Disillusionment

I am having a crisis that I did not ever expect to have and it has been finally prompted by the announcement of next season's season ticket price. I have had a season ticket as long as I can remember. I'm not the sort to be put off by crap players, lousy management or piss poor ownership. I kind of expect those things and I am made of stern enough stuff to rise above them. Even two relegations, administration, Guilfoyle and Ridsdale did not put me off renewing my season ticket last season. Recent events have. The Deep Throat/Jameson/Neweel/Bowden thing sickens me. It absolutely sickens me. None of them are anything directly to do with the club. So it shouldn't matter much. Chris Webb is though. His "recent IP problems" and his complete lack of an honest response to questions about it added to the lingering feeling that there has been a Pasoti mod led cover-up to keep his name out of it is a step too far. And he is a part of the club. It all stinks. It stinks and the stench is worse than anything than any attached the club before and given what has gone before that is an unbelievably bad smell.

I won't be going to Meet Brent. I might not ever set foot inside the ground again. So read the above to Brent when it happens for me please. And it is most delberately not phrased as a question because I can't imagine any words he can come up with will make me feel any different while Webb and Newell are involved in the club.

That's a shame Sir Francis and it is not right. How about if he said "Webb......you're fired".

I'm not going to come out with the usual "don't let them drive you out" because whatever you decided to do would be a personal choice and should be your's. For what it's worth I don't think Mr Webb will be around for that long because whatever he has been involved with will catch up with him in the end. Wait till he and Mr Newell fall out as there is nothing worse than a spurned lover so to speak.

I agree my friend..
The guys who attend the meeting on behalf of this site need to make Brent aware of this recent episode.
It stinks and the 2 "high profile" characters need to be driven out of any roles of responsibility connected with the club.

One mans War Hero is anothers fraud!

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I am having a crisis that I did not ever expect to have and it has been finally prompted by the announcement of next season's season ticket price. I have had a season ticket as long as I can remember. I'm not the sort to be put off by crap players, lousy management or piss poor ownership. I kind of expect those things and I am made of stern enough stuff to rise above them. Even two relegations, administration, Guilfoyle and Ridsdale did not put me off renewing my season ticket last season. Recent events have. The Deep Throat/Jameson/Neweel/Bowden thing sickens me. It absolutely sickens me. None of them are anything directly to do with the club. So it shouldn't matter much. Chris Webb is though. His "recent IP problems" and his complete lack of an honest response to questions about it added to the lingering feeling that there has been a Pasoti mod led cover-up to keep his name out of it is a step too far. And he is a part of the club. It all stinks. It stinks and the stench is worse than anything than any attached the club before and given what has gone before that is an unbelievably bad smell.

I won't be going to Meet Brent. I might not ever set foot inside the ground again. So read the above to Brent when it happens for me please. And it is most delberately not phrased as a question because I can't imagine any words he can come up with will make me feel any different while Webb and Newell are involved in the club.

Me too SFD. I don't feel like I'm wanted as an Argyle fan. It's like a members only club now, and we've been black-balled.

The Trust was the one positive thing that seemed to come out of the last few years, and the very people who were at the heart of it now seem hell bent on destroying it, or having it on their terms or not at all. I cannot stand Peter Ridsdale and didn't want a slimeball like him having anything to do with Argyle, so when he left I was delighted. Now it just feels like we've swapped one dodgy character for a gang of them.

I've hardly make an effort to get to games recently, and didn't even travel to Bristol, Swindon or Yeovil, all of which are less than an hour away for me. I haven't been to Home Park this season and won't be going anytime soon while this situation continues.

Some people will say that it's just the Internet and it doesn't matter, well it does to me. We're talking about deliberate sabotage of The Trust and the Club President up to no good. It doesn't feel like Argyle anymore and I get the impression it never will again.

Greenjock wrote:

Some people will say that it's just the Internet and it doesn't matter, well it does to me. We're talking about deliberate sabotage of The Trust and the Club President up to no good. It doesn't feel like Argyle anymore and I get the impression it never will again.

