Luke McCormick trial at Swindon

The problem I've got, is, that he's not exactly done his time, he's done half of it.

Mock Cuncher wrote:

The problem I've got, is, that he's not exactly done his time, he's done half of it.

Take the matter up with the department of Justice then!

Mock Cuncher wrote:

The problem I've got, is, that he's not exactly done his time, he's done half of it.

Standard practice if an inmate behaves.

I agree, it's totally wrong. He got 7 years 4 months. Ok, knock the four months off if he's not wet the bed, but a sentence length should be set because it's appropriate to the crime, not half of it.

There's not a person on this site that wouldn't be furious if the man who'd killed their children was let out of prison early. I'm all for second chances, but surely he has to do his time (which wasn't enough in the first place). In the eyes of the law he's served his time and there nothing that anyone can do about that. But spare a thought for the parents of the children he killed before saying he should be free to carry on with a normal life.

Chingers wrote:

There's not a person on this site that wouldn't be furious if the man who'd killed their children was let out of prison early. I'm all for second chances, but surely he has to do his time (which wasn't enough in the first place). In the eyes of the law he's served his time and there nothing that anyone can do about that. But spare a thought for the parents of the children he killed before saying he should be free to carry on with a normal life.

I do spare a thought for the parents, they must be going through living hell.

Nothing will bring back those children, and Luke will have to deal with that for the rest of his life. a punishment in it's self.

Lee Jameson wrote:

Mock Cuncher wrote:

The problem I've got, is, that he's not exactly done his time, he's done half of it.

Take the matter up with the department of Justice then!

I'm assuming that's potential politician speak is it?

gasser9 wrote:

Lee Jameson wrote:

Mock Cuncher wrote:

The problem I've got, is, that he's not exactly done his time, he's done half of it.

Take the matter up with the department of Justice then!

I'm assuming that's potential politician speak is it?

No it was me making a point!

Unusually for me, I just read all the comments on this on the Herald web-site. Someone made a similar point that it isn't Luke's fault that the law works in the way that it does. He shouldn't be the object of anger at how the law works. All those law-abiding people who want their pound of flesh additional to the law should take their complaints elsewhere.

Having said that, he is either a foolish man or a very brave one to think he can stand in front of a crowd at football and emerge without hours of abuse or worse.

Lee Jameson wrote:

Mock Cuncher wrote:

The problem I've got, is, that he's not exactly done his time, he's done half of it.

Take the matter up with the department of Justice then!

I will.

Right now.

Or not.

Because I can't be arsed.

It is wrong, though, innit. I'm not saying he should be in jail forever, but if he is to be released early then perhaps he ought to be compelled to do societal work for the remainder of the time due, or something.

I mean, I think we all know prison is a waste of everyone's time for all but the most violent of offenders. But deterrent, payback and justice are all things we should be looking to uphold.

should be compelled to read every post on PASOTI and ATD before being allowed out. By which time he will be a gibbering idiot.

knecht wrote:

Unusually for me, I just read all the comments on this on the Herald web-site. Someone made a similar point that it isn't Luke's fault that the law works in the way that it does. He shouldn't be the object of anger at how the law works. All those law-abiding people who want their pound of flesh additional to the law should take their complaints elsewhere.

Having said that, he is either a foolish man or a very brave one to think he can stand in front of a crowd at football and emerge without hours of abuse or worse.

And then those that openly abuse him, depending on their taunts, will be the ones in the wrong, in the eyes of the law.

It ain't right.

This is what the West Ham fans think. Caution, swearing alert.

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Lee Jameson wrote:

gasser9 wrote:

Lee Jameson wrote:

Mock Cuncher wrote:

The problem I've got, is, that he's not exactly done his time, he's done half of it.

Take the matter up with the department of Justice then!

I'm assuming that's potential politician speak is it?

No it was me making a point!

A real smart ass one then because along with the give him another chance brigade you haven't caught the public mood.
Do not take the postings on here or Pasoti as a reflection of the general public because Luke was one of ours and peoples judgments are clouded.

In the outside world and in the football world outside of PAFC his return to football is unacceptable and he should never set foot on a football pitch again. I met Luke prior to the accident and a nicer unassuming guy you couldn't wish to meet. Not up himself or flash at all but he will be hounded out of the game of that I am convinced because he will be followed everywhere and even an innocent meal in a restaurant with his wife will attract headlines about him enjoying himself no doubt with a picture of the father of the two kids sat in his wheelchair.

What he did cannot be defended and he should try and find a low profile job somewhere or some community work but to step back on to a football pitch - no way.

gasser9 wrote:

Lee Jameson wrote:

gasser9 wrote:

Lee Jameson wrote:

Mock Cuncher wrote:

The problem I've got, is, that he's not exactly done his time, he's done half of it.

