The knives are out...

The knives are out...

http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=65520

http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=64879&start=45

It's Trust or GAS as far as I can see. If the GAS goes ahead, as it will, the Trust will slowly fade away, when it should be the natural independent and democratic voice of all supporters.

Oh the games people play, for their self promoting ambition.

Very sad, very parochial and very predictable.

Its interesting how the shiteratti are hiding behind duplicate accounts on Pasoti to attack the Trust. Are they too scared to do it face to face?

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Its interesting how the shiteratti are hiding behind duplicate accounts on Pasoti to attack the Trust. Are they too scared to do it face to face?

That particular ironic fact is wasted on them. They preach 'real people' but in reality practise underhand manipulation. The sad thing is that they see nothing wrong with it.

All getting a bit nasty. Deep Throat has form and unfortunately a goodly of 'beleivers'. Wonderful comment by Trust naysayer in chief that there was 'something in the air' on the trust issue at the weekend -something in the air I ask you.

We have The President, thats the non commenting President, commenting mostly on Trust issues. The Trust he dropped when its mandate it had served its purpose. If only the Gasboard setup ,organiser/passer of emails/publicist - The President (was he voted into Gasboard position), was up to the standard of the Trust.

Now if you haven't been involved in the two meetings thus far you can't be involved despite some of those who have been involved in meeting one not turning in for meeting two (are they now excluded because it would be too much for them to catch up) and despite the Gasboard having not evolved from a male of a certain age dominate institution (I wonder who would be poking the Trust with a stick if the same situation pertained).

We have the unedifying spectacle of demanding Trsut membership numbers and using that to say its unrepresentative whilst the Gasboard toddles merrily along full of unelected and in some cases self promoting but certainly non mandated individuals which is suddenly a closed shop.

I'm looking to see who the winners and losers might be as this situation develops. Its getting clearer by the day.

Dougie wrote:

All getting a bit nasty. Deep Throat has form and unfortunately a goodly of 'beleivers'. Wonderful comment by Trust naysayer in chief that there was 'something in the air' on the trust issue at the weekend -something in the air I ask you.

We have The President, thats the non commenting President, commenting mostly on Trust issues. The Trust he dropped when its mandate it had served its purpose. If only the Gasboard setup ,organiser/passer of emails/publicist - The President (was he voted into Gasboard position), was up to the standard of the Trust.

Now if you haven't been involved in the two meetings thus far you can't be involved despite some of those who have been involved in meeting one not turning in for meeting two (are they now excluded because it would be too much for them to catch up) and despite the Gasboard having not evolved from a male of a certain age dominate institution (I wonder who would be poking the Trust with a stick if the same situation pertained).

We have the unedifying spectacle of demanding Trsut membership numbers and using that to say its unrepresentative whilst the Gasboard toddles merrily along full of unelected and in some cases self promoting but certainly non mandated individuals which is suddenly a closed shop.

I'm looking to see who the winners and losers might be as this situation develops. Its getting clearer by the day.

Absolutely Dougie. We all know where this is heading and it stinks

Whatever happened to IJN's commitment to openness with everyone posting under their real name (I find it hard to believe that Mr and Mrs Throat christened their firstborn Deep). Because that post from Mr Throat is exactly the sort of fictional shit-stirring that would get ol' Porky all hot under the collar if it was on this site. You know the sort of thing - lying keyboard warriors, how dare they criticise, step out from behind your username, what did you do in the war etc etc.

Because of course, there's no reason why anyone wants to keep their identity secret...is there?

It's embarrassing how Brent can throw a few crumbs to the fans in the form of the gas, shaft the trust (which after all is the future of this club and football as we know it) and everybody turns a couple of meetings into a total shit fest, if everybody over there was as sceptical about anything meaningful coming out of all this then there really wouldn't be any point in it.

I would just let the wankers get on with it. As I have said previously there is only one use for a deep throat and it looks like it's Newell that's getting the tulisa treatment. The club president seems intent on sticking his oar in to undermine the trust he held dear until the lure of being Brents mouthpiece became too irresistible to ignore.

Newell wants the trust ridiculed at every opportunity, and lo and behold a new member, Windsor boy crops up, even though he's been a member for a year, and everything he posts goes along with Newells views, and of course Newell knows him personally, Justin.

