Opening a can of worms, ( Hallett on Argyle finances)

Graiser wrote:

I’m sure he might consider it if there were buyers jostling to buy us, haven’t heard of any, have you ?

Inaccurate as usual Graiser, Bent by his very own admission after 5 years in the hot seat admitted he received enquiries on average once a month for a club that was not up for sale and not marketed as such

I wonder where we be if indeed proper marketing was done. The Qatari's alone are queuing up to own clubs

harvetheslayer wrote:

Graiser wrote:

I’m sure he might consider it if there were buyers jostling to buy us, haven’t heard of any, have you ?

Inaccurate as usual Graiser, Bent by his very own admission after 5 years in the hot seat admitted he received enquiries on average once a month for a club that was not up for sale and not marketed as such

I wonder where we be if indeed proper marketing was done. The Qatari's alone are queuing up to own

clubs

I’m wrong! That’s a bit rich coming from you of all people. I’m not fussed what happened 5 years ago, it’s the present and future that concerns me
So the Qataris are queuing up are they ? Well I’ve been called deluded but hell your Mr Deluded
You appear to be in the know Give the Sheikh a ring a remind him, you know just in case he forgot

Graiser wrote:

I’m sure he might consider it if there were buyers jostling to buy us, haven’t heard of any, have you ?

Twelve thousand fans to watch third division relegation battlers who have had no investment on the pitch where it counts? i'm sure there would be people interested, the fans deserve better than Hallet and Brent.

Innocent Egbunike wrote:

I'm actually quite encouraged by what Hallett is saying. He's being quite frank about where we are. He also sounds prepared to invest but makes the salient point that if it's just money going into a black hole then when he has to/wants to get out, he could leave Argyle in the mire again. Why would he want risk being head of Stapes and Co. Mk II?

It's a misnomer that our flirt with the Championship play-offs was fuelled by large home gates, as SFD has pointed out. The reality is we had a moment in time where Holloway inherited some decent players and managed to build on that with some good signings, at bargain prices. We were a small fish in a big pond, even back then. Our record signing is still 500K and deals at that level were enough to spiral us into administration, despite transfer income of 6-7 million (Halmosi, Norris, Gosling, Ebhey-Blake etc).

It seems clear there was some creative accounting and subterfuge under Brent but Hallett should be given the chance to see if he can drive his project forward. Historically speaking, the money he is putting into the club is not insignificant and whilst it isn't enough to propel us to compete with the likes of Villa, Leeds, Boro etc in the Championship (there are some massive clubs in that division now), it has an even chance of making us an upper tier League One side, going for the next level up....and if we're becoming a more professionally run club and it appears we're getting our act together, who's to say it won't attract more investment?

If it's all gone tits-up by the end of next season, fair enough - but the new regime deserves at least a bit of rope with which to hang itself.

Key to everything having a chance in the short-term is staying in this division and then Adams presiding over a better start to next season.

My main beef is his obsession with the corporate side whilst endorsing the fuckpotders as we've had under Brent. Our gates are only low compared to some of our historical gates when you look at our competitors they measure up very well and we are clearly lagging behind on budget with a lot of them, no doubt the mankover is swallowing this up but Hallett would have us believe he's propping up the team, he clearly isn't. He could be more honest about it because I think there is a lot of people like me to struggle to support a lie. As for the likes of Halmosi and SEB they believed the club would be going somewhere their ilk like me obviously don't.

Graiser wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Graiser wrote:

I’m sure he might consider it if there were buyers jostling to buy us, haven’t heard of any, have you ?

Inaccurate as usual Graiser, Bent by his very own admission after 5 years in the hot seat admitted he received enquiries on average once a month for a club that was not up for sale and not marketed as such

I wonder where we be if indeed proper marketing was done. The Qatari's alone are queuing up to own

clubs

I’m wrong! That’s a bit rich coming from you of all people. I’m not fussed what happened 5 years ago, it’s the present and future that concerns me
So the Qataris are queuing up are they ? Well I’ve been called deluded but hell your Mr Deluded
You appear to be in the know Give the Sheikh a ring a remind him, you know just in case he forgot

lol chap I choose the first 5 years because Brent indicated he got an enquiry a month on average. He's probably had further enquiries since doubtless. So your claim of who wants the club and you dont see people knocking on the doors was indeed completely wrong.
Now if the club was marketed I have little doubt there would be a sight more than 1 enquiry a month ongoing. Where did I say that the Qatari's were queuing up to buy Argyle....you'll end up like Rickler bitter and despondant ole boy if you dont bother to read posts before jabbing at the keyboard

harvetheslayer wrote:

Graiser wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Graiser wrote:

I’m sure he might consider it if there were buyers jostling to buy us, haven’t heard of any, have you ?