Take the matter up with the department of Justice then!

I'm assuming that's potential politician speak is it?

No it was me making a point!

A real smart ass one then because along with the give him another chance brigade you haven't caught the public mood.
Do not take the postings on here or Pasoti as a reflection of the general public because Luke was one of ours and peoples judgments are clouded.

In the outside world and in the football world outside of PAFC his return to football is unacceptable and he should never set foot on a football pitch again. I met Luke prior to the accident and a nicer unassuming guy you couldn't wish to meet. Not up himself or flash at all but he will be hounded out of the game of that I am convinced because he will be followed everywhere and even an innocent meal in a restaurant with his wife will attract headlines about him enjoying himself no doubt with a picture of the father of the two kids sat in his wheelchair.

What he did cannot be defended and he should try and find a low profile job somewhere or some community work but to step back on to a football pitch - no way.

This is my view as well. I'm not sure if he knows how much stick he's going to get, but he will be a media target for a while and a supporters target for much longer.

I don't know what point Swindon are trying to make by doing this but it's rubbing it right in the faces of the parents of the two lads. I actually think he'll get binned after his trial anyway as the adverse publicity the club will attract will be too much. McCormick would be far more trouble than he's worth. There's plenty of other keepers.

Nobody's defending what he did. It's now that the debate is about.

I was not gonna comment on this as it is a touchy subject, but my take on it is what mcCormick did was a very tragic accident, he's not a murderer he didnt set out to kill those kids, it was a terrible and ultimately tragic event, and although i thought his sentance was leniant as i knew he could be out in under 4 years, he has served the time of his sentance. Now although i feel for the family, loosing 2 kids is beyond thinkable especially being a parent myself, BUT i feel McCormick has every right to go back to his chosen profession now his sentance has been served, its all he knows, he's not rubbing it in the parents faces as they have claimed today in a particular paper, he is trying to get on with his life. Although its easy to say what about those kids they cant get on with thiers, no they cant, but whats done was done, he's served his time, and he needs to be getting on with his life. For one moment im pretty certain he's never gonna forget the tragic accident he had that has detroyed a family, and being in the public eye is gonna be very difficult, but people move on, look at Lee Hughes for instance, dont see anyone banging on about him not being able to play, he had a similer sentance for a similer thing and has been back playing for 4-5 years.

My take on it is lets move on, let him get on with it, let him live his life the way he wants to.

Im pretty certain if i was the parents id feel differant, but im not im a nuetral, and thats just my opinion.

He's served his time and he must now get on with what will be a very difficult life, but I think he's being a little insensitive if he believes that he'll be accepted back into a public lifestyle with ease. It would have been better for all if he sought a lesser "high profile" lifestyle.

I have never met McCormick but I've been led to believe that he is a gentleman, I'm disappointed that he seems to have chosen professional football as his career.

GOB wrote:

He's served his time and he must now get on with what will be a very difficult life, but I think he's being a little insensitive if he believes that he'll be accepted back into a public lifestyle with ease. It would have been better for all if he sought a lesser "high profile" lifestyle.

I have never met McCormick but I've been led to believe that he is a gentleman, I'm disappointed that he seems to have chosen professional football as his career.

Like i said though GOB, yes its a job in the public eye, but it is his chosen profession, and its no differant to Lee Hughes, yes he will get flack but probably for a few months until people find someone else to shout at. yes it will be difficult for him, but i offer no sympathy to him for that.

125+1 wrote:

GOB wrote:

He's served his time and he must now get on with what will be a very difficult life, but I think he's being a little insensitive if he believes that he'll be accepted back into a public lifestyle with ease. It would have been better for all if he sought a lesser "high profile" lifestyle.

I have never met McCormick but I've been led to believe that he is a gentleman, I'm disappointed that he seems to have chosen professional football as his career.

Like i said though GOB, yes its a job in the public eye, but it is his chosen profession, and its no differant to Lee Hughes, yes he will get flack but probably for a few months until people find someone else to shout at. yes it will be difficult for him, but i offer no sympathy to him for that.

Yes you're quite right 125. We will all differ on this, it's not an easy call. My views on this subject fluctuate by the minute.

Radio 5Live devoted over an hour to this topic last night.

A very interesting and thought provoking debate with contributions from the Swindon Chairman (if Luke signs he'll be doing a lot of community work about what he's been through with a view to helping others) Swindon ST holders who say they'll tear up their tickets if he signs, and even a call from a man who's daughter was killed by a drunk driver, saying everyone deserves the chance to rehabilitation.

A very divided debate but one comment that struck me was that Luke seems to be being punished more (if he can't go back into football) because of his job-no one would boycott Tesco's just because they employed an ex offender.