The pasotification of ATD

Bloody hell, Jock,. For a loud-mouthed, aggressive, drunken Scot you don't half talk a lot of sense.

Yes well said GJ.

I agree with most things that sensible says.

Sensible doesn't post on P@SOTI.....although he checks it out,just like I do....I also post the odd comment on there to try and balance up the drivel that flows from the disciples of P@SOTILAND.....a sad place at times........although it's good for info at times.

not606 as sensible can tell you is a quiet friendly backwater....where you can share your views and enjoy banter with a small group of Argyle supporters (and other visitors) that are in Plymouth and spread around the country....pleasant place to be.

So we are not all P@SOTI rejects and do not need to be at war with them like the majority of ATD users.

Sensible uses the same monicker where ever he posts and I respect that....some of us use a different username for each website and prefer to keep each in it's own compartment and will give our own (untrouble by others) view of how we see things.

So keep doing your own thing sensible....they only moan because your hit the nail on the head too often for their liking.

Alright, who's been feckin around on my account?

Bullies can only bully if you let them, and they never do it alone.

Well said Jock, just as well Im mainstream ATD:)

Peace and quiet at last.

What a load of cobblers.
I've taken far more collective abuse on here, over the last few months than SG has received. Amongst many other insults, I have been referred to as vermin, false accusations of bullying and allowing people into admin without permission were made and refuted by the keyholders, who had access to hard evidence and GOB recently posted two blokes shagging doggy style with Tring/Newell adjoined.
I didn't whine when GOB and Cerbs were piling into me with the support of previous mods,Pasoti poodles and a few others who still rally round in any conflict.I was removed from the modroom by a keyholder for fighting back against concerted false allegations and didn't complain. Yet I am the bully .....really ? Tringy was bullying Cerbs, Peggy, GOB and Symons, all on his own in the modroom ?
The difference is, those who often appear to sit on my side of the fence, don't whine and complain like big girls' blouses.
I do not ' hound' SG, Jock. I try to ignore the pedantic beggar when he seems to argue for the sake of it. He even managed to get Greenskin into irritated mode, and Greenskin has been talking the same story as me for years without getting banned from Pasoti because he doesn't react to abuse or criticism. SG even managed to wind him up.

If any forum welcomes all legal points of view, it cannot start accusing one small group of bullying another small group. It really does work both ways.

Tringreen wrote:

Peace and quiet at last.

What a load of cobblers.
I've taken far more collective abuse on here, over the last few months than SG has received. Amongst many other insults, I have been referred to as vermin, false accusations of bullying and allowing people into admin without permission were made and refuted by the keyholders, who had access to hard evidence and GOB recently posted two blokes shagging doggy style with Tring/Newell adjoined.
I didn't whine when GOB and Cerbs were piling into me with the support of previous mods,Pasoti poodles and a few others who still rally round in any conflict.I was removed from the modroom by a keyholder for fighting back against concerted false allegations and didn't complain. Yet I am the bully .....really ? Tringy was bullying Cerbs, Peggy, GOB and Symons, all on his own in the modroom ?
The difference is, those who often appear to sit on my side of the fence, don't whine and complain like big girls' blouses.
I do not ' hound' SG, Jock. I try to ignore the pedantic beggar when he seems to argue for the sake of it. He even managed to get Greenskin into irritated mode, and Greenskin has been talking the same story as me for years without getting banned from Pasoti because he doesn't react to abuse or criticism. SG even managed to wind him up.

If any forum welcomes all legal points of view, it cannot start accusing one small group of bullying another small group. It really does work both ways.

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Which actually was quite funny But even you must admit that you have more than given as good as you've got, whereas with SG you have jumped on him from day 1 with this boringbloke tag because he stands up to you and doesn't share your opinion.

Merv is another one who liked using the site but wasn't overly bothered about the politics too much and dared to speak out and try and concentrate on the footballing side of things only to be ridiculed. Merv also shared some of the same views as most of us, and had his say every now and again, but got fed up with the same message being delivered constantly Tring. He gets it and isn't happy with what's gone on and is going on, but is fed up of hearing it at every opportunity, and if he says the same as I'm saying, he also gets ridiculed. Great, well done Tring, somebody else totally alienated.

Instead of repeating the same thing over and over again, try actually conversing with these people, give your version of events and the benefit of your experiences but stop and take a breath and let these people have their say as well and have discussion. How exactly is taking the piss out of his recently deceased mother, not you Tring granted, but it seemed like a couple of people jumped in and joined in on your side and they couldn't debate reasonably so they abused just for the sake of it.

