£2.7 billion a year NHS bill for dealing with pissheads

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/4023289/nhs-judged-best-healthcare-system-in-the-world-despite-coming-second-bottom-at-keeping-people-alive/

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/chart/total-health-expenditure-of-oecd-countries-as-a-share-of-gdp-2014

https://visual.ons.gov.uk/how-does-uk-healthcare-spending-compare-internationally/

LOl. Talk about lies, damn lies and statistics...

The UK not even on the list here:

http://nordic.businessinsider.com/the-16-countries-with-the-worlds-best-healthcare-systems-2017-1/


#18 here:

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

#30 here:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-05-countries-healthcare.html

Earwegoagain wrote:

The sooner some of you caring individuals get ill the better is all I can say. The year before last I lost my sister to cancer, during her illness she was of course very well looked after if you could just ignore the 3 times she had a life saving operation cancelled because there wasn't a bed for her, oh well she was dying anyway so what does that matter?
I also managed to fall over and break my leg, it was my own fault because I was outside, I should have just stayed in I suppose? After the customary 2 hour wait for the Ambulance lying in a field I then commenced my journey into the hospital, remember this was a major trauma and not a bleeding nose or alcohol related THANK GOD! For the first half hour the paramedics managed to keep me on a trolley between the two sets of entrance doors and over the next four hours I crept along the corridoor towards the actual beds in there. I spent seven hours on gas and air before I even got the pain relief I needed. When I finally got treatment I said to the doctor ' guess I picked a bad day to have an accident? Not at all he said its normally mental in here at this time of day.'
Since then I've had the op to remove the metal from my leg cancelled three times.
The other thig you notice when you have to constantly visit hospitals regularly is the price of parking which said profits are rising year on year to hundreds of millions, people on the minimum wage have to pay these exorbitant charges as well as look after families and care for sick children relatives. Tax should be put up to pay for it simple as.
Anyone that still doubts taxes need raising to pay for he health service come and see me and I'll break your legs for you, leave you in a field followed by a longtrolley wait, when you've had a bit of time to reflect you'll be begging for a tax increase.
As a final note before I log out it never ceases to amaze me how selfish, uncaring and just plain nasty most people are, cnuts the lot of you I wish you all long and painful illnesses.

I hope that which you wish for others doesn't happen to you.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Find your own list.

Great debate.

I did say "mostly but not exclusively Tories". Did you miss that bit?

Lord Melbury wrote:

A very recent personal experience of a close family member who's new medication was delivered to Plymouth by taxi from Bristol to be followed later the same day by a specialist nurse to train the family member in administering the new medication from... Bristol. You couldn't make this shit up.
 

You want to quote a few examples of how efficient private medicine is when they hire private jets and gawd knows what else for one person. Hardly efficient use of communal historical wealth. Hey, maybe someone with a bank balance is worth going out of your way to save them. I've seen many a tv news article praising how hundreds of people have got together to save one soul. Are you saying it's a bad practice ?
In the end, it's an insurance policy, some draw down on it and some don't to a greater or lesser extent. It's called community, it's called civilisation.

PatDunne wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

The sooner some of you caring individuals get ill the better is all I can say. The year before last I lost my sister to cancer, during her illness she was of course very well looked after if you could just ignore the 3 times she had a life saving operation cancelled because there wasn't a bed for her, oh well she was dying anyway so what does that matter?
I also managed to fall over and break my leg, it was my own fault because I was outside, I should have just stayed in I suppose? After the customary 2 hour wait for the Ambulance lying in a field I then commenced my journey into the hospital, remember this was a major trauma and not a bleeding nose or alcohol related THANK GOD! For the first half hour the paramedics managed to keep me on a trolley between the two sets of entrance doors and over the next four hours I crept along the corridoor towards the actual beds in there. I spent seven hours on gas and air before I even got the pain relief I needed. When I finally got treatment I said to the doctor ' guess I picked a bad day to have an accident? Not at all he said its normally mental in here at this time of day.'
Since then I've had the op to remove the metal from my leg cancelled three times.
The other thig you notice when you have to constantly visit hospitals regularly is the price of parking which said profits are rising year on year to hundreds of millions, people on the minimum wage have to pay these exorbitant charges as well as look after families and care for sick children relatives. Tax should be put up to pay for it simple as.
Anyone that still doubts taxes need raising to pay for he health service come and see me and I'll break your legs for you, leave you in a field followed by a longtrolley wait, when you've had a bit of time to reflect you'll be begging for a tax increase.
As a final note before I log out it never ceases to amaze me how selfish, uncaring and just plain nasty most people are, cnuts the lot of you I wish you all long and painful illnesses.

