So what exactly are peoples gripes about Fletcher as manager?

Is anal ventriloquism your's?

You are the one who said the players managed themselves not me. If that is the case then all clubs players at this level are capable of doing that surely or did you just mean Argyle's? Either a manager is a part of the set up and needed or he isn't. Either a manager is to blame for failure or credited for considered success in all clubs or none are. Selective argument is not an argument at all in my opinion of course.

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

Is anal ventriloquism your's?

You are the one who said the players managed themselves not me. If that is the case then all clubs players at this level are capable of doing that surely or did you just mean Argyle's? Either a manager is a part of the set up and needed or he isn't. Either a manager is to blame for failure or credited for considered success in all clubs or none are. Selective argument is not an argument at all in my opinion of course.

OMG ! I'm saying that I think that Fletch is probably a bit thick. He certainly sounds it. If he is as ponderous and tongue tied on the training ground etc as he is when interviewed, how on earth can he get much across to the players, even if there is anything inspiring going on behind the staring eyes ? The level is so poor that Purse, Wotton and co. can 'organise' enough to make us boring as hell but difficult to break down.

Enough please. If he gets Argyle promoted I'll eat my 1984 Semi Final hat................... or at least some of it.

"If he is as ponderous and tongue tied on the training ground........." Speaking in front of a camera is nowhere near the same as to his colleagues in the work place and many many people would testify to that. His job is being able to conduct a training session and select a team for a matchday along with any specific tactics not be able to give the Dimbleby Lecture. I have reservations about his managerial prowess along with many others but am big enough to give him credit where it is due and acknowledge at least his managership has been part of the ressurection of the club. I frankly could not care if he couldn't speak at all to the media as it gets us no points whatsoever which is his prime concern.

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

"If he is as ponderous and tongue tied on the training ground........." Speaking in front of a camera is nowhere near the same as to his colleagues in the work place and many many people would testify to that. His job is being able to conduct a training session and select a team for a matchday along with any specific tactics not be able to give the Dimbleby Lecture. I have reservations about his managerial prowess along with many others but am big enough to give him credit where it is due and acknowledge at least his managership has been part of the ressurection of the club. I frankly could not care if he couldn't speak at all to the media as it gets us no points whatsoever which is his prime concern.

And I daresay you were right behind Stapes for his prudent financial management too.

I reckon my hat is safe next year. What do you think ?

Lets just chuck in another little dig about something random and then the argument is done isn't it. What the feck has Stapleton got to do with whether Fletcher gets credit for keeping Argyle up or if speaking in front of a camera is the biggest priority in a manager? What comes next? Aviva, greentinted or some other little snipe. You are quite good at that as the only real argument put forward on many occasions. Why not try answering on the subject. How many training sessions have you witnessed for example.

Tringreen wrote:

Charlie Wood wrote:

It's all opinions isn't it. Nice to have a football discussion! Even I can say Fletcher has been successful in achieving a given target but IMHO it's been despite him and not because of him. The determination and fight that the players have demonstrated being the major factor for me. I just worry that we'll see another wasted season before the powers that be decide he isn't up to it. I sincerely hope I'm wrong because I'm running out of seasons.

I'm with you Charlie. Fore !

Hell's teeth ! I don't have the will to suffer your monotony any further. What Charlie has put forward I agree with.

Go bore someone else ffs .

So that would be no real argument against at all then. Pleasure to do business with you and keep practicing the ventrilloquism.

Am in agreement with Iggy,the most noticeable matchday management defecit is an inability to change games through subtitutions/formation changes,which I attribute to minimal managerial experience,although it makes me wonder what exactly Deehan does in the managerial food chain at H.P.Saying that makes me think in contrast of several games this season at Plainmoor,where Martin Ling has literally transformed a game by the selection and timing of a substitution or tactical change.But I get a definite sense that Fletcher is growing into his role-but clearly he has alot to learn.

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

Lets just chuck in another little dig about something random and then the argument is done isn't it. What the feck has Stapleton got to do with whether Fletcher gets credit for keeping Argyle up or if speaking in front of a camera is the biggest priority in a manager? What comes next? Aviva, greentinted or some other little snipe. You are quite good at that as the only real argument put forward on many occasions. Why not try answering on the subject. How many training sessions have you witnessed for example.

Wasn't Fletcher the last desperate roll of the dice by Luggy and Stapes in their efforts to keep Argyle in the CCC? Worked for a couple of months, but it's been downhill ever since.

If Alan Pardew ever needs to impress at an interview, he needn't tell them what he's achieved at Newcastle, just that he got Fletcher a game at Wembley!

This thread is about Fletcher's managerial worth not his playing worth Grovehill so highlighting the bit with Stapleton in proves what on that subject?

Your right sensible this thread is about Fletchers managerial worth.

It's never stopped Tringreen going off on a tangent before.....his pet negatives will always rise to the surface and that's why there is so much boring comments on this site.

Just forget pasoti and live your own life Larnaca man.

ZYPH wrote:

Your right sensible this thread is about Fletchers managerial worth.

It's never stopped Tringreen going off on a tangent before.....his pet negatives will always rise to the surface and that's why there is so much boring comments on this site.

Just forget pasoti and live your own life Larnaca man.

Have you ever thought of emigrating ZYPH ?

akagreengull wrote:

Am in agreement with Iggy,the most noticeable matchday management defecit is an inability to change games through subtitutions/formation changes,which I attribute to minimal managerial experience,although it makes me wonder what exactly Deehan does in the managerial food chain at H.P.Saying that makes me think in contrast of several games this season at Plainmoor,where Martin Ling has literally transformed a game by the selection and timing of a substitution or tactical change.But I get a definite sense that Fletcher is growing into his role-but clearly he has alot to learn.