I'm sure that SG has kind of revelled in the role of your adversary to a certain extent, but when all he gets is abuse back, it isn't fun anymore. Banter is one thing but it goes too far. If I get stick off of anybody I give it back in spades, and I let rip at people like Newell and the Pasoti mods, but they deserve it. They have, and still do allsorts of crap that should be jumped on and criticised because they put themselves in the line of fire. Sensible and Merv don't agree with the things Newell does, and in SG's case, he publicly criticises Chris Webb and doesn't think he should be involved as Club President, but he also doesn't think Brent has done much wrong yet, and is willing to give him a go, and I think this is where you clash, because SG still lives in Plymouth and attends games, it is met with "Happy clappy or Aviva" and is scorned for what? Not boycotting games? There are plenty of others on here who still go to games, maybe they're not happy about what they see, but they still want to support. I would go to more games if it was physically possible, but that doesn't mean I would be happy with the standard of football or the state the club is in, far from it, but I would still go and want the team to win, have a skinful and shout at Brent and Fletcher if we lost.

I just think you ought to try hearing people point of view Tring. How many times to we see the accusation levelled at you that you don't even support the club? On here and on the farm? It's because you almost advocate not going to games unless things change. That won't happen while I have a hole in my ass but I don't see you having a go at Greenskin for still going to games, or Chemical or Penz, so don't pick your prey.

Keep spreading the word Tring, it's what we all need to keep doing, but unless other people's views aren't even considered without ridicule, then we are all just a bunch of sad old men, bitter and twisted and happy in our own little gang, educated wankers preaching to the converted and jumping down the throats of others who like our company, but aren't interested in pulling the legs off of spiders all day.

This site for me has humour and debate and a great deal of intelligent interesting people who take the time to use it and share experiences and the benefit of our wisdom, whilst still being there to question things going on at Argyle and at life in general, and you are one of the pillars of ATD Tring, but sometimes you don't use your wit and intelligence and life experiences in a very positive way, and come across as boring as SG.

Anyway that's my opinion. I actually like you Tring, but even I have got fed up of a few things and it's almost like you've given up. If you have, then let others who haven't given up just yet the basic courtesy everybody should afford each other in life.

Whilst I can see what you are saying and just like trying to debate with the likes of SG, I really don't have the energy or inclination to debate and try to explain any more.

If people don't like my posting style , tough ! I am not going to continually explain and justify myself to them.

The latest constant attempts to discredit me, led by GOB, are that I am Newellesque, a bully and that I have a gang ffs !

I realise 'I'm naaaaat a praaaaaper faaaan' anymore. The last few years have knocked the stuffing out of me as far as physical attendance is concerned. Greenskin, who lives locally and goes to the games, understands my standpoint and is not upset by what I say. He understands and shares my frustration at the failures the club has made and the crap currently on offer, both on the pitch and in the club's management structures.

What I am still trying to point out, without success, is that there are two sides to every argument and there is as much of a 'gang' on the other side of the fence, ready to jump in................ and they do/will.

The difference AGAIN, is that they continue to whine and cry foul, when they do exactly the same things themselves.

None of us are going to change our points of view or posting style. All I can suggest is that either side of the divide ceases personal sniping against other members and largely try to ignore eachother.

As someone recently pointed out, this is a football related forum, not the bloody united nations. It is a democratically moderated forum with an historically challenging and call a spade a spade attitude. Probably why you like it so much Jock.

ps Anyone who calls themself 'Sensible', is seeking to bore/provoke imo.

You mean this one? --------------------->


Apologies if it caused you offence Tring.

I thought this site was anti Argyle, hence why I am on here.

Obviously that isn't true, however I saw this site (and still do) as a site to build bridges between City and Argyle fans, bridges that were burned by Newell and the like. His bullying was apparent to all intelligent football fans on Exeweb and on Pasoti for that matter, yet his antics went beyond the internet, they were personal and sinister. Exeweb had it for years, but for now it has stopped.

If the same type of person lived in my street they would be smacked down and kept down, they would have already had their bollocks removed, not necessarily by me alone but by every person in the same street.

The weak on Pasoti allowed the bully to flourish, AT and ATD stopped that...for now.

This site has moved forward now and that is down to the healthy debate here, but whilst you should never live in the past you need to ensure you do not forget it either.

GOB wrote:

You mean this one? --------------------->


Apologies if it caused you offence Tring.

It doesn't cause me offence GOB. It merely helps to demonstrate my point, that 'attacks' on other posters is not a one way street.

As has been tried before and I know you specialise in such campaigns, if you throw enough mud at someone, some of it will stick, even if it has no basis in truth.

It was meant as a little light humor Tring, a mild piss take that I believed and still believe most would have taken in the good spirit as it was intended. It had nothing to do with attacking any one person or group and I think most would agree and I think it would be silly to attempt to twist it any other way other than how it was intended. I don't believe that it stepped beyond the realms of what would be acceptable in society and if it did then I would expect the moderators to act accordingly.