I hope that which you wish for others doesn't happen to you.

It did Pat I can assure you I am speaking from personal experience, the pain I wish is for the people that are advocating cutting our creaking health service as I said earlier walk for a day in someone else's shoes before you judge them.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I did say "mostly but not exclusively Tories". Did you miss that bit?

Not at all. Your copy & paste listed 64 Tories & 7 Lib Dems. Not a single Labour MP or peer.
If you will insist on shoe-horning your political diatribe into every thread at least make it plausible ffs.

My C&P was complete.

If there is comparable interest on the Labour benches then you find them.

Put up or shut up.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

My C&P was complete.

Ok mate, if you say so  

I think I'll heed the advice of Mark Twain at this point.

Labour Lords

1. Baroness Billingham: Made regular contributions to Cumberlege Eden & Partners a training company for training NHS personnel and is a political networking firm that works "extensively" with the pharmaceutical industry.

2. Lord Carter: The head of the increasingly influential Competition and Cooperation Panel, is a7n adviser to Warburg Pincus International Ltd, a private equity firm with significant investments in the healthcare industry. Chairman Patrick Carter, or Lord Carter of Coles to give him his full title, was the founder of Westminster Health Care, a leading private nursing home company. He is also the Chair of McKesson Information Solutions Ltd, which delivers IT to “virtually every NHS organisation”, the chair of Primary Group Ltd, a Bermudan based private equity company, and a substantial shareholder in, among other companies, B-Plan Information Systems Ltd, which has also benefited from the increased need for large scale IT systems that the introduction of an internal market to the NHS has brought with it (see the interview with Frank Wood, of King’s foundation trust, where B-Plan has worked, in the last news update). Carter’s register of interests in the House of Lords also lists him as an adviser to Warburg Pincus International Ltd, a private equity firm, which has significant investments in the healthcare industry. It even rescued United Healthcare from financial ruin in 1987 and helped it to become one of the largest healthcare companies in the world. He can now help it to become one of the biggest beneficiaries of the government’s reforms. - http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=3934

3. Viscount Chandos: Former director of investment management company Sand Eire limited - who invest amongst other sectors, in Healthcare.

4. Lord Darzi: Labour - Former surgeon drafted into government as a health minister by Gordon Brown when he was PM. Now an adviser to medical technology firm GE Healthcare.

Quotes on bill: he would find it 'difficult at this stage' to vote for blocking the Bill...'I am speaking as a surgeon, not a politician.'

5. Lord Davies of Abersoch: A non-executive Director of Diageo. Lansley used to hold a directorship at Profero who had Diageo as one of their clients. Diageo plc are an alcohol drinks company, who have been awarded money to teach midwives in England and Wales on the dangers of alcohol. Vice Chairman and partner in Corsair Capital llc, who have amongst others Axis Capital holdings in their portfolio, providers of healthcare insurance products. Shares in Chime Communications – company run by Lord Bell, that has multiple health-related companies in it group.

6. Lord Eatwell: Economic Adviser at Warburg Pincus & Co International Ltd, a private equity firm with significant investments in the healthcare industry. Economic advisor to Palamon Capital Partners LLP, who also heavily invest in private healthcare.

7. Lord Elder: Advisor to pharmaceutical company Daval International Ltd

8. Lord Evans of Watford: Labour – Former director of ­healthcare property firm Care Capital. Chairman of Advanced Oncotherapy Plc.




9. Lord Filkin: Labour – Recent adviser to outsourcing giant Serco, heavily involved in NHS services, took over out of hours services.