This.

I probably won't be able to afford to renew my ST this year, and I'm shocked at how little this is upsetting me.

And Deep Throat seems to continue to amuse IjN on his Twitter. Jameson is having little pops at Cobi for posting here. Chris Webb gets @'d into the conversation. No condemnation from him even those he's quite vocal at people who have a go at players. It all a bit sad and leaves a bad taste. Dane Bunney is in the mix as well.

There are people who really don't think they've done anything wrong. It will be even worse if James Brent continues to entertain them. It's more connected to the club and the way the club is going than most Pasotiers give thought to. The Trust has at least been severely wounded and will have to fight and work very hard to rebuild a reputation that didn't deserve to be sullied in the first place.

The only ones that benefit are those that want the Trust to fail or at least be subservient to a mealy mouthed GasBoard. Who was it said that no scruntiny of James Brent was needed anyway (clue:he happily gave away a multiple account password).

Now we have people who had previously said they'd run onto the pitch falling in behind a declaration that a fine would hamper buying a striker in the summer. Talk about delivering a compliant an base.

I cast my mind back to the recent Aldershot games when one of the worse displays by an Argyle team I'd witnessed was greeted by near hysteria. I'm not one to boo a team off but I certainly aren't to clap and applaud something so devoid and vacant.

I hoping next year all the faux happy clappy stuff stops. That we move on from having to be grateful for the club being saved. That next year no one has to be challenged by the mantra 'what did you do in the war'. That Real fans are any with even a passing interest in the club whether they tow the line or swim against the tide of popular or inherited opinion. In fact I would like people to think for themselves. The sight for example of users giving up there pseudonyms was slightly tragic.

I always feel Avivarishly optimistic at the start of each season. Its why it's part of my annual pilgrimage despite being an exile to the first home game of every season. Heres hoping no one believes or says that we are 1 or 2 players short of a good team. Heres hoping that burden of debt doesn't drag the playing budget down to much. Heres hoping next season can be about football football football.

Too right Dougie. I had to have a look and I see our bent politician has joined forces with Dane Bunney to abuse me on twatter maybe you can make fwends with Bunneys other mates. They discuss raping 15yr old girls and filming it and racially abuse Muslims normally, and Dane finds it hilarious.

Wouldn't have thought that was the behaviour of a prospective Labour candidate? But then neither is lying and backstabbing to get your own way over The Trust and you did that.

And of course Mr Squeaky Clean Union man, or Windsor Boy as he's otherwise known, hardly displays the same behaviour on the internet as he does in his work role does he? #pair of two faced cnuts with political aspirations a fat man and a racist

Lots and lots and lots of reflections of how I feel on this thread. Well put particularly SFD and Dougie. All the peeps that have enjoyed taking the piss for the last 3 years don't bother anymore as they realise now that I just don't care.

I'm not one for preaching the 'Green, look how far we've come' bullshit but it matters not how fed up with this crap we are, or how disillusioned we are with the club, we will all always have green blood, it comes with being born a Janner.

I doubt I'll ever see top flight football at Home Park meaning that my old fella and born Manc and Man U fan....God bless him...will have won his bet and I'm sure that when he greets me at those pearly gates he'll be taking the pish about it.

But so what, how many times have Man U won the Devon Bowl, eh? And he never experienced the quarter final of the Watney Cup either!

I remember the BBC MOTD commentator describing us as "the most understanding fans in the country" during a cup match against Everton (I think!), he was right!

You know what though..?

The truth will come out. It always does. And I am betting in this case, sooner rather than later!
The smell of the dead bodies is too great. The can't be hidden any longer.

Then comes the moment of truth --

Webb is not a convicted man yet, but he certainly having a difficult job proving his innocence.

But Newell is busted. Done and dusted.

If Brent throws the lying bully out of Home Park then maybe he is the right owner for Argyle. A man of proven principle and integrity he will be.

Anything less than a years ban from Home Park for Newell will look to me like a whitewash.