I think the strict adherence to a formation is what has kept us up. It takes time to establish more than one way of playing and Fletch hasn't had the luxury of either the time or settled personnel to work on. Even Sturrock took ages to get the team comfortable playing in more than one formation.

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

Lets just chuck in another little dig about something random and then the argument is done isn't it. What the feck has Stapleton got to do with whether Fletcher gets credit for keeping Argyle up or if speaking in front of a camera is the biggest priority in a manager? What comes next? Aviva, greentinted or some other little snipe. You are quite good at that as the only real argument put forward on many occasions. Why not try answering on the subject. How many training sessions have you witnessed for example.

For once Sens I am in complete agreement with you

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I think the strict adherence to a formation is what has kept us up. It takes time to establish more than one way of playing and Fletch hasn't had the luxury of either the time or settled personnel to work on. Even Sturrock took ages to get the team comfortable playing in more than one formation.

Interesting point SFD, it was certainly Tony Pulis' modus operandi when he arrived here to take over what was a pretty disorganised on field shambles.

I don't think CF is a TP though. I do think the way he comes across in the media is important. If he did a meet the fans evening where he explained his footballing beliefs and philosophy maybe he could persuade me. At the moment "the lads done well" cliches don't do it for me.

ZYPH wrote:

Your right sensible this thread is about Fletchers managerial worth.

It's never stopped Tringreen going off on a tangent before.....his pet negatives will always rise to the surface and that's why there is so much boring comments on this site.

Just forget pasoti and live your own life Larnaca man.

But you fail to realise that Pasoti and the life of IN is his life, thats why he brings it up on every thread. Go round his house i bet he's got a dart board with Newel on it, he makes an evening of trolling through anything Newell says on pasoti, and he probably wakes up in the morning with "what can i say about pasoti and co" in my sad life.

Dont forget he can never answer a direct question.

GOB wrote:

Fletcher's remit was I assume to keep us up and that's what he's done. Not being able to attend as many games as I would have liked means that most others will be better qualified then me to provide an opinion on the tactics and standard of football, but at the end of the day Fletcher successfully completed his remit so he should surely be given at least a starting chance next season?

I agree mostly with that GOB, not sure about him for next season though, BUT he deserves credit for keeping Argyle up, if that is what he achieves.

125+1 wrote:

ZYPH wrote:

Your right sensible this thread is about Fletchers managerial worth.

It's never stopped Tringreen going off on a tangent before.....his pet negatives will always rise to the surface and that's why there is so much boring comments on this site.

Just forget pasoti and live your own life Larnaca man.

But you fail to realise that Pasoti and the life of IN is his life, thats why he brings it up on every thread. Go round his house i bet he's got a dart board with Newel on it, he makes an evening of trolling through anything Newell says on pasoti, and he probably wakes up in the morning with "what can i say about pasoti and co" in my sad life.

Dont forget he can never answer a direct question.

I do believe you are more than a lttle obsessed with my good self

I have been critcal of Fletcher since his appointment.From the start i did not think he had the epierence or contacts to do the job effectively.He has kept us up , probably , but is this all we can hope for in the future?I now hope he moves on because the football has been dire.I have been following Argyle for over fifty years and have never seen anything as bad as i witnessed this season and i hope never to see it this bad again.

Tim Chown wrote:

Since February... P14 W5 D7 L2 for 22 points. Which would be 72 points in a season, which is playoff form.

Though how the heck we won on Saturday I'll never quite know! But it makes up for Dagenham and Macclesfield where we should have won but didn't.

If we stay up, job done. That it's not pretty doesn't matter. There aren't many teams that will only have let in 6 goals in their last 13 games.

Next season, expectations will be higher, and a new test awaits...

Next season should be a walk in the park if we only have to play in the manner we have been and can achieve that. Promotion should be the only goal.

If we play in the manner that we have been we are going nowhere.We are dire , the only good area is the defence , everthing else needs a massive overhall.At a minimum we need a new management setup , three good strikers and three good central midfielders not to mention a good captain.If we play in the manner that we have been we are finished as a football club this rubbish would not even be acceptable for a pub team. FLETCHER OUT AND WALTON OUT.

Old Timer wrote:

If we play in the manner that we have been we are going nowhere.We are dire , the only good area is the defence ,

Which is quite bizarre because until Purse turned up, was our worst, by far, area of play.

Okay, Darren, you can stay, but you have to go to Nando's less and lose the beer gut.

I think the trouble with the fans who are saying Fletch is doing well are comparing him and our team to the hopeless cloggers in the teams around us. We need to be trying to emulate the Swindons and Torquays (you've got to laugh but it is true) and I know we stopped Swindon from scoring for about 75 minutes but we could play them every week and they would still beat us every week. For keeping us up Fletcher (fingers crossed), thanks but go and learn your trade else where please.

Charlie Wood wrote:

It's all opinions isn't it. Nice to have a football discussion! Even I can say Fletcher has been successful in achieving a given target but IMHO it's been despite him and not because of him. The determination and fight that the players have demonstrated being the major factor for me. I just worry that we'll see another wasted season before the powers that be decide he isn't up to it. I sincerely hope I'm wrong because I'm running out of seasons.

What utter tripe, if Fletch had taken us out of the league you'd be here blaming him, so when he keeps us in it at least have the decency to give him some credit.
Don't forget he got 7 more points than the former experienced man with the same team, he signed Wotton, Purse, Blanchard and Chadwick the primary reasons for our survival, i assume its him and his coaching staff that set the training come up with the tactics etc so credit where its due and that is at the door of Carl Fletcher.