10. Baroness Ford: Chairman of private healthcare company, Barchester Healthcare Ltd. Part of the NHS Partners Network, who were instrumental in lobbying on behalf of private healthcare prior to the bill, during the Health bill. Chairman of Grove Ltd, a holding company for for Barchester Health.

11. Lord Gavron: Has shares in Serco, Smith & Nephew plc, Diageo, Unilever, Astrazeneca, GlaxoSmithKline, Rhoen-Klinikum AG (private healthcare), Roche Holdings AG, Fresenius Medical Care AG, Sanofi-Aventis, Vodafone Group plc, Prudential Life.

12. Lord Goldsmith: Co-Managing Partner in International law firm Debevoise & Plimpton LLP, whose clients include: Bayer; Bristol Myers Squibb; Forest Laboratories; Galderma; GlaxoSmithKline; Hisamitsu; Johnson & Johnson; Merck; Nestlé; Novartis; L’Oréal; Pfizer; Schering-Plough; and Tenet Healthcare, among others.'

13. Lord Grocott: Trainer at Cumberlege Eden & Partners: (See Baroness Cumberlege).

14. Lord Harris of Haringey: Former Senior adviser to business services giant KPMG, who are heavily involved in implementing changes in the NHS and its commissioning groups Wyeth Pharmaceuticals 2001. Previously remunerated by Cumberlege Connections Ltd for occasional participation in training events. See Baroness Cumberlege. One client Airwave through his own company Toby harris Associates provides services to Ambulance and health.

15. Lord Hollick: Has shares in multiple companies involved in healthcare, which include: Alliance Boots, Diageo, Ambea, HCA, Capsugel.

16. Lord Hunt of Kings Heath: Consultant and Trainer at Cumberlege Connections Ltd: See Baroness Cumberlege.

17. Lord Hutton of Furness: Ex-health minister is an adviser to law firm Eversheds. Clients include care homes and private hospitals. Special adviser to PricewaterhouseCoopers – heavily involved in healthcare reforms and development of the new Clinical Commissioning Groups.

18. Baroness Jay: Occasional participation in seminars for Cumberlege Connections. Company that is a training company NHS personnel and a political networking firm that works "extensively" with the pharmaceutical industry.

19. Baroness Kingsmill: Former Non exec director of Korn/Ferry International, an executive recruitment firm. Among the diverse range of healthcare organisations they have secured and developed top healthcare executives for are in hospital systems, multi-specialty physician practices, pharmacy benefit management companies, long-term care/assisted-living companies, home health companies, healthcare associations, and other service delivery companies. Two other peers work for them. Also a deputy Chairman of PricewaterhouseCoopers, which claims to have “been at the heart of shaping ­[healthcare] reforms and working with clients to respond to the opportunities they present”.

20. Lord Leitch: Chairman. Non Exec director of Bupa -

Quote: ‘When we debate healthcare in the UK, all too often the focus is on the NHS alone. Yet the independent sector is more important than ever, providing services directly to patients, residents, insurers, and to the NHS itself. Going forward, all of us must think in terms of partnership, not rivalry.’ Health bill in 2008.

21. Baroness Liddell: Associate member of Bupa.

22. Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale: Member of the advisory board to accountants and auditors PricewaterhouseCoopers. See Baroness Kingsmill. Non-executive Director, DCM (Optical Holdings) Ltd (dispensing opticians).

23. Baroness McDonagh: Former Non Executive Director of Standard Life plc, which offers private health insurance.

24. Baroness Mallalieu: Has shares in pharmaceutical giant Reckitt Benckiser.




25. Lord Malloch-Brown: Former recent chairman of FTI Global Affairs an advisory firm, which helps companies in the healthcare sector amongst others. On his appointment in 2010 he said: "Lord Malloch-Brown said, "The global economy has reached a tipping point, with Western companies under great pressure to shift their footprint towards emerging markets."

26. Lord Mandelson: Chairman at Lazard International Ltd, an international advisory investment bank, which includes the area of healthcare.

27. Lord Moonie: Advisor for Edinburgh-based healthcare and biosecurity company Americum. Former senior advisor to pharmaceutical company Pharmathene Ltd. Lord Moonie, previously accused in cash for influence scandal.