A poll set up by another mod about the trust where anyone can vote whether they are members or not, but there's no agenda! Postey just thought because Newell wanted answers he would start a poll.

Grovehillhasn't commented yet, maybe because Newell called him a rancid troll on another thread, and continued taking the piss out of him calling him a milkman.

Newell is just utter slime and I think it might be time to forward Newells message to me about the big bad taxi man. Send it to Pete Britton at tower cabs just so Mr Britton can have a word with the sweaty dickhead in person.

That's Pete Britton at tower cabs. Posting on my phone is a nightmare.

It still won't let me type bres land

It does seem quite clear that Webb is attempting to undermine the Trust and with Newell standing right behind him. Why?

Because it's democratically elected? Because it's got good, strong leaders who know what they're doing and how to do it? Because, being part of an independent network, it's got access to all sorts of expertise?

Just off the top of my head, like.

Because they would like the people they want involved, rather than democratically elected people. Remember Chris was never elected himself, and from a trades union rep the whole thing stinks. I still think the trust should leave them to it. Once these people get a taste for power the backstabbing will begin and it will all crumble around them.

From what I can gather, behind the scenes most would agree with not wanting Webb involved or his mate Newll. Obviously he is Brent's choice for whatever reason and although not elected or even wanted, Webb seems determined to promote himself via PAFC while at the same time this pair of non elected disciples are slagging off those that were brave enough to stand in an election that neither had the balls to stand in.

These two idiots take up a lot of limelight when it should be the Trust and the club that should be showing the ways forward. Maybe it's time to let Brent know the real feeling regarding Webb and to tell Newell where to stick his parking space.

A fantasy thread.

Never once have or will I attack the Argyle Fans Trust. It has played and continues to pay a crucial role in the future of our Club.

When my membership is up it will certainly be renewed immediately and I will do all I can to help if needed at anytime.

Added to the fact that the Chair of the Argyle Trust is a good personal friend of mine, hopefully your concerns will be eased.

Chris

Mr President wrote:

A fantasy thread.

Never once have or will I attack the Argyle Fans Trust. It has played and continues to pay a crucial role in the future of our Club.

When my membership is up it will certainly be renewed immediately and I will do all I can to help if needed at anytime.

Added to the fact that the Chair of the Argyle Trust is a good personal friend of mine, hopefully your concerns will be eased.

Chris

Define "attack"?

You still have no mandate what-so-ever. Do you feel comfortable to hold such a position?

He has never had a mandate GOB.

When he was Trust Leader he wasn't elected. He just 'appeared' one day. Never posted on Pasoti, or anywhere else, nobody knew who this 'Chris Webb' was or where he came from.

If I was wearing my tinfoil hat, I would suggest he was a very clever plant. But I'm not, so I won't.

I asked Webb those same questions Cerbs, but all I got in response was a "I can see what you're trying to do".

I'm still waiting for his definition of "attack"!

If I was wearing my tinfoil hat, I would suggest that he was total fraud and is attempting to derail anything that may give the fans a voice but using subtle methods so as not to destroy Brents perception of the opposite! But I'm not, so I won't.

Mr President wrote:

A fantasy thread.

Never once have or will I attack the Argyle Fans Trust. It has played and continues to pay a crucial role in the future of our Club.

When my membership is up it will certainly be renewed immediately and I will do all I can to help if needed at anytime.

Added to the fact that the Chair of the Argyle Trust is a good personal friend of mine, hopefully your concerns will be eased.

Chris

What is your opinion of how the Trust is being dealt with by pasoti?

Greenman wrote:

Since the badly run election and unaccountable voting slips the Trust has stood still.
To my mind, while everyone dithered about the GAS Board the Trust should have seized the initiative and took centre stage.
They didn't, they were too quiet and will now get left behind as the focus switches to the GAS Board.

How was the election "badly run"?

The independent people who ran the election were happy with the accountability of the voting. See the relevant pasoti (and, I think, ATD) threads for explanations.

I agree that The Trust was a bit quiet during the period when the GASB was mooted. That may have been due to their elections. One wonders why the GASB was pushed so quickly so early on as an important innovation and then seemed to have wandered aimlessly in a morass of mistakes and prevarication.