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"As has been tried before and I know you specialise in such campaigns, if you throw enough mud at someone, some of it will stick, even if it has no basis in truth."

How ironic.

I love a bit of soul-searching, me.

I was remembering the other day, when I was about 7, the joy of being the first out onto the playground as a young kid. We'd race to the bars at the other end; the last there would be bulldog afterall. Anyway, this one particular day I was the very first out there! I pegged it, and I was about halfway across when another child in another year came out one of the hut buildings and started running his own line at a 90 degree angle to me.

We crunched into each other, him ko'd and me with a graze down my face the size of Wales. I sat there a second, peering round, wondering how the fok I'd managed to collide with the only other child on the playground.

I ate my wheat crunchies and cried.

GOB wrote:

It was meant as a little light humor Tring, a mild piss take that I believed and still believe most would have taken in the good spirit as it was intended. It had nothing to do with attacking any one person or group and I think most would agree and I think it would be silly to attempt to twist it any other way other than how it was intended. I don't believe that it stepped beyond the realms of what would be acceptable in society and if it did then I would expect the moderators to act accordingly.

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"As has been tried before and I know you specialise in such campaigns, if you throw enough mud at someone, some of it will stick, even if it has no basis in truth."

How ironic.

It wasn't meant as light humour GOB. You have been banging away desperately, about me being like Newell for weeks.Throw enough crap and all that. I am well aware of what you are trying to achieve.

As for irony, you and your supermod mate have been trying to influence and control ATD for months. It hasn't worked, so he has run off to be captain of his own ship after your combined attempts to 'bully' admin failed and you have stayed to try to discredit me.

The irony of all your talk of bullying and gangs is not lost on me dear boy.

You always put forward a testing debate Tring.

oh dear , everyones a little bit angry,train spotters war,seems to have a very italian feel to it,now come on guys make your minds up ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,anyway,top dogs in devon again,normal service,so thats good init,

Flavour,thats what ATD should be about,flavour.I was attracted to the old Argyle Talk in the first place because the posters therein seemed to represent a more left field perspective than PASOTI [a site which i still post on nevertheless and will continue to do so] and had a more critical outlook on all things Argyle,generally speaking.I was always under the impression,when forming the new site,that the independent and possibly cynical aspect was a very important item on the perceived mission statement of all who had an interest in it,whilst welcoming alternative points of view.It was never a number of members or posters agenda as far as i was concerned,personally i couldn't give a monkeys if there were only 5 posters using the site,as long as the original raison d'etre was kept in place.I think that, by and large, it has been although i was a little worried by the direction that some posters seemed to want to take it at one stage.Alternative points of view are still welcome-people like Knecht,Tony Cholwell,Jon B etc,whose views, i think it would be fair to say,would not have fitted the mould of the original posters on this site,seem to have no problem in being regular contributors to ATD and long may it continue.If people start squawking about a few jester emoticons or whatever being placed in replies to their posts,then all i can say is that it's a darned good job that they weren't expressing critical views during the Stapleton CCC days-they certainly wouldn't have lasted long.

I agree GS, it comes to something when you can't even post one of these smiley things without being accused of being one gang or another, Jeez!

It's all about balance and views, it's all very well having them providing you're prepared to allow others to have them.

And GS, ATD was never in danger of becoming more one sided than the other, nor was it ever in danger of being "pasotified" or aligning itself with the club to create a site that was incapable of questioning the club, that was all just propaganda. Everyone involved behind the scenes previously had differing views but everyone also encouraged others to oppose those views. They didn't however encourage very personal and hurtful attacks and everyone would have acted to prevent it. There's a difference.

tcm wrote:

oh dear , everyones a little bit angry,train spotters war,seems to have a very italian feel to it,now come on guys make your minds up ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,anyway,top dogs in devon again,normal service,so thats good init,

piss off, dimwit.

It's true that I like it on here because you can talk frankly and call a spade a spade, but I still fail to see why sensible and Merv have done that warrants you laying into them.

You're ecstatic when Merv announced he wasn't posting on here anymore and I don't understand why?

Ok I get your spat with Cerbs and subsequently with GOB, or with the posters who are obviously Newells puppets just here for a wind up and I give them plenty too, but I don't know why you get pleasure in pissing off people so much that they stop posting, for being a bit boring. feck me this place would be empty if being boring was an offence that carried a mandatory ban.

And talking of gangs, the cherry tree thing is stupid. It's a few posters who are all going to the game anyway meeting up for a drink because they use this site. When I make a home game I will be joining them and I don't think anyone could accuse me of having a hidden agenda, wanting to run this place or being a Newell mole. I wouldn't run in the mod elections despite being asked by you amongst others.

