Confused

125+1 wrote:

With what we have left and potential new signings, depending on who is shifted on, i dont think its looking to bad though is it really, example

Romain Larreu

Durrell Berry Bonz N'Gala Curtis Nelson Robbie Williams

Simon Walton Damian Johnson Carl Fletcher Luke Young

Joe Mason Liam Dickinson


Plus 9 more

I think that team has got "bottom 2" written all over it. Unless of course, the 9 more turn out to be good.

Nelson, Young and Mason (if they stay) are too young to get through a 46 game season. N'Gala is terrible. Walton won't get through a season. The 3 new guys are rejects. That leaves a lot on the shoulders of the 3 senior pro's.

Frank Bullitt wrote:

125+1 wrote:

With what we have left and potential new signings, depending on who is shifted on, i dont think its looking to bad though is it really, example

Romain Larreu

Durrell Berry Bonz N'Gala Curtis Nelson Robbie Williams

Simon Walton Damian Johnson Carl Fletcher Luke Young

Joe Mason Liam Dickinson


Plus 9 more

I think that team has got "bottom 2" written all over it. Unless of course, the 9 more turn out to be good.

Nelson, Young and Mason (if they stay) are too young to get through a 46 game season. N'Gala is terrible. Walton won't get through a season. The 3 new guys are rejects. That leaves a lot on the shoulders of the 3 senior pro's.

Fletch will be a good L2 standard midfielder but I agree that team is nowhere near strong enough. If we survive we are heading for the third straight relegation. Any further signings will also be rejects/loanees.

Trust in stapes/the riddler/heaney

Enjoy the ride

Year on year improvement

Freathy wrote:

Frank Bullitt wrote:

125+1 wrote:

With what we have left and potential new signings, depending on who is shifted on, i dont think its looking to bad though is it really, example

Romain Larreu

Durrell Berry Bonz N'Gala Curtis Nelson Robbie Williams

Simon Walton Damian Johnson Carl Fletcher Luke Young

Joe Mason Liam Dickinson


Plus 9 more

I think that team has got "bottom 2" written all over it. Unless of course, the 9 more turn out to be good.

Nelson, Young and Mason (if they stay) are too young to get through a 46 game season. N'Gala is terrible. Walton won't get through a season. The 3 new guys are rejects. That leaves a lot on the shoulders of the 3 senior pro's.

Fletch will be a good L2 standard midfielder but I agree that team is nowhere near strong enough. If we survive we are heading for the third straight relegation. Any further signings will also be rejects/loanees.

Trust in stapes/the riddler/heaney

Enjoy the ride

Year on year improvement

My concern with any of the remaining players is that they have a losing mentality. I agree that Fletch SHOULD be up to it, but after everything he has been through with the club is he really going to be up for a long hard season in the cloggers league?

And, although I know we're not allowed to say it, Peter Reid is the wrong manager for this L2 relegation scrap we are about to enter.

Same mentality from those that can't get a better deal elsewhere, same manager, same owners pulling the strings behind it all... what on earth is going to change ?
NGala was a huge failure, Romain bless him can't kick a football, Fletch can't protect his back four, and poor young Joe is learning bad habits. I could go on.
Losing and winning really is a habit. Looks like replacements are going to be real cheap deals.
I believe this season's football will be sacrfificed to keep down the money losses. Fans will soon pick up on what's going down.

125+1 wrote:

GOB wrote:

Anyone else a bit confused at the moment, I mean do we still have a club to support and if we do is it still the same club?

I'm not sure if I'm a fan any more, in fact I'm not sure I should even be posting this on a fans website, WTF is going on and where do we stand on all this?

If you buy a ST is it worth it or will it just be giving a property developer money?

If like me and it's POTD is it worth it or am I just giving a property developer money?

Just, WTF?

That would be a shame GOB, I know you have been crying out for the club to fold, and start again, but that truly would be the end, lets just make it clear the club is seperate from the property deal, so every hard earned pound we spend at home park will go into the club. I know you can say we are paying rent for the ground, so in theory we are lining the pockets of the developers, but as soon as we went bust, the ground was always gone. No one wants the football club, only the land, which is a shame, and with no sugar daddies we should be grateful PAFC is still breathing. I have read enough on this site to know your veiws on the riddler, and although i am most definetly not a fan, im prepared to see where he takes us over the next couple of years. Personally i feel within the next 3-5 years Kevin Heaney will have sold off truro and will be the official owner and chairman.

But the club can only progress with the fans support, so i hope you reconsider and get behind the greens once again.

Firstly, welcome to the forum 125+1, how did you get that name BTW?

I think you summed my expressions very well, "crying out" is a good description. Yes I think the club should be wound up as I really do not want to support what is in true terms, simply front for a development company, if I wanted to do that I would just as well support McAlpine or Wimpy. I would also say that the club as we know it, no longer exist anyway so winding the club up would simply be the official term.

You mention every hard earned pound spent at club, or a better description maybe the "development company". The rest of your comments I agree with except to say that I think the club has already taken its death gasp, so "grateful" is probably a word best avoided.

With Heany's past record of staff treatment and dealings, I hope you are wrong and, with Ridsdale's record and track record as well as reputation and soon to be court case, I again hope he is long gone more so for the city and its park then the club. I expect we will still see an attendance of some description in the future as the insecure hang on to the corpse of our football club, but I expect to see bulldozers and pick up trucks moving in rather then players.

The club can only progress if there's a club to progress, with the reputations of those involved I very much doubt much of any income will be used for the future of the club.

