James Brent says a majority of the balloon payment has been accounted for..

The freak in the green flashers mac, looks a real nobby no mates!

Les Miserable wrote:

Yes it is oddball/greensleeves  'lurking'  behind James, with Evil Dr Porkchop in the vanguard and TW watching Brenty's back(financially) The Queen of England's security team has got nothing on that bunch, I wonder if they accompanied him to the toilet at half time to hold his orb and sceptre  

It's like a scene from Blackadder. Don't drink the wine !

World class 70's fringe too.

Nool is a Ringer For "Fat Bastard" in Austen Powers Gold Member.

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feel free to get off at anytime brent! you've taken too many for a ride as it is

If he's so proud of the progress why doesn't he share the accounts with the fans to show how far we've really come? Unless he's bigging the club up to sell it in which case I don't doubt a word the man says.

The reluctant one........."If you are sustainable in the Championship, then one season you hopefully get lucky and you go up to the next level without having a sheikh or a Russian oligarch to help you."

It doesn't take a sheikh or Russian oligarch for clubs with little or no top flight history to have a chance but it does take sufficient wealth in the boardroom to inspire and hold onto your best staff and players, attract the wider potential fanbase and have a go.Tried to tell the farm that fact ten years ago. Got banned.

Tringreen wrote:

The reluctant one........."If you are sustainable in the Championship, then one season you hopefully get lucky and you go up to the next level without having a sheikh or a Russian oligarch to help you."

It doesn't take a sheikh or Russian oligarch for clubs with little or no top flight history to have a chance but it does take sufficient wealth in the boardroom to inspire and hold onto your best staff and players, attract the wider potential fanbase and have a go.Tried to tell the farm that fact ten years ago. Got banned.

Burnley-the club so lucky they did it twice.

Greenskin wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

The reluctant one........."If you are sustainable in the Championship, then one season you hopefully get lucky and you go up to the next level without having a sheikh or a Russian oligarch to help you."

It doesn't take a sheikh or Russian oligarch for clubs with little or no top flight history to have a chance but it does take sufficient wealth in the boardroom to inspire and hold onto your best staff and players, attract the wider potential fanbase and have a go.Tried to tell the farm that fact ten years ago. Got banned.

Burnley-the club so lucky they did it twice.

A lucky board

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Greenskin wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

The reluctant one........."If you are sustainable in the Championship, then one season you hopefully get lucky and you go up to the next level without having a sheikh or a Russian oligarch to help you."

It doesn't take a sheikh or Russian oligarch for clubs with little or no top flight history to have a chance but it does take sufficient wealth in the boardroom to inspire and hold onto your best staff and players, attract the wider potential fanbase and have a go.Tried to tell the farm that fact ten years ago. Got banned.

Burnley-the club so lucky they did it twice.

They definitely did get lucky the first time because they had gone so far in hock hoping to get promoted that they were going to be stuffed if they weren't; after that parachute payments came into play and luck was much less of a factor. Burnley have lucked up bigtime with the new TV deal and should be no worse than a yo-yo PL/CCC club for the foreseeable future. Without actually banning promotion/relegation the PL has nicely ringfenced itself and it'll take rather more than a bit of luck for us to ever go up now.

On top of which I don't think there is any such thing as a "sustainable CCC club" any more - if there ever was to start with. The nature of the FL is that clubs can go up and down and sure as eggs is eggs they will. The problem facing all of the "sustainable" CCC clubs is finding enough budget to compete with the parachute-bloated clubs without committing beyond the short term to payments completely unsustainable in a lower league should they get relegated.

For a club like us it is always likely that once we show a glimmer of getting on that our star performers will be poached just like they were last time after which all the old saws "lack of ambition" and "always sell our best players" etc will be trotted out by the knowing wiseacres once again. It's a nightmare, to be sure, for Chairman and fans alike. What a club like Argyle (or indeed the aforementioned Burnley) needs is a paradigm shift and they are rather tricky to arrange.

How dare Mr Roberts ask for clarification of Argyle's total debt, the chauffeur just won't hear of it. You really couldn't make it up!


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I well remember the farm dwellers in general, extolling the virtues of the Stapleton regime. 'Year on year progress', 'The organic model' and 'We're an established Championship club', whilst  berating Cardiff for spending beyond their means and the PFA were paying players' salaries.

If you look at the individuals on Burnley's board, you can see why they can hang in there and succeed, while Argyle sold out and failed miserably, without even trying.
Madjeski elevated Reading with his money spent wisely on infrastructure and they could compete in the transfer/salary market, on a much lower level than the really big clubs but just well enough to keep moving forward.