I suggested meeting up at a cricket match pre season and there was nothing sinister about that, and you even talked about joining us so it's obviously who is organising the meets that bother you.

All I'm trying to say Tring is just lay off attacking people just for not agreeing with you all of the time. The spat between you and Cerbs prompted quite a few people to comment on how it was boring and doing the site harm so it isn't just me.

There are people who I don't particularly agree with on here all the time but I listen to what they have to say out of common courtesy and sometimes they have interesting or controversial things to say which get you thinking. Gasser9 has been saying how he doesn't think Buz was often a match winner, other peopl disagree but it's debate.

Please Tring just have a think about it, let people be boring without trying to chase them off. You have interesting stuff to say and love the banter on here and it's what makes this site for me.

And GOB don't use anything from this post to beat Tring with, I don't need back up, I just want Tring to relax and chill a bit and it's not me having a go, I just want the site to benefit.

GOB wrote:

I agree GS, it comes to something when you can't even post one of these smiley things without being accused of being one gang or another, Jeez!

It's all about balance and views, it's all very well having them providing you're prepared to allow others to have them.

And GS, ATD was never in danger of becoming more one sided than the other, nor was it ever in danger of being "pasotified" or aligning itself with the club to create a site that was incapable of questioning the club, that was all just propaganda. Everyone involved behind the scenes previously had differing views but everyone also encouraged others to oppose those views. They didn't however encourage very personal and hurtful attacks and everyone would have acted to prevent it. There's a difference.

You still aren't over your boy narrowly losing an election are you ? That's the real issue.


From his reaction I'd say I got it spot on with his 'ambition'. Any unambitious member would have taken a back seat for a year, gone on a charm offensive and stood again next year.
Instead of that , the toys are all over the place and it's all Tringy's fault................. and the admin of course, for not being bullied.

As I have said, you can always be sure of a decent debate from you Tring.

GJ, someone's hacked your account again, good post

Greenjock wrote:

It's true that I like it on here because you can talk frankly and call a spade a spade, but I still fail to see why sensible and Merv have done that warrants you laying into them.

You're ecstatic when Merv announced he wasn't posting on here anymore and I don't understand why?

Ok I get your spat with Cerbs and subsequently with GOB, or with the posters who are obviously Newells puppets just here for a wind up and I give them plenty too, but I don't know why you get pleasure in pissing off people so much that they stop posting, for being a bit boring. feck me this place would be empty if being boring was an offence that carried a mandatory ban.

And talking of gangs, the cherry tree thing is stupid. It's a few posters who are all going to the game anyway meeting up for a drink because they use this site. When I make a home game I will be joining them and I don't think anyone could accuse me of having a hidden agenda, wanting to run this place or being a Newell mole. I wouldn't run in the mod elections despite being asked by you amongst others.

I suggested meeting up at a cricket match pre season and there was nothing sinister about that, and you even talked about joining us so it's obviously who is organising the meets that bother you.

All I'm trying to say Tring is just lay off attacking people just for not agreeing with you all of the time. The spat between you and Cerbs prompted quite a few people to comment on how it was boring and doing the site harm so it isn't just me.

There are people who I don't particularly agree with on here all the time but I listen to what they have to say out of common courtesy and sometimes they have interesting or controversial things to say which get you thinking. Gasser9 has been saying how he doesn't think Buz was often a match winner, other peopl disagree but it's debate.

Please Tring just have a think about it, let people be boring without trying to chase them off. You have interesting stuff to say and love the banter on here and it's what makes this site for me.

And GOB don't use anything from this post to beat Tring with, I don't need back up, I just want Tring to relax and chill a bit and it's not me having a go, I just want the site to benefit.

Jock, The Cherry Tree Cabal was a phrase I coined in the early days of the modroom fallout, when I was outnumbered in admin by SOME of those who had started having a drink in the CT together.
It is now being used , along with accusations of bullying, being like Newell etc etc., as if I believe anyone who joins the CT freak meet is part of the cabal. Get real ffs !

I remind you, that GOB is adept at character assassination and if enough mud is thrown, some will stick in the mind, as it has done with you.

Finally, I do not try to chase people off..

If I am criticised, as I often am, for my views. I take it and bite back. What tends to happen then is the other side squeals 'foul' and so the cycle continues.

Not once have I complained to others/mods about the abuse and lies aimed at me , neither have any of those who tend to stick up for me.

Posters like myself and Greenskin have tried to explain our views to the likes of SG and his supporters, to the point of desperation. There is no coming together.

Probably best we ignore eachother, as I originally intended.