Capello quits

Is Warnock still available?

Failing that, I'd like to see Meryl Streep giving it a go.

Jock. We all now know how badly treated you were by Dane. But, I'm not prepared to see people's addresses posted on message boards... that really isn't on.
I've deleted that post.

It really makes no difference at all who the England manager is. The problems the international side face have nothing to do with management and everything to do with the lamentable state of coaching in this country at grassroots level. We don't develop the talent properly; we don't have anything like enough qualified coaches; we are obsessed with physical fitness and getting kids to play 11 v 11 as early as possible; we have no overall strategy for developing technique and skills of juniors and we have a governance structure that pits top-level clubs against the rest of the league and the international team. england will never be an international power again until there is a coaching and a structural revolution in the game. The EPPP doesn't count.

a39er wrote:

It really makes no difference at all who the England manager is. The problems the international side face have nothing to do with management and everything to do with the lamentable state of coaching in this country at grassroots level. We don't develop the talent properly; we don't have anything like enough qualified coaches; we are obsessed with physical fitness and getting kids to play 11 v 11 as early as possible; we have no overall strategy for developing technique and skills of juniors and we have a governance structure that pits top-level clubs against the rest of the league and the international team. england will never be an international power again until there is a coaching and a structural revolution in the game. The EPPP doesn't count.

Exactly!

Football needs a rebirth!

a39er wrote:

It really makes no difference at all who the England manager is. The problems the international side face have nothing to do with management and everything to do with the lamentable state of coaching in this country at grassroots level. We don't develop the talent properly; we don't have anything like enough qualified coaches; we are obsessed with physical fitness and getting kids to play 11 v 11 as early as possible; we have no overall strategy for developing technique and skills of juniors and we have a governance structure that pits top-level clubs against the rest of the league and the international team. england will never be an international power again until there is a coaching and a structural revolution in the game. The EPPP doesn't count.

Utter bollocks that post. To many foreign managers and players.We've great young talent in this country.
Just look at how good the under 21 have been.

I agree there's not enough room in todays game for English players to make it through, but what does that tell you about the coaching and why the English guys can't make it?

Think that is a bit harsh downthetrack. It is the man's opinion and one I suspect a lot of people share. Our senior team have flattered to deceive for years now and when it comes to the big tournaments they flop. The youngsters may do well in their age group but don't seem to develope on as they get older whereas a lot of "foreign" youngsters go on to bloom very nicely. We have done nothing since 1966 and that was at home. There should be a clue there for the FA to take a bit of notice of and perhaps have a bit of a rethink. As with most things it is hard to teach old dogs new tricks but if you take youngsters and develope them differently and for the better then eventually you get a reward. Nothing has changed in England in football terms for years.

When you have teams like Chelsea buying youg'un from Forest for 1.6 mill.He his 16 Pat Bamford.Never get a game at Chelsea for years.That will stifle his development imo

With due respect, he's an Exeter fan, WTF does he know anyway!

GOB wrote:

With due respect, he's an Exeter fan, WTF does he know anyway!

Just a conspiracy theorist me.Foreign managers tend to choose their young country men over ares.




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downthetrack wrote:

GOB wrote:

With due respect, he's an Exeter fan, WTF does he know anyway!

Just a conspiracy theorist me.Foreign managers tend to choose their young country men over ares.




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And I would agree with that as well, combine the lot and it's one hell of a mess our game is in!

Happy days, all we need now is to get the whole of the FA to quit then stop filling the team with overpaid couldn't care less Premiership wasters we may start to get somewhere.

We aren't going to win the Euros, we never were, but give me a team that really wants to give it a go under any English manager with even close to a clue, Harry would do but I'm not choosey, and I will enjoy watching far more than I would have done under Crappy.

Yup, despite being a bit shifty in the Venables style I think he could do a job for us and hopefully give us something to shout about. I can't remember that last time I watched England play with any degree of passion.

I don't think it really matters at present who is Englands manager.

The team is in a mess, with John Terry and possibly Rio Ferdinand in the squad there is only trouble on the horizon and England are none starters for the Euros.

John Terry should not be considered ever again for England,being sacked once as Captain is bad enough......but twice....come on lets get real.

Rio Ferdinand will not be happy playing in central defence with Terry who allegally has insulted his kid brother.

