James Brent selling off Land

Earwegoagain wrote:

I'm wondering if Brent needs to sell off the second carpark for five or six mills to build the ice rink. I think we may see the refiurb and a stand alone ice rink without the clusterfuck. He just has to build the ice rink and I am sure the £2.2m he's had from the Marriott Hotel group for the first car park sale would not cover it. If the clusterfuck isn't happening this has to be his plan B.

whats to say the money isn't just entering his sky rocket and his short arms cant reach the bottom of them deep pockets

Jethro wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

I'm wondering if Brent needs to sell off the second carpark for five or six mills to build the ice rink. I think we may see the refiurb and a stand alone ice rink without the clusterfuck. He just has to build the ice rink and I am sure the £2.2m he's had from the Marriott Hotel group for the first car park sale would not cover it. If the clusterfuck isn't happening this has to be his plan B.

whats to say the money isn't just entering his sky rocket and his short arms cant reach the bottom of them deep pockets

Because everything hinges on the ice rink it was what got him the Pavillions gig, without "ice" he'll be in breach of contract I'd imagine. Get the ice rink built and all the rest is gravy.

Earwegoagain wrote:

Jethro wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

I'm wondering if Brent needs to sell off the second carpark for five or six mills to build the ice rink. I think we may see the refiurb and a stand alone ice rink without the clusterfuck. He just has to build the ice rink and I am sure the £2.2m he's had from the Marriott Hotel group for the first car park sale would not cover it. If the clusterfuck isn't happening this has to be his plan B.

whats to say the money isn't just entering his sky rocket and his short arms cant reach the bottom of them deep pockets

Because everything hinges on the ice rink it was what got him the Pavillions gig, without "ice" he'll be in breach of contract I'd imagine. Get the ice rink built and all the rest is gravy.

Agreed it was gravy but the pavilions gig appears to be over. Clearly more than the car park (already sold off) is now for sale....??
If he is selling to potential buyers on the open market (and you can never be sure with that snake) then its over completely as regards his development ??

Am I missing something here ?? He's bailing out after land squatting for 6 years and taking his profit from where I'm sat ??

My take is he is selling the car park and the land where the ice rink/pool sit - as two lots, this pays for new ice rink and refurb of pavillions arena, covers any losses over six years and means that for a pound he got a refurbished concert arena and a brand new ice rink - for their 38 million pounds the people of Plymouth got nothing.....

That's how I see it as well. Have there been losses since the swimming pool part was closed? How fortunate that PCC had someone like Tony Hopwood on board to work out such a cunning plan.

He has already sold the carpark at the Pavillions for 2.2m and the other lot is up for 5-6m which I guess is the ice/swimming pool site. The Pavillions stays and gets a refurb.

Quite a furore in the Evin Arold about it all in the comments section............

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Quite a furore in the Evin Arold about it all in the comments section............

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So from that article I take it that Tony Hopwood was the Brent Spokesman yesterday, as alluded to on the BBC report?

An interesting and quite detailed post just posted onto that thread...............

Less than a minute ago from 'saintharry'

"Another question that needs answering is- Brent was given an area of Central Park for a £1....He then used the land as collateral for an £800,000 thousand tax payer funded loan.  The Lease for the Mall was given away by Tudor to P&O developments losing the tax payer the freehold and £600,000 thousand a year in revenue from car park.   It really is time all these delegated decisions made by cabinets of both colours was investigated by the Police.  Having been on the inside i do question why others have never asked the questions appertaining to the DRC, and Interest free loans given to a PLC namely the NMA.  To finish the Airport and SHH and why the projected build cost for the pavilions was £7.5 million but ended up costing £25 million.  The district Auditor called it creative accounting?"

Nothing new in the world of capitalism. It is all about the quick buck (apologies for the Americanism) and bollocks to the future. The same thing happened when Citybus was sold. A division that was creating a profit for the city but subsequently sold to a private company which now makes even more profit while the council still subsidises many routes.
All of the so called institutions and establishments have become one, as shown when sheeple vote for a party instead of the candidate. Its why we end up with either Labour or Tory (bandit) despite both having shite records and helping to ruin the city. Its also why the public and private sectors are being moulded into one, subsequently milking the tax payers.
As for Brent, I imagine him riding off into the sunset once he's decided Plymouth has been most generous to the Brent family cause.
Personally I think it would be better for ALL Plymouthians if he just foxtrot oscar now.

Just wondering what the attitude will be now from P.C.C towards the non developing property developer now Tudor has swept back to power with his local Politburo.

Question asked already to which I replied...

That's an interesting question and I have no idea what the ousted Bluekip-led council policy was so I don't know whether Brent has lost a supporter or not. He hasn't gained one though. Far from it.

Before Argyle bought back the freehold of the stadium PCC, under Labour control at the time, was in negotiation with the club about what to do about the grandstand and PCC was all in favour of pulling it down and building a new one.

Clearly there's all sorts of issues involved here about who should have paid for it. PCC as landlord had a clear obligation to contribute but politically it was a rather different matter ("how can they spend money on Argyle when they are closing X, Y and Z?" or "so that's why our council tax always goes up" etc - erroneous arguments as it happens but simplistic and seemingly relevant and very easy to communicate).

Anyway in short PCC was prepared to match the club's funding to a maximum of £5m giving a £10m budget in total. Brent, such as is his want, wanted more and more from the deal while putting in less and less. At the last minute with the deal about to be done Brent pushed it too far got told to do one in no uncertain terms and everything collapsed amidst much swearing and acrimony.

From that day on the Plymouth Labour Party has been no friend to Mr Brent and since it is all entirely a privately-owned concern there is no likelihood at all that a Labour-led PCC will lift a finger to help anything he might propose unless they really have to.

Politics is what it is though. Just as a once cosy relationship collapsed into animosity I suppose it could go back the other way. I can't see it myself but never say never.

Tbh Tudor evens didn’t do himself any favours with Brent in the first place lapping him up wernt did he know what was going down or was he duped by Brent
Wernt they both on some kind south west regeneration committee together or somethink like that that’s how Brent got the in with em/council
In the first place

Correct. They were both (along with others including Viv Pengelley) involved with the Plymouth City Development Company.

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FFS!

erroneous arguments as it happens but simplistic and seemingly relevant and very easy to communicate).


Just feck right off mate.

There will always be better funding priorities than investing in minority sporting interests.

and Evans, Pengelley - both green tinted Argyle fans

there are far more deserving funding cases in Plymouth than a privately owned Plymouth Argyle

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Correct. They were both (along with others including Viv Pengelley) involved with the Plymouth City Development Company.

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Yeah I remember that, I suspect although no fan of Tudor, that he will wisely distance himself and his administration from anything Brent, particularly with 2020 looming and the recent disclosure of Brent selling off the Pavillions car park.