Inaccurate as usual Graiser, Bent by his very own admission after 5 years in the hot seat admitted he received enquiries on average once a month for a club that was not up for sale and not marketed as such

I wonder where we be if indeed proper marketing was done. The Qatari's alone are queuing up to own

clubs

I’m wrong! That’s a bit rich coming from you of all people. I’m not fussed what happened 5 years ago, it’s the present and future that concerns me
So the Qataris are queuing up are they ? Well I’ve been called deluded but hell your Mr Deluded
You appear to be in the know Give the Sheikh a ring a remind him, you know just in case he forgot

lol chap I choose the first 5 years because Brent indicated he got an enquiry a month on average. He's probably had further enquiries since doubtless. So your claim of who wants the club and you dont see people knocking on the doors was indeed completely wrong.
Now if the club was marketed I have little doubt there would be a sight more than 1 enquiry a month ongoing. Where did I say that the Qatari's were queuing up to buy Argyle....you'll end up like Rickler bitter and despondant ole boy if you dont bother to read posts before jabbing at the keyboard

Moi, bitter and despondant (sic)?  You clearly don't know what the words mean. You're the one on a permanent downer sprouting nasty bullshit non-stop. MInd you, being the laughing stock of the Argyle websites, it's no wonder you have a chip on your shoulder!

Now, lets think about what SH is saying

He says the club is not "financially sustainable" which means they are losing money.

So after 7 years of being run by a supposedly smart operator in the financial field, SH similarly a smart operator, has willingly taken ownership of the club.

This can only mean 2 things:

1.Either JB and now SH are total fuckwits where money is concerned

or

2. Losses in running the club over a few seasons aren't important as such minor losses will pale into insignificance when the Club/property gets sold on for millions more than SH paid for it


I'm going with option 2 which certainly explains why the owners of a loss making football club were desperate to buy the ground freehold. And why Adams is still manager-he doesn't keep asking for money.

So settle back for a few more years of (cheap) mediocrity till the owner cashes in

i meet hallett today :O spoke to him for a few minutes aswell.

Didnt have breakfast with him which im annoyed about to be honest but seemed a nice chap none the less who unlike the reluctant one he actually likes football and argyle.

Angry wrote:

i meet hallett today :O spoke to him for a few minutes aswell.

Didnt have breakfast with him which im annoyed about to be honest but seemed a nice chap none the less who unlike the reluctant one he actually likes football and argyle.

You met him ? or is that a quote from elsewhere?

Jethro wrote:

Angry wrote:

i meet hallett today :O spoke to him for a few minutes aswell.

Didnt have breakfast with him which im annoyed about to be honest but seemed a nice chap none the less who unlike the reluctant one he actually likes football and argyle.

You met him ? or is that a quote from elsewhere?

i met him he was walking around the stands before kick off and stop by me and a few others and had a chat.

I really don't understand Hallett's negativity.

The exaggerated message could be:

We're on the brink of a new era and brand new facilities, skies the limit.  The club will see funds we've never seen before and players will faint in disbelief at the contracts being offered.

So why is he selling me manure?

You're shit and your staying shit is the message I get.

Coxside_Green wrote:

I really don't understand Hallett's negativity.

The exaggerated message could be:

We're on the brink of a new era and brand new facilities, skies the limit.  The club will see funds we've never seen before and players will faint in disbelief at the contracts being offered.

So why is he selling me manure?

You're shit and your staying shit is the message I get.

Somewhere in between is the message I get.

and I don't Hallett as Negative. I see him as realistic!

Rickler wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

I really don't understand Hallett's negativity.

The exaggerated message could be:

We're on the brink of a new era and brand new facilities, skies the limit.  The club will see funds we've never seen before and players will faint in disbelief at the contracts being offered.

