Players in vs Players out

Adams has apparently said that there is no more money available for permanent signings. Since the end of season we have lost:

Alessandra (refused to re-sign)
O'Connor (refused to re-sign - has he actually gone yet?)
Banton
Blizzard
Norburn
Morgan
LeCointe
Allen
Richards
Wotton (retired)

We have brought in:
Sawyer
Simpson
Jervis
Carey
Wilde
Hall (apprentice)
Rooney (apprentice)

That's 10 players on permanent contracts who have gone, who are being replaced by only 7. You could argue that Wotton is still costing us a wage as coach, but it still suggests that the playing budget is actually smaller than last year (especially since 2 of the 7 new players are apprentices). Is Adams being sold short on budget compared to Sheridan, or are his signing on higher wages (presumably O'Connor, Alessandra and Banton were on relatively high wages though...)?

Four loan players also left at the end of last season (Ansah, Dennis, Jones and Reid) - will we be bringing in 4 to replace them, or will the incoming loans also be less in number?

O'connor has gone yes he isnt our player he was on trial at burton last i heard.

we need a slightly bigger squad than last year given the emergency loan system is being tighten and we need another couple of central midfielders aswell as cover for right back and wing

Flat_Track_Bully wrote:

Adams has apparently said that there is no more money available for permanent signings. Since the end of season we have lost:

Alessandra (refused to re-sign)
O'Connor (refused to re-sign - has he actually gone yet?)
Banton
Blizzard
Norburn
Morgan
LeCointe
Allen
Richards
Wotton (retired)

We have brought in:
Sawyer
Simpson
Jervis
Carey
Wilde
Hall (apprentice)
Rooney (apprentice)

That's 10 players on permanent contracts who have gone, who are being replaced by only 7. You could argue that Wotton is still costing us a wage as coach, but it still suggests that the playing budget is actually smaller than last year (especially since 2 of the 7 new players are apprentices). Is Adams being sold short on budget compared to Sheridan, or are his signing on higher wages (presumably O'Connor, Alessandra and Banton were on relatively high wages though...)?

Four loan players also left at the end of last season (Ansah, Dennis, Jones and Reid) - will we be bringing in 4 to replace them, or will the incoming loans also be less in number?

A good post Bully which goes some way in highlighting just what an absolute shoestring the whole club is being run on, the reluctant bidder shows little sign of his supposed love for the club imo.

Similar story at Newport where their playing budget has been slashed from £1.4m to £850k-

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Angry wrote:

O'connor has gone yes he isnt our player he was on trial at burton last i heard.

we need a slightly bigger squad than last year given the emergency loan system is being tighten and we need another couple of central midfielders aswell as cover for right back and wing

Still not sign, Burton has 8 defenders and 6 midfielders on their books, they also have some good youngsters on their books.

But Look how far we've come...

Being a true Blue boy, maybe Brenty has a few zero hours contracts in mind. Players get the call first thing in the morning. No call, no pay, no training/place in the team. Another first in football. There is profit to be thought of you miserable lot. Football doesn't exist just for the fun of it.

Tgwu wrote:

Angry wrote:

O'connor has gone yes he isnt our player he was on trial at burton last i heard.

we need a slightly bigger squad than last year given the emergency loan system is being tighten and we need another couple of central midfielders aswell as cover for right back and wing

Still not sign,   Burton has 8 defenders and  6 midfielders on their books, they also have some good youngsters  on their books.

Hasselbaink has so far signed Charles, Calum Butcher, Callum Reilly, Tom Naylor, Timmy Thiele and Mark Duffy as he strengthens for life in League One.

He is still expected to add a striker to his squad

Yeah but Burton get massive 1000+ plus a few hundred away fans. Their income clearly leaves our reluctant owner in a cloud, even with all the buckets, trust funds etc. We simply can't compete.

Clydefrog wrote:

But Look how far we've come...

i pinched myself everytime

Some of you won't be happy until the club is overspending and back in administration it seems.

ejh wrote:

Some of you won't be happy until the club is overspending and back in administration it seems.

I wont be happy for as long as the supporters are paying down the owner's debts. If he wants to own a football club then let him pay for it, until then he'll continue getting grief from certain quarters.

ejh wrote:

Some of you won't be happy until the club is overspending and back in administration it seems.

Some of us fans would like to see Adams able to build a reasonably sized squad that can compete and maybe take us out of this crappy league - our 5th season I may add - not a thread bare scraped together side made up with disinterested loan signings! If we want to move on and upwards, the team needs investment or a manger that can make a silk purse from a cows ear. Good luck Mr Adams.

ejh wrote:

Some of you won't be happy until the club is overspending and back in administration it seems.

what utter garbage from you.

We have a squad of 20 on 1 year deals at the moment and that is as cheap as its getting, even if del bhey brings in another much needed 4 players who again will be free as we kow brent int going to pay fees for contracted players and they sign 1 year deals or del bhey brings in 4 loan players on deals for 6 moth to a season or mixes the two up he still isnt going break the incredibly low budget Brent has put in place. Plus he needs to have a bigger squad than 20 given the emergency loan system is pretty much gone and he has alot of injury prone players in that squad to even attempt to try and copy wycombe with the smallest squad in the league.