28. Baroness Morgan of Huyton: Ex-director of failed care home firm Southern Cross. Member of the advisory Committee board for Virgin Group Holdings Ltd. Virgin own over 100 NHS services. See article on them here.

29. Lord Myners: Non-Executive Director of RIT Capital partners plc, who according to their annual report invest extensively in healthcare. Also has at least £63,000 worth of shares in the company.

30. Lord Noon: Director of Nutrahealth plc is a holding company which is 100% owned subsidiary of Elder Pharmaceuticals Ltd, an Indian based healthcare company since November 2010. The businesses operated in the UK are Biocare, Brunel Health and Totally Nourish. Shares in Casualty Plus Ltd - private walk-in clinic.

31. Lord Puttnam: Recent former director of Huntsworth communications group, a global public relations and integrated healthcare communications group. Did not stand for the board this year (2012). Deputy chair of Profero (See Andrew Lansley). Senior Non-executive director of Promethean World plc a technological hardware company, which according to its annual reports a new division was created, which amongst other sectors included healthcare.

32. Lord Sainsbury of Turville: Has shares in multiple companies involved in private healthcare including: Becton Dickinson, Hospira Inc, Vodafone plc (See Baroness James), JP Morgan (See Lord Renwick), Quest Diagnostics Inc, Johnson & Johnson. Currently on a leave of absence.

33. Lord Sawyer: Chair of Norlife, part of a government led initiative called LIFT, set up as partnership project in the county of Norfolk creating PFI projects.

34. Lord Simpson: (Currently on a leave of absence) Shares in multiple healthcare companies including Reckitt Benckiser, Standard Chartered Bank plc, GlaxoSmithKline, Vodafone plc.

35. Lord Sugar: Amscreen Plc is part of Lord Sugar’s Amshold Group of companies, which he owns. The company provides T.V screens into places where there is a captive audience and places targeted marketing alongside the other content the organisation may use. These screens are placed in GP surgeries, hospitals and dentists throughout the UK and in Europe.




Amscreen and BMI Healthcare have a contract together to sponsor live weather feeds to advise patients on their ‘healthcare choice’. This sponsorship deal will reach 3 million patients across the Amscreen network. Nigel Moon, Head of Marketing at BMI Healthcare has said “This advertising and sponsorship package provides us with a great opportunity to feature BMI Healthcare, our local hospitals and services to a highly targeted audience at a key time in the patient journey.” BMI Healthcare joins other leading brands such as Unilever, GSK and Pfizer who are able to reach captive audiences in GP surgeries across the healthcare network.




Now Lord Sugar’s son who runs Amscreen has teamed up with a face recognition company called Quividi. This technology will be able to ‘determine the gender, age, date, time and volume of the viewers.’ This according to Lord Sugar’s son said “brands deserve to know not just an estimation of how many eyeballs are viewing their adverts, but who they are, too.” Maybe the public deserves to know who is monitoring them, and what is happening to this data. Maybe the public deserves to be able to go to the GP surgery and not be a target for advertisers.




Viglen Ltd – shares – company provides I.T. services to the NHS. supplying over 45 central and local government councils, including a number of NHS and local education authorities, just under 70,000 computers over the next two years. See article on Lord Sugar here.




Donated £333,650.84 to Labour party


36. Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean: International consultant for legal firm DLA Piper a global law firm providing lobbying services to “clients in the health and social care sectors”. DLA Piper counts Southern Cross amongst its clients and advised on the failed £12 billion NHS I.T. project.

37. Lord Warner: Labour - Former adviser to Apax Partners, one of the leading global investors in the healthcare sector. Current director of Sage Advice Ltd. Works as an adviser to Xansa, a technology firm, and Byotrol, an antimicrobial company, which both sell services or products to the NHS” and was “paid by DLA Piper, which advised ministers on the £12 billion IT project for the NHS” projects that he was responsible for when he was a government minister. Lord Warner explains his role here. Used to be an advisor to PA Consulting in 2009. PA Consulting have worked with the new Clinical Commissioning Groups. Other NHS involvement includes, training, helping commissioners in North-East London, performance management. Adviser to Synlab – a German pathology company.