So why is he selling me manure?

You're shit and your staying shit is the message I get.

Somewhere in between is the message I get.

and I don't Hallett as Negative.  I see him as realistic!

We best hope a relegation doesn't put a spanner in the works.

Let's be honest, you don't attend week in week out, thousands do.  I don't want to say you've been bought but you're obviously biased.  On the pitch is now 7-8 years of crap performing below what many of us believe we should be yoyo Championship/League One, with maybe even a flurry into the Prem.  That's what we care about, football on the pitch.  There's plenty of manoeuvre for businessmen like Hallett to profit, that's why I assume he is here.  Why not big up the club and it's future instead of playing us down and putting many supporters off?  Why all focus on community and not football?  In short, all I care about is the football.  Wanna build a stand, build a team to match.  Apologies for rambling, we lost points again.

Rickler wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

I really don't understand Hallett's negativity.

The exaggerated message could be:

We're on the brink of a new era and brand new facilities, skies the limit.  The club will see funds we've never seen before and players will faint in disbelief at the contracts being offered.

So why is he selling me manure?

You're shit and your staying shit is the message I get.

Somewhere in between is the message I get.

and I don't Hallett as Negative.  I see him as realistic!

I’m prepared to give Hallett a chance, but this is no new era. More of the same Brentmare, instead of the mini stand we get a shitty man lover. You of all people, considering how long you’ve been part of this site shouldn’t be swallowing that bullshit.

I remember when Paul Sturrock mk 2 used to talk down expectation aim low achieve even less.

It’ll never change which is why generations of support are lost to the club

Coxside_Green wrote:

Rickler wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

I really don't understand Hallett's negativity.

The exaggerated message could be:

We're on the brink of a new era and brand new facilities, skies the limit.  The club will see funds we've never seen before and players will faint in disbelief at the contracts being offered.

So why is he selling me manure?

You're shit and your staying shit is the message I get.

Somewhere in between is the message I get.

and I don't Hallett as Negative.  I see him as realistic!

We best hope a relegation doesn't put a spanner in the works.

Let's be honest, you don't attend week in week out, thousands do.  I don't want to say you've been bought but you're obviously biased.  On the pitch is now 7-8 years of crap performing below what many of us believe we should be yoyo Championship/League One, with maybe even a flurry into the Prem.  That's what we care about, football on the pitch.  There's plenty of manoeuvre for businessmen like Hallett to profit, that's why I assume he is here.  Why not big up the club and it's future instead of playing us down and putting many supporters off?  Why all focus on community and not football?  In short, all I care about is the football.  Wanna build a stand, build a team to match.  Apologies for rambling, we lost points again.

I don't attend every week, but unlike the majority of attending Argyle fans - the six or seven thousand - who don't go to every game home and away, I have the benefit of seeing nearly every game in the season live on ifollow.  I admit I don't watch every match, and I also admit there is nothing like being there in person. but tbh, how many Argyle games do many of the most vocal critics on ATD see?  Many of them seem to boast about not going, and some seem to think it worthy of a badge of honour?

With all due respect..  I'm not even going to dignify the comment I've been bought, or for some reason I am biased, with an answer.

...and I think you are very wrong if you think Simon Hallett is here to make a profit. As I've said before, he could have got a better deal on his loan with a 30 year US treasury bond (and safer too).  Statiscally, Argyle are more likely to go bankrupt than for SH to make money. There are so many easier and safer ways for him to make money if that was his aim.

 I don't think there is much doubt, that if you didn't know who he was, and was chatting to him in some pub about Argyle for 20 minutes, that you would realise he is a real fan and has been since childhood. I guess in that way I 'relate' to him, in that our lives have led us away from being able to see Argyle every week, but our loyalty to the club hasn't diminished.

I think SH cares deeply about what happens on the pitch with the first team, and there is no doubt in my mind, that in his mind, that is the most important thing of all.  I think where he differs from you, is what route you take to to improve how good the first team is?  And how to get it to a situation where it can be kept at a high level.  He has his 'vision' which involves a grandstand that generates revenue, and involving the "community", improving the training facilities, developing the youth etc, among other things.  As for the way he delivers that message.  In my opinion he isn't one to sugarcoat things.  Like I said...  I think he's a realist. You obviously have your own ideas on how things should be done. What do you propose?