I agree about the "gratitude" crap which seems to be used so much in relation to the current situation.Why should the public of the 13th biggest city in the country be grateful that the club may cobble together a team suitable for a relegation scrap in the lowest division of the FL? Funnily enough,the extraordinary tolerance level of people with an interest in Argyle cropped up in a conversation with an Argyle supporting mate of mine on Saturday.We agreed that in just about every other major city in England,there would have been riots had damage similar to that inflicted on Argyle been carried out at their local clubs.The compliant press,the faithful old sheepdog mentality,the willingness to accept second, third, and fourth best,the excuse making for incompetence and greed,its all so lowest common denominator.Depressing.

That's why we are the Aviva boys. Right bird ?

Greenskin wrote:

I agree about the "gratitude" crap which seems to be used so much in relation to the current situation.Why should the public of the 13th biggest city in the country be grateful that the club may cobble together a team suitable for a relegation scrap in the lowest division of the FL? Funnily enough,the extraordinary tolerance level of people with an interest in Argyle cropped up in a conversation with an Argyle supporting mate of mine on Saturday.We agreed that in just about every other major city in England,there would have been riots had damage similar to that inflicted on Argyle been carried out at their local clubs.The compliant press,the faithful old sheepdog mentality,the willingness to accept second, third, and fourth best,the excuse making for incompetence and greed,its all so lowest common denominator.Depressing.

I think the timing is much to do with the lack of militancy GS. Had we been in the position that we’re in today half way through the season, it may have been different. It’s also an excellent bit of work by those responsible, it’s been carried out with military precision similar to the timing of the closure of the Mayflower terracing.

What we’re seeing today has been planned for a longggg, long time, this hasn’t been dreamt up over night.

"Grateful" and "look how far we've come" - Two of the same in my opinion.

The time for militancy was when *****wallet sold Ollie's best players which began this road to destruction. That was the time to make a stand. Ollie even warned the fans in the press what was about to happen, possibly in the vain hope that the fans may actually be a bit peeved and kick up a stink. But no, this was Argyle fans he was talking to. The dim witted dullards could only say "trust in stapes" and "what a great bit of business by stapes" and, as mentioned by GOB, the immortal "look how far we've come". No wonder Ollie couldn't get away from this lunatic asylum fast enough when Milan Mandaric came calling. It must come as no surprise to him whatsoever to see us now in the bottom division.

The owners and the back of the grandstand gang blame the fans for being fickle, the greedy property consultants blame the fans for being luddite and backward. It's just the same age old gig as blaming the 'lazy' shop floor workers.

Plymouth still has a garrison town mentality. Like all such places, it has obedience bred into it over many generations. Just get out there on the streets of the city and witness the hostility you receive if you demonstrate about anything. The only militancy respected here is that behind the Union Jack.

penzancepirate wrote:

The owners and the back of the grandstand gang blame the fans for being fickle, the greedy property consultants blame the fans for being luddite and backward. It's just the same age old gig as blaming the 'lazy' shop floor workers.

Plymouth still has a garrison town mentality. Like all such places, it has obedience bred into it over many generations. Just get out there on the streets of the city and witness the hostility you receive if you demonstrate about anything. The only militancy respected here is that behind the Union Jack.

Exactly. I remember well, comparing the Trust in Stapes mentality to that of the poor souls in WW1 who had no choice but to 'go over the top' to almost certain death.

When I referred to the majority of Pasoti users as cannon fodder, instead of sparking thought processes, all I got was holier than thou disrespect for the dead.
'Feck off and support Manu, youm naaaat a praaaaper fan !'
and 'How dare you bring our brave boys into this !'

They were accepting of mediocrity then and are now ever so grateful to spivs and corporate conmen.
We are so parochial that even Exeter looks down upon our simple souls.

In some respects I'm relieved that I don't feel I have a "duty" to give my support to my team anymore, the sheer incompetence surrounding the whole club has released me from any obligation and I can start to enjoy the finer things in life with a clear conscience.

I'm just pissed that the baggage I carry still means all the multitudes I know, who know of my previous loyalties still open conversations when we met with "what's going on up Argo then"? Anyone know any snappy short answers?

Charlie Wood wrote:

In some respects I'm relieved that I don't feel I have a "duty" to give my support to my team anymore, the sheer incompetence surrounding the whole club has released me from any obligation and I can start to enjoy the finer things in life with a clear conscience.

I'm just pissed that the baggage I carry still means all the multitudes I know, who know of my previous loyalties still open conversations when we met with "what's going on up Argo then"? Anyone know any snappy short answers?

Yeah............I'll get all that shit too when I get back to Tring for a few weeks. I was known as 'the Argyle supporter' .

I'll give them the Cyprus shrug and mutter something like, 'there's something in the water........ Aviva got it about right.'

I'll be amazed if many purchase season tickets, it'll be like taking a bet with Author Daly on Red Rum making a come back. Of course that will give the owners just what they want, the excuse to shut up shop, so..............

So the good and the great have the choice of licking the spivs' assholes while they try to get rich or pull the plug now and to hell with it.

I know what they'll choose...................... wet wipe anyone ?

Tringreen wrote:

So the good and the great have the choice of licking the spivs' assholes while they try to get rich or pull the plug now and to hell with it.

I know what they'll choose...................... wet wipe anyone ?

Better get down to the cash n carry for extra supplies during the Pasoti/ Trust Love in !

In the land of the blind, the one eyed Aviva boy is King