Buzsaky

Stunning Buzsaky goal tonight for QPR. And a nice one for Mackie too.

Brings back happy memories of many long-range goals by Akos for Argyle.

Nostalgia isn't what it used to be!

It's great to see them doing well but it almost makes you cry thinking what could have been, and not that long ago.

The Trust in Stapes mentality still hangs like an Aviva shroud over Home Park.

Buz could and should have been scoring goals like that for us in the Prem. But all those who trusted in stapes now have the team and club they fully deserve. And now those same people are telling us to trust in brent. It's no wonder I'm not listening.

Freathy wrote:

Buz could and should have been scoring goals like that for us in the Prem. But all those who trusted in stapes now have the team and club they fully deserve. And now those same people are telling us to trust in brent. It's no wonder I'm not listening.

Fletcher will unearth some new talent, have faith.

There is this theory offered that it's horses for courses in the lower leagues. You need cloggers, direct play etc. Whilst that can be given some credence, the likes of Swansea, Norwich and Southampton have largely played their way through the leagues, with a mixture of both styles.

If you want to improve attendances, at least try to play some football.

'Tis true, the fare on offer last Saturday was truly dire, I was grateful for the 3 points but the game was awful (and the truth is we were extremely lucky not to lose to another bunch of useless cloggers). I think that that is where my beef is with Fletch, I could cope with getting well beaten by the likes of Swindon- after all Rome wasn't built in a day- but teams like 'shots are so poor we shouldn't be struggling against them.

What a team that was under Ollie.

Buzsaky should have been playing in the Premier League with us.

He wasn't even a regular in the Argyle side as out of just over a 100 appearances 30 plus of those was as sub.
Also only scored 9 goals in his time with us.
A good player but who is wearing green tinted glasses now?

gasser9 wrote:

He wasn't even a regular in the Argyle side as out of just over a 100 appearances 30 plus of those was as sub.
Also only scored 9 goals in his time with us.
A good player but who is wearing green tinted glasses now?

Amazing what coaching and some decent players around you can produce innit ?


Having said that, from my limited physical viewpoint, Buz and Mackie are not nailed on Prem standard.

Freathy wrote:

Buz could and should have been scoring goals like that for us in the Prem. But all those who trusted in stapes now have the team and club they fully deserve. And now those same people are telling us to trust in brent. It's no wonder I'm not listening.

By that logic if your next door neighbour is an idiot and thankfully he moves on does that mean every next door neighbour you get will be an idiot. The comparisons in terms of business acumen between Brent and Stapleton are immense and Brent's civic work is also proven. I tend to think people are genuine until I'm proved otherwise. It does make the world a more pleasant place to reside in Freathy - you should try it.

Nick Wall wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Buz could and should have been scoring goals like that for us in the Prem. But all those who trusted in stapes now have the team and club they fully deserve. And now those same people are telling us to trust in brent. It's no wonder I'm not listening.

By that logic if your next door neighbour is an idiot and thankfully he moves on does that mean every next door neighbour you get will be an idiot. The comparisons in terms of business acumen between Brent and Stapleton are immense and Brent's civic work is also proven. I tend to think people are genuine until I'm proved otherwise. It does make the world a more pleasant place to reside in Freathy - you should try it.

Call me an old cynic, or worse but..........................
If Brent does what he says, we can look forward to a tight ship, with plenty of fanfests and fund raising from the hardcore support, ably led by those who have the keys to the executive toilets, probably taking several years to pay off his debts, the retention of a dunce of a manager and if eventually, the club rises back through the leagues, Brent can either cash in to the highest bidder or do a Stapleton. Meanwhile he can concentrate on property development.
It all depends on your ambition, whether you blindly follow, like a good Aviva, or demand better for England's 13th largest city club.
Holloway's parting comments were along the lines of 'things were said and happened, that showed me the club's ambition did not match mine'.

Maybe that's the reason for the disputes. Most Avivas don't care where and how we play, as long as they have their Argo !
The likes of the dynamic duo, also see the opportunity for fame and will not let any dissenters stand in their way.

They really are like kids let loose in a sweet shop. They'll say and do anything to live the dream, even at the price of continued utter mediocrity on the pitch. How anyone can travel hundreds of miles, week in,week out, to watch the garbage on offer, is very sad and more than a little desperate.

Freathy wrote:

Buz could and should have been scoring goals like that for us in the Prem. But all those who trusted in stapes now have the team and club they fully deserve. And now those same people are telling us to trust in brent. It's no wonder I'm not listening.

Pretty certain it was Holloway that didnt want Busacky.

125+1 wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Buz could and should have been scoring goals like that for us in the Prem. But all those who trusted in stapes now have the team and club they fully deserve. And now those same people are telling us to trust in brent. It's no wonder I'm not listening.

Pretty certain it was Holloway that didnt want Busacky.

Christ almighty,this is about the tenth time i've posted this in relation to the "Holloway sold Buzz" mantra.

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125+1 wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Buz could and should have been scoring goals like that for us in the Prem. But all those who trusted in stapes now have the team and club they fully deserve. And now those same people are telling us to trust in brent. It's no wonder I'm not listening.

Pretty certain it was Holloway that didnt want Busacky.

That was the gospel according to Pasoti I believe.

If you silence dissenting voices and say something often enough, it becomes true................... on Animal Farm

They were glad to see the back of Mackie too........... 'bleddy headless chicken'

Buzacky-good player! thats it.

If I remember rightly, Stapes & Co were reluctant to sign Akos after his initial loan period (perhaps on the advice of Luggy?) but relented when it became clear he was a fans favourite and could boost ST sales.

