensation to break every rule in the Pasoti handbook.

There have been several instances of ex-Pasoti users who now use this site having their personal details leaked, when the only people who had these details were Pasoti mods. E-mail addresses used to sign up on Pasoti being used by people wanting to start accounts on here with mischief in mind.

There are always people moaning about ATD on Pasoti, but these come from people who do not have first hand knowledge of the dirty tricks used by the usual suspects on Pasoti.

The spoof website ADT. Ten times more disgusting than anything that is posted on here. Set-up by Ian Newell, and he has admitted to that before anyone says that's rumour, aided and abetted by Daz Desmond who is too busy to be a mod on Pasoti and that paragon of virtue Dane Bunney. The posts on that site were far worse than anything seen on here, with users of this site accused of being slags, whores, junkies, paedophiles etc. plus a picture of a pig being displayed and being said to be the wife of a member of this site! The Pasoti masses who don't like this site turn a blind eye to all of that, yet say the things posted on here are out of order? Doesn't add up does it?

Then there's Argyle Moans on Twitter, gone now of course when awkward questions started to get asked about the identity of the person behind it. As soon as Chris Webb's name was bandied about the account goes up in a cloud of smoke, just like the Deepthroat and Windsor Boy accounts on Pasoti when photographs from Ian Newell's flickr account show him and Chris Webb together in Windsor of all places

And again, Chris Webb no longer posts on Pasoti? Does anyone REALLY believe that ffs? The club president Chris Webb who appeared from nowhere on Pasoti and became it's darling, with the backing of Newell and the other mods. And yet as Trust Leader, an e-mail sent to him in confidence by Rickler, also ends up in Ian Newell's flickr account. Neither of these people have been able to explain that as yet, unlike the dozens of text messages and e-mails with personal information such as a minors medical history, which were all Pasoti business according to Ian Newell And yes this is the same Ian Newell who was so up in arms with Thai Green for using Chris Webb's son's name in a post, that he sent him a white feather to denote he was a coward.

And yes this is the same young child who was shamelessly paraded in front of the audience at the Guildhall last year and who's photograph and name are displayed for the whole world to see on Greensonscreen? Double standards are the norm with Pasoti and in particular the in-crowd who control it.

When I sent Ian Newell a series of e-mails criticising him for sending Thai Green the white feather message, I get called a stalker who is being reported to the Police because I have private information about Ian Newell? But don't you have private information about dozens of people Ian? Information that has been used for nefarious reasons?

Then Ian Newell who doesn't like private information being kept on people or displayed, somehow has copies of the threatening e-mails his son Mike sent me last Friday, yet had nothing to do with the sending of them? So how did Mike Newell get my e-mail address in order to threaten me Ian?

I could go on about the Private Investigator hired to track me down, by one of the Deepthroat account users, which was set-up by Ian Newell for harmless activites which went on to try and bring down The Argyle Fans Trust after Ian Newell gave people the password to use it anonymously. The Private Investigator who was named by Ian Newell and Chris Webb over and over again because they were disgusted that one Argyle fan could do this to another, and because my mothers address and phone number were shown to Ian Newell on a GT's coach trip.

So disgusted was he that the Private Investigator has been given more column inches on Pasoti and Vital by PL2 Faced, than all of the other candidates put together. Ian Newell was so disgusted by this action that he still chats and sits with these people at games and enjoys Twitter conversations with them both

Something isn't right with all of that, which involves several members of the Pasoti hierarchy, or Superfans as they are affectionately known.

Postey, or PL2 Faced as he is now dubbed for trying to slur Graham Clark on here, when Graham was Trust Leader, by saying he had rolled over rather tamely with regard to James Brent and would be rewarded for doing so, is the face of Pasoti now and promotes it's wholesome image. Blatantly disregarding the aforementioned incidents, but at least there is no swearing on Pasoti eh Ian?