Rio is very near the end of his career,how much more can his body take......to be honest he and Terry are both beyond playing for England anymore certainly under the current circumstances.

downthetrack wrote:

a39er wrote:

It really makes no difference at all who the England manager is. The problems the international side face have nothing to do with management and everything to do with the lamentable state of coaching in this country at grassroots level. We don't develop the talent properly; we don't have anything like enough qualified coaches; we are obsessed with physical fitness and getting kids to play 11 v 11 as early as possible; we have no overall strategy for developing technique and skills of juniors and we have a governance structure that pits top-level clubs against the rest of the league and the international team. england will never be an international power again until there is a coaching and a structural revolution in the game. The EPPP doesn't count.

Utter bollocks that post. To many foreign managers and players.We've great young talent in this country.
Just look at how good the under 21 have been.

And how many tournaments have the U21s won?
And how many of the U21s go on to make the national side?

I'm not disputing the talent - I'm saying the coaching is shocking. And it is.

It's a fact that we have less than a third the number of fully qualified coaches than Holland or Germany or Spain.
It is overwhelmingly the case that the coaching of our kids is focused on physical fitness over technique.
It is overwhelmingly the case that coaches are obsessed with 11 v 11 as opposed to, say, futsal, which is what most of our competitors (you know, the ones that actually WIN tournaments) focus on up to U16.

Whinge about foreign players all you want - until you change the coaching, nothing will change.

'Arry is the obvious choice, but I get the feeling that Spurs won't release him.If we need someone to come in and temporarily hold the position for the Euros, I'd go for Venables. I know he has managed for a while but he gets the best out of the players,and plays decent football.

I'd also consider Guus Hiddink- another good motivator of players.

Is there anyone else worth considering? Most other English candidates have only managed in England and I think experience abroad helps. Bobby Robson and Venables both managed abroad before managing England and both did a good job (McLaren has managed abroad but that was after England and he's poor anyway so we'll forget him). Capello,like him or loathe him, apparently has the best win% as England Manager (heard this on breakfast TV- not sure if that's all games or competitive ones).

Like Frank,I'm increasingly dis-interested in England (especially given the terrible performances of Wayno and co at the last WC). Overpaid prima donas.

If it's a caretaker manager then look no further than Roy Hodgson. Bags of experience in the European game, experience of managing international football, but above all a track record of getting mediocre players to overachieve.

Also on a side note I've always found the lack of passion line a little baffling, England performed abysmally at the last world cup because of an inability to string 3 passes together, lack of coherence and confidence, no amount of chest thumping and belting out the national anthem can make up for that.

Forgot about Roy Hodgson and his international and european experience.

Looks like Gazza is backing venables if Redknapp isn't appointed. SSN suggesting Pearce/Southgate dreamteam for the caretaker role

It's not just the coaching that holds the under-21s back.

The English education system fails to educate youngtsers........it is the none academic youngsters that go on to try and find a career in football.....because there aint much else they can do.

So as they mature into adults they have a lack of mental ability to cope with the senior game.

Even those that do who have success on the field end up acting like spoiled kids at times.....getting red cards and problems in their private lives........too much money and unresponsible in how they cope with the situation.

BUT........the most telling sign of lack of mental maturity is in the lack of concentration and mental strength that comes from a good educational foundation in their lives,and that shows up in there lack of ability in that tough moment of a game .....in the final minutes........AND IN THE PENALTY SHOOTOUT........they crumble.

Radio 5 live's chief football correspondent, suggested Redknapp groom Alan Shearer for the future, seriously Alan Shearer, on the strength of what? Getting relegated with Newcastle and being on MOTD. It's sometimes amazes me that people get paid to give their "expert" analysis.

a39er wrote:

It really makes no difference at all who the England manager is. The problems the international side face have nothing to do with management and everything to do with the lamentable state of coaching in this country at grassroots level. We don't develop the talent properly; we don't have anything like enough qualified coaches; we are obsessed with physical fitness and getting kids to play 11 v 11 as early as possible; we have no overall strategy for developing technique and skills of juniors and we have a governance structure that pits top-level clubs against the rest of the league and the international team. england will never be an international power again until there is a coaching and a structural revolution in the game. The EPPP doesn't count.

Spot on 39er, I've been saying the same for years. countries such as Spain have many times more advanced qualified coaches, the kids play small sided games up to about 13 I believe and in better quality youth leagues the best technical players are picked, not the 13 year old who is like a 16 year old physically so is great while he is a manboy in a child's team but will be overtaken when they are all mature. Also, I believe youngsters in Spain all have turns playing in all different positions on the field so they appreciate the game and understand it from every angle. Unfortunately youth leagues here seem to be all about win at all costs with the bigger lads generally picked, defenders screamed at to get stuck in and welly it up the field by parents on the sidelines rather than the development of their skill and technique.