All that you talk about is trash....Argyle is 11+ players who give their all when the Ref starts the game.....win...draw or lose that is PLYMOUTH ARGYLE FOOTBALL CLUB and they have been doing that for 125 years............the rest is a passing phase that will be gobbled up in time.......just look beyond it and support,support and then support again.....they will be long gone trash in the future......just look beyond it and get over it.

ZYPH wrote:

All that you talk about is trash....Argyle is 11+ players who give their all when the Ref starts the game.....win...draw or lose that is PLYMOUTH ARGYLE FOOTBALL CLUB and they have been doing that for 125 years............the rest is a passing phase that will be gobbled up in time.......just look beyond it and support,support and then support again.....they will be long gone trash in the future......just look beyond it and get over it.

What the man said.
Get over yourselves FFS.

GOB wrote:

I'm not one for preaching the 'Green, look how far we've come' bullshit but it matters not how fed up with this crap we are, or how disillusioned we are with the club, we will all always have green blood, it comes with being born a Janner.

I doubt I'll ever see top flight football at Home Park meaning that my old fella and born Manc and Man U fan....God bless him...will have won his bet and I'm sure that when he greets me at those pearly gates he'll be taking the pish about it.

But so what, how many times have Man U won the Devon Bowl, eh? And he never experienced the quarter final of the Watney Cup either!

I remember the BBC MOTD commentator describing us as "the most understanding fans in the country" during a cup match against Everton (I think!), he was right!

I'm with GOB. Depending on how you see it we're blessed or have been given a life sentence. Either way when I emerged in September 1970 at Freedom Fields my fate was set in stone.

Come on fellas. Regardless as to the feelings on here towards certain people you're attending a football match amongst 5,000 other people for God's sake. not having dinner with them. Why should that mean that you're deprived of a day out and supporting your team?

It's just a travelling drinking club, but a bloody fine one at that.

I'm not being driven away from the club by any superfans they can go and fek themselves, whether the enthusiasm and ambition of our owner matches mine is more of a relevant question. I have been very reticent to go to every match this season because the fare has been so dire, I can handle not being the top team in Devon, being the most boring, negative team in Devon is hard to stomach.

Nick Wall wrote:

GOB wrote:

I'm not one for preaching the 'Green, look how far we've come' bullshit but it matters not how fed up with this crap we are, or how disillusioned we are with the club, we will all always have green blood, it comes with being born a Janner.

I doubt I'll ever see top flight football at Home Park meaning that my old fella and born Manc and Man U fan....God bless him...will have won his bet and I'm sure that when he greets me at those pearly gates he'll be taking the pish about it.

But so what, how many times have Man U won the Devon Bowl, eh? And he never experienced the quarter final of the Watney Cup either!

I remember the BBC MOTD commentator describing us as "the most understanding fans in the country" during a cup match against Everton (I think!), he was right!

I'm with GOB. Depending on how you see it we're blessed or have been given a life sentence. Either way when I emerged in September 1970 at Freedom Fields my fate was set in stone.

Come on fellas. Regardless as to the feelings on here towards certain people you're attending a football match amongst 5,000 other people for God's sake. not having dinner with them. Why should that mean that you're deprived of a day out and supporting your team?

It's just a travelling drinking club, but a bloody fine one at that.

Precisely.

Whether you think that Newell and Webb are running the club or not, is, to 5000+ fans largely irrelevant.

We support the Argyle, and that's the way we like it!

For my part, it is somewhat encouraging to read of people, not the usual suspects that are branded freaks n weirdos , clearly stating they have had enough.

This Pasoti led cabal is corrupt , self promoting and controlling. The sooner the owner of the club is seen to realise this, we can all get back to feeling part of the football club again.

We don't want position. We do want honesty, integrity and democracy, in any form of fan representation.