1. Luciana Berger: MP for Liverpool, Wavertree - Office received £4,726.76 from Deloitte MCS Ltd in her capacity as Shadow Minister for Public Health. Accountancy and business management giant, Deloitte, are heavily involved in healthcare markets globally and with the NHS. One example of many that involve Deloitte’s involvement in the NHS, is the £350,000 contract from Oxfordshire CCG to tackle a £11.1 million deficit at the CCG.

Formerly worked for Management Consultancy company Accenture, a company who walked away from an NHS IT contract and were fined £65m for compensation. Accenture has multiple healthcare clients in the private industry, globally. Ms Berger then went on to work as government and parliamentary manager at the NHS Confederation.


2. David Blunkett: MP for Sheffield, Brightside and Hillsborough - Received fee of £4,250 from Civica 28th January, 2013. More than 70 NHS Commissioners use Civica Health & Social Care's industry standard SLAM NHS Commissioning software to help manage service level agreements with providers, including Payment by Results, local tariffs, local agreements, block payments and other variants.Received a fee of his apparent going rate of £4,250 for a speech at Runwood Care homes in December 2012. Recently acquired eight care homes from Warwickshire County Council.

3. Rosie Cooper: MP for West Lancashire - Paid by Cumerlege Connections for £300 for work with a focus group of health professionals. Company run by Tory Lord Baroness Cumberlege who broke the rules with this company in 2009, by failing to declare it in her registered interests, ran the business from her Westminster office. The company offers courses in power, politics and persuasion to leading staff in the NHS. Five Labour Lords, and several MPs have been paid for providing for her courses. The company has worked with the development of the new Clinical Commissioning Groups.

4. Simon Danczuk - MP for Rochdale - Fees from Cumberlege Connections Ltd, (See Rosie Cooper). Received fee of £300 for speaking at Fringe meeting of NHS Alliance Conference. Hours: 1.5 hrs (Registered 8 August 2012) March 2012 , received fee of £300 for speaking at Westminster Experience training workshop. Hours: 3 hrs. (Registered 8 August 2012) June 2012, received fee of £300 for speaking at Westminster Experience training workshop. Hours: 3 hrs. (Registered 8 August 2012) 11 September 2012, received fee of £300 for speaking at Westminster Experience training workshop. Hours: 1.5 hrs. Non-Executive Director, providing business advice for Shine-Bid Services Ltd – Company provides support for bids which include the areas of healthcare procurement and PFI.

5. Alistair Darling: MP for Edinburgh South-West: 7 April 2011, He received a fee of £10,200 for addressing a dinner organised by Cinven, London. Hours: approx 6 hrs. On its website it states: ‘Cinven has been involved in European healthcare over a 20-year period and invests in market-leading, cash-generative companies.’

Cinven is a leading buyout firm, who bought 25 private hospitals from Bupa. Other UK investments include. Spire Healthcare, who run private healthcare hospitals, and whose clinical director Jean-Jacques de Gorter said the use of private sector would spiral as a result of Andrew Lansley’s reform proposals. General healthcare group, which runs healthcare services, and whose group includes: BMI healthcare. The other company is Générale de Santé who are France’s leading healthcare provider.

Patricia Hewitt (see below) was an advisor to Cinven.

6. Frank Dobson: MP for Holborn and St Pancras: Received payment from Cumberlege Connections: (See Rosie Cooper).

7. Frank Field – MP for Birkenhead: Is a non-executive director of Medicash Health Benefits Ltd a private health insurance company – he was appointed Chairman of the board on 20th of June 2011. Frank Field has worked with Medicash for 8 years having first been appointed as a non-executive director in 2003. The register of interests says his role is to ‘attend meetings offer advice.’ For this work he receives a monthly payment of £1,030, which according to the Medicash website will be given directly to local charities. What’s the problem with this? Private health insurance companies are set to profit from a privatised NHS.