Chemical Ali wrote:

'Arry is the obvious choice, but I get the feeling that Spurs won't release him.

Capello,like him or loathe him, apparently has the best win% as England Manager (heard this on breakfast TV- not sure if that's all games or competitive ones).

Crappy's win stats give credence to the "lies, damn lies and statistics" thing, how many of those wins were against pub teams ? Back in the day you had to play Yugoslavia now it's perm any one from Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia Herzegovina, don't get me started on Russki satellites.

'Arry is the obvious to anyone with a clue but when since have the likes of Bernstein been accused of that. Me, I could deal with just about any English manager with any kind of pedigree but no boring feckers please.

1. Harry
2. Hoddle, he is doing three fourths of five eights of feck all and did well in '98, was unlucky to get the push for dissing the gimps, I'm sure he didn't mean it.
3. Hodgson, nah, too boring.
4. Pearcey, nah, probably worth having around for the enthusiasm but clueless.
5. Peter Taylor, best ever record with the U21s and gave Becks the armband.
6. Big Sam, heaven forbid.
7. Pardew, doing a job.
8. Curbs, possibly more boring than Big Sam.
9. Terry Butcher ?
10. Chris Hughton, yeah I know he played for Ireland but he is Lahndan thru and thru.
11. Platty, too ugly.
12. Holloway, too grating in the interviews but his teams play the right way, apologies for any painful memories.
13. Kevy Keegle, just threw him in for fun.
14. Steve Bruce, looks too much like your gran.
15. Shearer ?
16. Ray Wilkins ?

Pretty poor fare innit ?

Open it up to foreigners and I might fancy Paul Lambert but I suspect that if 'arry turns it down and there are a thousand reasons he might I suspect we could be looking at another big name foreigner on mega bucks, I 4-1 think that course is just plain wrong. Assuming any youngish manager currently ensconced with a Prem team would turn it down and that the FA would never give anyone from a lower level a chance, I think my choice would extend to Nos. 1&2 in the list.

I see the limited talent pool giving two options, the Harry style, attractive to watch but ultimately not winning anything or (wait for it, Greenskin said it first) the non English Tony Pulis whose remarkable talent steadies then improves all the teams he touches until they do eventually win something. I guess nobody would have the stamina to watch the dross that would be served up for the first couple of years until the penny drops with the players how to play as a team.

I hang my head in shame in how I criticised him when he was down here.

a39er wrote:

downthetrack wrote:

a39er wrote:

It really makes no difference at all who the England manager is. The problems the international side face have nothing to do with management and everything to do with the lamentable state of coaching in this country at grassroots level. We don't develop the talent properly; we don't have anything like enough qualified coaches; we are obsessed with physical fitness and getting kids to play 11 v 11 as early as possible; we have no overall strategy for developing technique and skills of juniors and we have a governance structure that pits top-level clubs against the rest of the league and the international team. england will never be an international power again until there is a coaching and a structural revolution in the game. The EPPP doesn't count.

Utter bollocks that post. To many foreign managers and players.We've great young talent in this country.
Just look at how good the under 21 have been.

And how many tournaments have the U21s won?
And how many of the U21s go on to make the national side?

I'm not disputing the talent - I'm saying the coaching is shocking. And it is.

It's a fact that we have less than a third the number of fully qualified coaches than Holland or Germany or Spain.
It is overwhelmingly the case that the coaching of our kids is focused on physical fitness over technique.
It is overwhelmingly the case that coaches are obsessed with 11 v 11 as opposed to, say, futsal, which is what most of our competitors (you know, the ones that actually WIN tournaments) focus on up to U16.

Whinge about foreign players all you want - until you change the coaching, nothing will change.

2007 Finals - England reach Semi Finals
2009 Finals - England reach Final
2011 Finals - England fail to even get through group stage.

You would have thought that with the talent at Pearce's disposal, the natural pattern/progression would have been to win the 2011 tournament - or at least lose to the Spanish in the Final, but as always an England team choked under pressure. And it is why Stuart Pearce should never be considered for the full England job; he is just a tubthumper, and not much more.
That said, we do have some very talented young players coming through, so with a little more realism, we should be able to looking forward to quarters and maybe semis at tournaments.

You and a lot of Stokies also Charlie Wood.

The amount of times you hear the words "football is a results driven business" trotted out in football circles and then when somebody actually gets results but is criticised because of the manner of the gain is amazing. Why Stoke fans should be complaining about him is totally beyond me. Hardly the most successful club for donkey's years and now enjoying matches they could only have dreamed of a couple of years ago. I'd love to change places and be that bored.