Sorry for rambling back at you.

...and I know we lost points.  I was watching.

Sorry Ricks. Until we properly back the manager, giving him a budget to sign the players he genuinely wants...don’t make me laugh he was tracking Callum Dyson for however long...It’s nothing to me.

They obviously trust the manager because of the length of his contract. So back him!

We’ve been shit a number of years, whilst you follow it and I know you were there at Wembley, You can’t know the hopelessness of leaving a atmosphereless dump, struggling to understand what you have done with your afternoon to be told, getting shot of Brent to be told more of the same.

Does the founding of the new home park website not concern you? Almost like it’s a separate activity from the club, that was the goal of Stapleton wasn’t it? . Separate the ground from the club ching ching.

I’m about done

Rickler wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

Rickler wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

I really don't understand Hallett's negativity.

The exaggerated message could be:

We're on the brink of a new era and brand new facilities, skies the limit.  The club will see funds we've never seen before and players will faint in disbelief at the contracts being offered.

So why is he selling me manure?

You're shit and your staying shit is the message I get.

Somewhere in between is the message I get.

and I don't Hallett as Negative.  I see him as realistic!

We best hope a relegation doesn't put a spanner in the works.

Let's be honest, you don't attend week in week out, thousands do.  I don't want to say you've been bought but you're obviously biased.  On the pitch is now 7-8 years of crap performing below what many of us believe we should be yoyo Championship/League One, with maybe even a flurry into the Prem.  That's what we care about, football on the pitch.  There's plenty of manoeuvre for businessmen like Hallett to profit, that's why I assume he is here.  Why not big up the club and it's future instead of playing us down and putting many supporters off?  Why all focus on community and not football?  In short, all I care about is the football.  Wanna build a stand, build a team to match.  Apologies for rambling, we lost points again.

I don't attend every week, but unlike the majority of attending Argyle fans - the six or seven thousand - who don't go to every game home and away, I have the benefit of seeing nearly every game in the season live on ifollow.  I admit I don't watch every match, and I also admit there is nothing like being there in person. but tbh, how many Argyle games do many of the most vocal critics on ATD see?  Many of them seem to boast about not going, and some seem to think it worthy of a badge of honour?

With all due respect..  I'm not even going to dignify the comment I've been bought, or for some reason I am biased, with an answer.

...and I think you are very wrong if you think Simon Hallett is here to make a profit. As I've said before, he could have got a better deal on his loan with a 30 year US treasury bond (and safer too).  Statiscally, Argyle are more likely to go bankrupt than for SH to make money. There are so many easier and safer ways for him to make money if that was his aim.

 I don't think there is much doubt, that if you didn't know who he was, and was chatting to him in some pub about Argyle for 20 minutes, that you would realise he is a real fan and has been since childhood. I guess in that way I 'relate' to him, in that our lives have led us away from being able to see Argyle every week, but our loyalty to the club hasn't diminished.

I think SH cares deeply about what happens on the pitch with the first team, and there is no doubt in my mind, that in his mind, that is the most important thing of all.  I think where he differs from you, is what route you take to to improve how good the first team is?  And how to get it to a situation where it can be kept at a high level.  He has his 'vision' which involves a grandstand that generates revenue, and involving the "community", improving the training facilities, developing the youth etc, among other things.  As for the way he delivers that message.  In my opinion he isn't one to sugarcoat things.  Like I said...  I think he's a realist. You obviously have your own ideas on how things should be done. What do you propose?

Sorry for rambling back at you.

...and I know we lost points.  I was watching.

10/10 for the reply, I'll give you that.

Attending matches is more than just being there, it's a lifestyle for many and a huge effort to get to as many games as possible for others.  For me personally it's an effort just to get there for half time, such is my interest, it's shit these days.  You don't have that commitment, neither does your pal.

You've made it clear you speak with Si, whether you like it or not you have that connection, I don't... that will always be a difference between us, you will naturally defend him whereas I don't have to.

You want to tell me how much he cares about the club... why was the purchase of the ground necessary?  That was his decision, not mine.  The same decision that left up to £5m PCC funding on the table.  No worries, us supporters will make that up over the next 30 years eh?  Meanwhile you'll continue watching from afar.