8. Barry Gardiner: MP for Brent North. Received a donation of approximately £3,000 for accommodation and hospitality for himself and is wife and family to attend a Sigma pharmaceutical conference. He was supposedly there to give a speech on waste. See also Jamie Reed insert.

Sigma have donated nearly £8,000 to the Labour party Electoral commission


9. David Lammy: MP for Tottenham: Received several payments from Cumberlege Connenctions for participating in 'Westminster Experience' conference: (See Rosie Cooper). January 2011, received fee of £229.70 for participating in the King’s Fund ‘High Potential Executive’ Programme. King’s Fund is a charity that ‘shapes NHS policy and practice, provides NHS leadership development and information, and hosts health care events.’


10. Jamie Reed: MP for Copeland. Shadow Health Minister since 2011. Received a donation for accommodation and hospitality for himself, his wife and family to attend a Sigma pharmaceutical conference. At the conference he said, “Against this backdrop in an era of austerity from which there is no real line on the horizon, pharmacy can potentially do more…All political parties should be examining the role and potential benefits of increased participation from pharmacists in the provision of a more effective, changing healthcare system." He also suggested that pharmacies could fill the void that closure of libraries, post offices and other community buildings has left and become the hub of the community.




In his speech he confirms that there will be no more reorganisation from the top, which is not a total repeal of the Act, but a removal of the market elements as yet still not defined in policy.




Sigma has given just under £8,000 in donations to Labour. Electoral Commission




11. Emma Reynolds: Labour MP for Wolverhampton North East. Office received £5,000 from St Philips Care Ltd. They changed their name recently from Guardian Care Homes, not long after a warning from the Care Quality Commission, who said they were not protecting the safety and welfare of the people using their service. The company is suing Barclays over the Libor scandal in a test case, on which they allege Barclays mis-sold them interest-rate swaps. They are owned by Bilbrook Limited, who are in turn owned by Bilbrook Trust.

12. Owen Smith: MP for Pontypridd. A former UK lobbyist for the American pharmaceutical giant Pfizer, where he was head of government affairs from 2005-2007. Director of Corporate Affairs and Health Economics for the UK’s biggest biotechnology company Amgen Ltd from 2008–09.

13. Gisela Suart: MP for Birmingham, Egbaston - Speaking at seminars for Cumberlege Connections. (See Rosie Cooper). Her Cumberlege Connections work includes: Payment of £350 for taking part in workshop. Hours: 2 hrs. Payment of £900 for taking part in workshop in Winchester. Payment of £1,900 for NHS leadership programme. Hours: 2 days. (Registered 6 April 2012). Payment of £300 for parliamentary programme workshop. Hours: 2 hrs. (Registered 6 April 2012.

14. Shaun Woodward: Shares in J Sainsbury PLC. Sainsbury run pharmacies and provide food for the NHS

So, does anyone want to talk about Jim Brent's credentials and why on earth he has a big role in Devon healthcare ? I'd like to know the expertise he brings. He surely isn't a dietitian, that much is obvious. Can't be financial either, with his record at Citi.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

My C&P was complete.

If there is comparable interest on the Labour benches then you find them.

Put up or shut up.

Well, Pat Dunne's easily knocked that one out of the park...

Go fetch.

Earwegoagain wrote:

The other thig you notice when you have to constantly visit hospitals regularly is the price of parking which said profits are rising year on year to hundreds of millions, people on the minimum wage have to pay these exorbitant charges as well as look after families and care for sick children relatives. Tax should be put up to pay for it simple as.

Parking! I've visited Treliske 4 times in 36 hours this week (each visit about 2.5 hours) and have spent about £30 parking the car . I know you can get weekly tickets etc but if you're visiting A&E or certain other wards you really don't know how many days the person will be there for.

NHS Parking Petition

Les Miserable wrote:

What have you done harve.

Spectacular Les Mis spectacular......

Now if I can move on to my REAL pet hate on public costs its Search and rescue Helicopters rescuing Bellends climbing mountains dressed in trainers and coastguards rescuing nutjobs in boats having gone out in force 8's
Bill the buggers and if they cant pay take their houses and last resort take their wages

Angry wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Staggering amount of bunce in anyones book
NHS going to introduce "drunktanks" to try to reduce the bill

Surely this is one "ailment" where the individual should be billed for the cost of treatment.