The response by pasoti seems to me to be heavily slanted in favour of the GASB rather than the Trust. That may contribute to the focus amongst the internet populace.

The avowed intention to promote the GASB wider than Internetland seems to have taken a dive as has the intention to widen the involvement of other less-represented groups via non-internet publicity. One may ask if the club actually are committed to the GASB or whether it was a useful early piece of PR.

Maybe knives are out is a bit strong. Its the little digs in public that get me. Why ask the question directly, its what we are advised to do with Brent. From the way the election was run onwards its always been little things. And if anyone thinks that someone posting who is The President and ex Chair of the Trust doesn't carry more weight than Joe Soap posting the same thing needs their head examined. I think one would need to be extra extra cautious.

You would have thought the Gasboard malarky needed rather more attention anyway.

There certainly seems to be a "clique" running Pasoti at the moment. It's clear from some of the info that has appeared in replies to my posts that someone with more time than sense has taken it on themselves to do research into me (and who I work for and where I work) and spread the info they have gleaned around other like minded individuals. It's sad that when I post a comment about staff payments being delayed, it's replied to also immediately with a comment about the firm I work for laying off staff in another part of the country!

With such small minded people it's not surprising that, like children in a kindergarten, they have tantrums and fall out with each other.

I find the comments about the Trust having a declining membership quite amusing, because if you look through the Minutes of their Meetings as posted on the web, you will see that there are only about half a dozen people who go to meetings, and I'm sure they're not canvassing the full membership between meetings to find out what the masses think! A case in point being this latest campaign against Brendan Guilfoyle, do hundreds of Argyle fans really want a witch hunt? Or would they rather "move on" and try to improve the future rather than worry about what's done?

I find the whole concept of a Supervisory (GAS) board to oversee the running of the club quite amusing. If Brent is trustworthy, why waste time monitoring him? If he's not, does anyone think he's going to leave some sort of "smoking gun" around so that the average janner can foil his cunning plans?

Half the last board didn't know what the other half was doing, does anyone really think a group of fans are going to fare any better against a cute operator like JB?

knecht wrote:

I agree that The Trust was a bit quiet during the period when the GASB was mooted. That may have been due to their elections. One wonders why the GASB was pushed so quickly so early on as an important innovation and then seemed to have wandered aimlessly in a morass of mistakes and prevarication.

Correct, Knecht (oops - early Friday rhyming )

Loads of us pointed out that it was inappropriate to hold the first GASBoard discussion meeting when we didn't know for certain who the Trust leadership would be. To no avail, obviously.

Interesting that a new rumour about the Trust election (which, as you point out, was never questioned by the independent monitoring people) should appear now. Innit.

Grovehill wrote:

There certainly seems to be a "clique" running Pasoti at the moment. It's clear from some of the info that has appeared in replies to my posts that someone with more time than sense has taken it on themselves to do research into me (and who I work for and where I work) and spread the info they have gleaned around other like minded individuals. It's sad that when I post a comment about staff payments being delayed, it's replied to also immediately with a comment about the firm I work for laying off staff in another part of the country!

With such small minded people it's not surprising that, like children in a kindergarten, they have tantrums and fall out with each other.

I find the comments about the Trust having a declining membership quite amusing, because if you look through the Minutes of their Meetings as posted on the web, you will see that there are only about half a dozen people who go to meetings, and I'm sure they're not canvassing the full membership between meetings to find out what the masses think! A case in point being this latest campaign against Brendan Guilfoyle, do hundreds of Argyle fans really want a witch hunt? Or would they rather "move on" and try to improve the future rather than worry about what's done?

I find the whole concept of a Supervisory (GAS) board to oversee the running of the club quite amusing. If Brent is trustworthy, why waste time monitoring him? If he's not, does anyone think he's going to leave some sort of "smoking gun" around so that the average janner can foil his cunning plans?

Half the last board didn't know what the other half was doing, does anyone really think a group of fans are going to fare any better against a cute operator like JB?

Quite correct Grovie. It's window dressing and jobs for the boys. Never have I felt so alienated from Argyle. The lunatics are being fooled into thinking they can run the asylum, when all they are there for is to save Brent a few quid.
Look how far we've fallen.