I think the situation a couple of years later with Halmosi was quite similar.


God, we used to sign quality players-now the fans rave over geriatric Bournemouth reserves and guys who can't get a game for Preston.

According to Wikepedia he informed Argyle he would not sign a new contract because the Board refused to pay a fee to his agent for doing so. Not surprising that he was sold for a profit then rather than being able to walk away for free. One for the anoraks this but how many times did he start in a Holloway team? That would be more likely to suggest whether Holloway rated him or not rather than guessing at the real reason he left. I doubt a lot of what is said by parties in football which is notoriously worse than in politics. "The Manager has the full backing of the Board and Chairman" being the type of thing as the axe is being honed in readiness. The other type from players being that they didn't really want to leave and the extra £25k a week wasn't the reason. Course it wasn't.

He was a decent player but his goal scoring record wasn't anywhere near as good as Friio for example. He tended to bust the net from a distance which makes his goals more memorable when he did score. How many has he got for QPR?

Halmosi was also a superb player, he hasn't done much since he left us.

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

According to Wikepedia he informed Argyle he would not sign a new contract because the Board refused to pay a fee to his agent for doing so. Not surprising that he was sold for a profit then rather than being able to walk away for free. One for the anoraks this but how many times did he start in a Holloway team? That would be more likely to suggest whether Holloway rated him or not rather than guessing at the real reason he left. I doubt a lot of what is said by parties in football which is notoriously worse than in politics. "The Manager has the full backing of the Board and Chairman" being the type of thing as the axe is being honed in readiness. The other type from players being that they didn't really want to leave and the extra £25k a week wasn't the reason. Course it wasn't.

He was a decent player but his goal scoring record wasn't anywhere near as good as Friio for example. He tended to bust the net from a distance which makes his goals more memorable when he did score. How many has he got for QPR?

So the fact that Argyle's promotion chances and the possible financial rewards to be gained were being badly scuppered didn't enter into the boards thinking then? Probably not,actually. And for your information and inward digestion,Buzz started every game bar one under Holloway in the season that he was sold.

I never tire of watching this: Akos Buzsaky Ultimate Showboat.

I was right behind the one at Barnet at 1:30 in... it couldn't have been better struck and placed.

Our best flair player ever? Certainly the most mis-spelt ever

It was a genuine question on whether he started often or not for Hooloway so thank you Greenskin for providing the answer. I would say on the evidence that the rumour of a fallout with Holloway was not correct given that fact. It therefore comes down to the unwillingness of the Argyle Board to pay the piper as the more likely answer of why he left.

I still maintain that his goal scoring exploits were over egged however. When he scored it was not a tap in and therefore the goals are probably more memorable for that reason. He was not prolific though but was employed more for his distribution ability and setting up others. Good player as said previously but I never quite see the point in going down the "what if" route. He left so end of really.

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

It was a genuine question on whether he started often or not for Hooloway so thank you Greenskin for providing the answer. I would say on the evidence that the rumour of a fallout with Holloway was not correct given that fact. It therefore comes down to the unwillingness of the Argyle Board to pay the piper as the more likely answer of why he left.

I still maintain that his goal scoring exploits were over egged however. When he scored it was not a tap in and therefore the goals are probably more memorable for that reason. He was not prolific though but was employed more for his distribution ability and setting up others. Good player as said previously but I never quite see the point in going down the "what if" route. He left so end of really.

But thats the whole point,it shouldn't have been "end of".Do you not think that Argyle's penchant for selling off good players over a period of many decades has been a major factor in the non-achievement of the club? If so,surely these issues should be debated and pressure put on the powers-that-be not to sell us down the river again in future?

When Akos was here I was happy to hand over my cash (even though I was a ST chap back then), just to see him perform. I don't care about the team performance or even results, he was breathtaking and in my 50+ years of support a rare gem.

Another genuine question for you then Greenskin. What was he offerred to stay in the contract compared to what he wanted and how much was the payment to the Agent they wouldn't pay? Is the amount of either in the public domain. To judge the Board on the sale you have to know all of the details otherwise it is impossible to apportion blame fairly. I think it is fair to say that we have never had a Board or single owner with the wedge to be able to throw money at the club in any sort of devil may care way.

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

Another genuine question for you then Greenskin. What was he offerred to stay in the contract compared to what he wanted and how much was the payment to the Agent they wouldn't pay? Is the amount of either in the public domain. To judge the Board on the sale you have to know all of the details otherwise it is impossible to apportion blame fairly. I think it is fair to say that we have never had a Board or single owner with the wedge to be able to throw money at the club in any sort of devil may care way.

I don't know about the contract details but i would say that you miss my point here in any case.Buzz was a contracted player at Argyle until the following summer and by his own admission [see my above post],had no particular desire to leave the club.It strikes me that selling off an admittedly mercurial but match winning talent at that stage of the season was tantamount to suicide,both from a football and financial point of view.What would £500k have been compared to the riches gained from even a play off spot that season,let alone actually reaching the premiership? I firmly believe that Argyle would have got to the play offs that season if Buzz,Norris,Gosling had been retained and a good replacement for SEB signed.Certainly the Argyle squad was superior to that of Hull,who were the eventual play off winners,IMHO.The decision to sell Buzz was probably instrumental in Holloways departure and was the start of the sale of the players in whom we had placed our hopes for the future-the domino effect kicked in,which in turn led to decreased attendances and a general malaise about the club,leading to the inevitable relegation and financial disaster.All for a poxy £500,000,which was an absurdly low price for a player of that quality anyway.QPR must have been pissing up their proverbial kilts.