He's a realist?  Lol  We're supposed to believe everything we're told after 7 years of abbreviated accounts and smoke & mirrors.  He has been very much a part of Team Brent for a couple of years now.  All I'm seeing is different name above the Queen Vic's door.

Any idea how much I need to pay for the unwanted piece of HHP?  Not that it matters to people like me who just want the best for my club, it's only club funds init.

Good luck trying it on with the more knowledgeable posters.

I'm not trying it on with anyone.  tbh..  I couldn't really give a feck what some of you think.

PS. You know feck all about my commitment. Past or present.

Nice to know.

PS It's your commitment to Si that concerns me... nah it doesn't really, only when you quote me... otherwise I couldn't give a feck

Hugh Watt wrote:

Sorry Ricks. Until we properly back the manager, giving him a budget to sign the players he genuinely wants...don’t make me laugh he was tracking Callum Dyson for however long...It’s nothing to me.

They obviously trust the manager because of the length of his contract. So back him!

We’ve been shit a number of years, whilst you follow it and I know you were there at Wembley, You can’t know the hopelessness of leaving a atmosphereless dump, struggling to understand what you have done with your afternoon to be told, getting shot of Brent to be told more of the same.

Does the founding of the new home park website not concern you? Almost like it’s a separate activity from the club, that was the goal of Stapleton wasn’t  it? . Separate the ground from the club ching ching.

I’m about done

As I interpret things..  The manager isn't going to get "backed" until there are more funds available that isn't a 'cash injection'.  This 'rule' as always can be broken if Derek Adams approaches the board with a special request that merits his wishes.  I think that pretty much sums up what Simon Hallett has said about the subject?

I've been to a lot more games than Wembley. You don't think with my many years of supporting I don't know misery?

As for the founding of a new website...  There's a reason the official Argyle site is known amongst fans as "the baggo (of shit)".  Having a seperate website is a no brainer.  The baggo is a complete and utter mess.  Ever tried to find something on there?  Nah...  Make a complete break and try and get something decent together.

Seeing as it's well documented that part of Simon Hallet's plan is to plough the expected profits back into the club and the playing budget, I somehow don't think the plan is to spin off hospitality for his own profit.  That was Brent's plan.  Another big difference between Hallett and Brent.  Now, is that a fact, or am I just being biased and "commited" to Si?

If I could make a prediction, I think the hospitality stuff will remain with the club for a while, somebody has to pay for it after all, who better than us fans. Will the mortgage payments get speeded up is my concern. In the long run the club will do well not to get separated from the ground, I wouldn't bet against it happening. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the club run into a financial crisis at some point.

Coxside_Green wrote:

If I could make a prediction, I think the hospitality stuff will remain with the club for a while, somebody has to pay for it after all, who better than us fans.  Will the mortgage payments get speeded up is my concern.  In the long run the club will do well not to get separated from the ground, I wouldn't bet against it happening.  ]I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the club run into a financial crisis at some point.

That's going to puts a dent in Hallets's plan, seeing as (according to you) he's only here to make a profit and isn't too concerned about the football, don't you think?

Maybe you should write and tell him why you think the way you do.  Be proactive.  You never know...  You might be BFF's in no time at all.

I don't want to be BFF's, getting to the top table has seriously never interested me. All I want is a team on the pitch commensurate with attendances. If we can't do that because Fleetwood, Scunthorpe etc all have wealthy owners then we best up our game and seek our own wealthy owner/investor. They're obviously out there.

Coxside_Green wrote:

I don't want to be BFF's, getting to the top table has seriously never interested me.  All I want is a team on the pitch commensurate with attendances.  If we can't do that because Fleetwood, Scunthorpe etc all have wealthy owners then we best up our game and seek our own wealthy owner/investor.  They're obviously out there.

I was being sarcastic about being BFF.

Yep..  For clubs like Argyle they are obviously out there.  Just like UFO's and ghosts.

Rickler wrote:

I'm not trying it on with anyone.  tbh..  I couldn't really give a feck what some of you think.

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Yes and thats why this site has lost so many posters who are refusing to return until you're gone. Try and grasp that. People talk about Nool but frankly you're not far behind with your utterly deliberate trolling.