Then we have Nikk. Obviously a huge Argyle supporter who ploughs an amazing amount of money into the club, and indeed Pasoti. Nobody can deny the fantastic amounts of money that Nikk has donated via the pantomime auctions, but anyone who has donated anonymously or obviously to a lesser extent because they don't have the same kind of disposable income to hire a plane to fly over Sid James Park trailing a piss-taking banner, is asked "What did you do during the war" Surely everyone deserves credit for whatever they managed to donate, whether it was £5, £50,000 or 5 hours of their spare time? Not so on Pasoti. Nikk is heralded as the most philanthropic person ever because he arranges little treats for Pasoti regulars.

It's also a shame that Ian Newell didn't piss his pants quite as much when the boot was on the other foot and a really funny post that was put together by a Exeter fan and posted on Pasoti by me. This led to the post disappearing and me being banned. There was nothing worse on that post than was trailed behind the airplane over Exeter's ground, but as that was paid for by Nikk so it was a real jolly jape.

I have no problem with Nikk, and only have admiration for the amounts of money he has donated. I don't agree with the money being used to accelerate the staff wages and the way Nikk is just hailed for his donations and no questions are asked about why a rich supporter is accelerating the debts of a rich football club owner. I would have thought Nikk's offer of investment in the club would be welcomed with open arms, but James Brent doesn't want anyone else investing in the club which would improve the clubs finances and chances of moving up the leagues.

Nick Wall touched on the humour on Pasoti as well. It rarely has any. ATD is funny and acerbic and boasts input from the one, the only Mock Cuncher, who takes time off from keeping foreign marauders at bay, to inject an irreverant take on life that couldn't possibly be found anywhere else. On Pasoti you have OllieArgyle9 and his Sainsbury's analogy

The Trust has been dropped from having it's own section on Pasoti, in favour of the PASB Good move one that guys! Oh and The Trust doesn't deserve it's own section, but Forza Verde does so that everyone can learn how to wave a flag and what comes after Whoooooa whooooooa in the new club anthem.

I guess if you want to read what PCH is listening to tonight, or what Luke Young is having from Nando's then Pasoti is the place. It's also where the players are known as Big Reg, Rene Gilmartin, or all have a Y added to the end of their names so you can show how big a fan you are. ATD members couldn't possibly be as good a fans as you get on Pasoti because on here we're not Twitter friends with Daz Pursey or Lukey Youngy.

If watching two mullet haired "comedians" sing the same songs about pasties every 2 weeks, sitting on a coach with no alcohol next to Ian Newell and then staying at a holiday camp with him overnight is your thing, then Pasoti will be your thing.

If you enjoy sending messages of support to Lithuanian swimmers and watching Home Park turn into a Walt Disney theme park where swearing is frowned upon, then again Pasoti is where you should be wearing your jester hat with pride

I prefer a site that doesn't rejoice when another bit of the club is sold off for a multi-millionaires pension fund, or when a lifelong fan is taken off of their regular feature in the matchday programme because they dare to question what is happening to their beloved football club.

Each to their own I suppose, but when someone like Pilgrim Pete gets his kicks out of starting a thread like this, and he's a bigtime Pasoti fan, I wonder if anyone could honestly imagine the same post being allowed to saty on Pasoti?

I'll stick with the unsanitised flavour thankyou.

Feck me Jock we'll need to order extra bandwith if you keep writing essays

I'm only jealous though because you say exactly what I feel, i'm just too lazy to put it all down

knecht wrote:

hairy j wrote:

You can post on pasoti and have an opposing view as long as you do it in a polite way - they'll allow that. ..........

No you can't.

I never used a fking swear word on Pasoti and I was banned

I hate this site its full of moaning wankers, who pick on me cause i luv carl, i'm just crateful we got a club and thats down to two of the most wonderful human beings there have ever been, even though chris webb has only supported this club since 2011 he still saved us, ian newell should be prime minister he looked into brents eyes and knew straight away he got it! i would be back posting on pasoti like a shot ,if i was not banned "set up by atd spies" you only get banned from pasoti, if you're horrible to james and carl who are fab by the way! Saracen10, brian green ,ollie argyle, mazzda, they are proper fans who like to talk about saiinsburys and forza verda, not goat porn like you pervs!