I suspect that if you asked all the Argyle supporters on Saturday who Ian Newell was 98% wouldn't have a clue who you are talking about and the other 2% wouldn't know what his position is/was in relation to PAFC.
I just don't get this fixation with PASOTi.
I tried to read the DP thread on the PASOTI forum but gave up after 3 pages. It was mind numbing because all most of us want to do is watch a football match.

gasser9 wrote:

I suspect that if you asked all the Argyle supporters on Saturday who Ian Newell was 98% wouldn't have a clue who you are talking about and the other 2% wouldn't know what his position is/was in relation to PAFC.
I just don't get this fixation with PASOTi.
I tried to read the DP thread on the PASOTI forum but gave up after 3 pages. It was mind numbing because all most of us want to do is watch a football match.

Did you lock it too because it had been done to death ?

You're not renewing your ST because of the actions of Chris Webb? Oh dear.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

We NEED that waving emoticon.

JB is a shrewd operator and must have fully assessed the calibre of every person he deals with at and around the club.

I hope to feel a different vibe next season.

pilgrim_pete wrote:

You're not renewing your ST because of the actions of Chris Webb? Oh dear.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Here's a thought.

In the week that the owner of the local football club announces a deal to buy property off the local authority, and announces further development on the City's public open spaces, the vociferous fans (ie those on the web) aren't talking about that or the fact that, despite the owner of the club splashing the cash on property, staff will still have over four years to wait for all their wages to be paid. No we are talking about a few rather pathetic individuals who have abused the use of an internet fansite.

What you are suggesting Grovehill is along the line of the famous "good time to bury bad news". I don't quite see it that way. The Developer of public spaces and the owner of the football club might be one in the same person but the two are not even remotely connected. The other side of the business for Akernon has nothing to do with Argyle. The deal struck to become the owner of the football club contained the details about repayment of back wages and is being stuck to as far as I can see. We may not like it as a deal but that is a different matter to building and the pavillions.

The football forums contain the word "Argyle" in both their titles and therefore the talk on them has been about a matter relating to the club. Why is that so surprising and the influence over the club possibly held by the two mentioned is a matter for discussion amongst fans. The building has got something to do with fans who live in the City but along with all the other residents of the City and has no direct impact on the club or it's workings at all.

GOB wrote:

I'm not one for preaching the 'Green, look how far we've come' bullshit but it matters not how fed up with this crap we are, or how disillusioned we are with the club, we will all always have green blood, it comes with being born a Janner.

I doubt I'll ever see top flight football at Home Park meaning that my old fella and born Manc and Man U fan....God bless him...will have won his bet and I'm sure that when he greets me at those pearly gates he'll be taking the pish about it.

But so what, how many times have Man U won the Devon Bowl, eh? And he never experienced the quarter final of the Watney Cup either!

I remember the BBC MOTD commentator describing us as "the most understanding fans in the country" during a cup match against Everton (I think!), he was right!

Arguably off-thread, but the glorious Barry Davies commentary of the Derby County home game remains more vivid for me....

"What a day for the wearing of the Green" & "Oh, what an opportunity spurned!"....

Still got it on Betamax somewhere......

pilgrim_pete wrote:

You're not renewing your ST because of the actions of Chris Webb? Oh dear.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

At least there's no denial that Chris Webb is guilty of "the actions" in your reply so you must think he is as guilty as I do. As we all know he is. You also show no comprehension of the damage done by him and others. I have heard Brent speak from the stage of the Guildhall and promise a club built on transparency and openness. How does that square with the roles played by Webb and Newell in Deep Throat? You need to go back and study the history behind the real Deep Throat. Originally Deep Throat was a porn film and was adopted as a pseudonym by a Whitehouse insider who whistle blew about a minor burglary committed on behalf of The President. This was bad. But far worse was the web of lies that slowly unravelled as Nixon's dishonesty gradually became clearer and clearer leading to his eventual impeachment and resignation. The parallels are there if you look hard enough. However you read Brent's words "transparent and open" hardly apply and since this was all done in Brent's name it tarnishes his reputation whether he was involved in it or not. I wonder if he knows about what has happened?