Absolutely. You'll see how quick the self inflicted alcohol related cases drop then.

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Nailed it in one

harvetheslayer wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

What have you done harve.

Spectacular Les Mis spectacular......

Now if I can move on to my REAL pet hate on public costs its Search and rescue Helicopters rescuing Bellends climbing mountains dressed in trainers and coastguards rescuing nutjobs in boats having gone out in force 8's
Bill the buggers and if they cant pay take their houses and last resort take their wages  

Hey Harve. How about stopping bailing out bellends like you who just gamble on stock markets and the like to skim a small living in your case and huge wealth in the case of many others ? Just what actual good do you lot do ? I thought gamblers were supposed to lose, as well as win. You know, go down with your ship and all that. You all need to be saved from your gambling addiction, that impacts on others too.
Put 'em all inside, sequestrate their ill gotten assets. Zero hours contract care work should be their rehabilitation, with no remission. An IV drip social conscience for their actions. Make health care great again.

beesrus wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

What have you done harve.

Spectacular Les Mis spectacular......

Now if I can move on to my REAL pet hate on public costs its Search and rescue Helicopters rescuing Bellends climbing mountains dressed in trainers and coastguards rescuing nutjobs in boats having gone out in force 8's
Bill the buggers and if they cant pay take their houses and last resort take their wages  

Hey Harve. How about stopping bailing out bellends like you who just gamble on stock markets and the like to skim a small living in your case and huge wealth in the case of many others ? I thought gamblers were supposed to lose, as well as win.
Put 'em all inside, sequestrate their ill gotten assets. Zero hours contract care work should be their rehabilitation, with no remission. An IV drip social conscience for their actions. Make health care great again.

Small living Bees.....??  Somewhat off the mark with that one !  Compared to the Nick Leesons of the world totally agree but 95% of traders are wiped out year in year out...... as regards getting it wrong and losing the art is knowing when to crystallize a paper loss and make it real otherwise you actually do end up like Leeson !!
I put one tip on this forum took off in spectacular fashion sold out as it started to drop and have been buying back in ever since.

Quite happy to list every trade I open. I would agree however especially the smaller stocks especially on the AIM market are as close to a casino as can be imagined with the massive ramping and deramping of shares on public forums

I only judge the NHS via personal experience and what the missus tells me (works in theatre at Derriford).

My simplistic conclusion is thus: They (the underpaid staff) huff and puff and do their best, but their efforts can only be likened to trying to get the flat bit of a car tyre at the top - without a jack, gloves or a wrench!

Harve, I don't need to know the ins and outs of your addictions. Most of it should be banned and people educated in the advantages of a real market place, rather than a technological skimming portal.

Talking of the myth of air sea rescue charging out to sea at every opportunity, much of the coastguard thing these days is run by old geeks and volunteers. Get yerself out to Rame Head and have a cuppa with the old boys. And now today in that bastion of truth, the daily mail, the volunteering thing is apparently catching on, with the immigration border force thing wanting volunteers to man their stations. Dad's army vigilantes wanting to do their bit
A real holiday season thread, this one. All over the place.

beesrus wrote:

Harve, I don't need to know the ins and outs of your addictions. Most of it should be banned and people educated in the advantages of a real market place, rather than a technological skimming portal.

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Most of it should be banned
Out of interest its really only been the last 10 years where the "technological" age has kicked in for individuals who are not employed in dealing rooms at Barclays ETX or wherever

Rickler wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

My C&P was complete.

If there is comparable interest on the Labour benches then you find them.

Put up or shut up.

Well, Pat Dunne's easily knocked that one out of the park...

Go fetch.

Hardly.

The list of MP’s is wildly inaccurate. Danczuk, Darling, Blunkett, Dobson, Reed. Two things they’ve got in common-1) Implacably right-wing. 2) Not current MP’s. I’m not sure if you realise it, but the Labour Party Of today is a different beast to the pro-business, neoliberal Blairite personality cult of a few years back.