Plus millionaire Brent can afford to invest he chooses not too we all have to.

ejh wrote:

Some of you won't be happy until the club is overspending and back in administration it seems.

There would be another option. If Mr Brent and the present board are unable to finance Argyle to the extent that promotion from this division is a probability rather than a middle of the pack possibility relying on managers being able to eke the absolute maximum from rejects,loans and freebies, then they could actively be either looking for new investment, capital, call it what you will, to supplement the current regime or looking to sell to someone who can. It isn't just a question of the first team either-can it be said that any aspect of the long term infrastructure issues such as the ground itself, the training facilities etc have been improved under the present set up? Frankly Argyle give the impression of being a going nowhere club in all aspects-some would be satisfied with that status bearing in mind the nightmare scenario in situ when Mr Brent took over but that's getting to be a long time ago now and makes you wonder how long the goodwill can continue to last.

I don't think that there's no more scope to sign players on permanent contracts, we're still chasing O'Connor after all so there's money still aside for him. I remember Bristol Rovers complaining that the 55% wage bill FFP cap meant they couldn't sign any loanees to cover a mountain of injuries and were looking for special dispensation from the league to extend their budget - they were refused and they got relegated.

SwimWithTheTide wrote:

I don't think that there's no more scope to sign players on permanent contracts, we're still chasing O'Connor after all so there's money still aside for him. I remember Bristol Rovers complaining that the 55% wage bill FFP cap meant they couldn't sign any loanees to cover a mountain of injuries and were looking for special dispensation from the league to extend their budget - they were refused and they got relegated.

We arent chasing O'Connor at all.

I thought someone had said DA said we were still hopeful at a recent fan event? He's still yet to sign for Burton also.

SwimWithTheTide wrote:

I thought someone had said DA said we were still hopeful at a recent fan event? He's still yet to sign for Burton also.

Someone is bullshitting you. He turned down the new contract offered by the club for a shock 1 year deal and left the club when his previous one expired at the end of June as he wants to play nearer his home up north and play in a higher league.

I guess if no other club wants him he will try and see if his contract offer is still on the table but i believe that wont happen.

Was location ever an issue with Anto? His "home" is Ireland... He wanted to be a free agent so he could soak in the bids from League One clubs, I'm amazed that he hasn't attracted more attention to be honest as he's one of the most promising versatile defensive players in the football league. DA reportedly said its "still a possibility" he could sign for us.

SwimWithTheTide wrote:

Was location ever an issue with Anto? His "home" is Ireland... He wanted to be a free agent so he could soak in the bids from League One clubs, I'm amazed that he hasn't attracted more attention to be honest as he's one of the most promising versatile defensive players in the football league. DA reportedly said its "still a possibility" he could sign for us.

He was based near blackburn for a number of years and its where his girlfriend lives too.

Again if all his other avenues to seek a club for next season dry up he'll be back. Personally if his isnt that committed to argyle we should do a Bhasera and wait for ever and a day for him to get in touch.

Guessing you meant to write shouldn't there? If so, I do agree. We still need, at the very least, a right sided midfielder and another central midfielder in order to have a competitive squad. O'Connor's versatility - as a midfielder, right back and centre back - makes him the almost perfect signing for us. But we'd still need a right mid. 

Also, I think its a shame we let Allen go. From what I saw of him he was a pretty decent midfielder, good in a tackle and plays it simple on the ball. Adequate enough, and cheap, cover.

O conner signs for Burton


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Hahaha, well there we go then. Seeing as the money was there for him, hopefully we now look into signing at least one more permanent.

Angry wrote:

ejh wrote:

Some of you won't be happy until the club is overspending and back in administration it seems.

what utter garbage from you.

We have a squad of 20 on 1 year deals at the moment and that is as cheap as its getting, even if del bhey brings in another much needed 4 players who again will be free as we kow brent int going to pay fees for contracted players and they sign 1 year deals or del bhey brings in 4 loan players on deals for 6 moth to a season or mixes the two up he still isnt going break the incredibly low budget Brent has put in place. Plus he needs to have a bigger squad than 20 given the emergency loan system is pretty much gone and he has alot of injury prone players in that squad to even attempt to try and copy wycombe with the smallest squad in the league.

Plus millionaire Brent can afford to invest he chooses not too we all have to.

It's smart more than it is 'cheap'.

Giving expensive 2 year deals to Marvin Morgan and Jason Banton, when for the majority of their contracts they didn't even produce form worthy of first team selection IS NOT SMART.

Giving Smalley a 2 year deal and Brunt an 18 month deal, when the manager possibly wants neither for the next 12 months, IS NOT SMART.

Handing out two year contracts isn't Brent 'showing ambition' or 'splashing the cash'. It just totally ties the club's hands every summer when we can't manoeuvre in the transfer market with dead wood in the squad we can't get rid of.

So thanks for calling my post utter garbage, but coming from you and the ignorant crap you post daily (on both football and your obsession with Pieface) that is probably a compliment!