Wealth in the boardroom is essential. Argyle remains the largest city club [after Hull's elevation] never to have realised its potential.I remain convinced that a few years in the PL, even yo yoing, with at least a 30k stadium,would result in a cemented fanbase akin to the likes of Norwich and Southampton, even in the lower leagues.

Argyle would never be sustainable at Championship level with the proposed poxy, little finished stadium with no room for expansion, as suggested by the reluctant one and his jamboys. He just wants personal profit and they just want to 'be someone' at a lower league club.

Les Miserable wrote:

How dare Mr Roberts ask for clarification of Argyle's total debt, the chauffeur just won't hear of it. You really couldn't make it up!


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Honesty Openness and Transparency = Pasoti

No trace of self promotion or self interest whatsoever.

There was nothing at all wrong with the organic model and year-on-year improvement. It was abandoning the organic model that led to debt that led to year-on-year decline.

I also do not recall very many people campaigning for a Madejski-styled makeover. It was mostly all "football not freehold", "we're a football club not a property enterprise" and "if there's any money it should be invested in the core business", wasn't it?

Still it is nice to see Tring come around to my preferred long-held and frequently proffered strategy of investing in the stadium to lead to more turnover which in turn can see a bigger playing budget. I've been banging on about that for years and years because it is a much better proposition than simply demanding that some unidentified figure steps forward and bungs us tens of millions of pounds to buy players we wouldn't be able to afford to pay or keep for long once we'd bought them because all that would lead to is eventual disaster and another administration*.





*Self-evidently predicated on the idea that somebody simply bunging us £50m or so and expecting nothing in return is never going to happen but if such a person exists and it ever happens everything changes, obviously.

Les Miserable wrote:

How dare Mr Roberts ask for clarification of Argyle's total debt, the chauffeur just won't hear of it. You really couldn't make it up!


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Comical Nooly at his very best there, someone asks a question he doesn't like he then turns it into an attack on other people that ask questions and uses Tring (the obssesive one lol) as an example of what the Paul Roberts clique is like? Anyway the bottom line is that we don't need openess and transparency because Nool trusts his mate Jim. Wasn't it Nool that coined the phrase "never again we will we take our eyes off the owners of Argyle?"
And lest we forget he did actually fight in the war.

Here's the thing. I don't get, given our sleepwalk into administration last time, how anyone with the remotest interest in Plymouth Argyle Football Club doesn't want to know the exact debt position and the terms on which that debt is based. It should not be enough for anyone - green tint or brown tint, Brent lover or otherwise - to accept that because James Brent says the finances are hunky dory that that they are in fact hunky dory. Anyone who went through the 'war' and especially anyone who actively took part in it are a denier if they just roll with what the Chairman is saying (and having Wrathall casting his eyes over the financials fills me with dread)

it would appear that LG has had a comment moved ..wow!! surprise,surprise

Serves him right for encouraging Greenarmy1984. Anyway that's not important, the important thing here is that the co/owner of pasoti is a personal friend of the chairman (chauffeur lol) and he says that no one needs worry about the state of the clubs finances because if his mate says its all ok then that's good enough for everybody except the freaks.
Can anybody find any threads where IJN was saying that we should never take our eyes off the owners of the club, if I was a suspicious type I would say they have been "cleaned" maybe I am just crap at searches?

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

The reluctant one........."If you are sustainable in the Championship, then one season you hopefully get lucky and you go up to the next level without having a sheikh or a Russian oligarch to help you."

It doesn't take a sheikh or Russian oligarch for clubs with little or no top flight history to have a chance but it does take sufficient wealth in the boardroom to inspire and hold onto your best staff and players, attract the wider potential fanbase and have a go.Tried to tell the farm that fact ten years ago. Got banned.

Burnley-the club so lucky they did it twice.

They definitely did get lucky the first time because they had gone so far in hock hoping to get promoted that they were going to be stuffed if they weren't; after that parachute payments came into play and luck was much less of a factor. Burnley have lucked up bigtime with the new TV deal and should be no worse than a yo-yo PL/CCC club for the foreseeable future. Without actually banning promotion/relegation the PL has nicely ringfenced itself and it'll take rather more than a bit of luck for us to ever go up now.

On top of which I don't think there is any such thing as a "sustainable CCC club" any more - if there ever was to start with. The nature of the FL is that clubs can go up and down and sure as eggs is eggs they will. The problem facing all of the "sustainable" CCC clubs is finding enough budget to compete with the parachute-bloated clubs without committing beyond the short term to payments completely unsustainable in a lower league should they get relegated.

For a club like us it is always likely that once we show a glimmer of getting on that our star performers will be poached just like they were last time after which all the old saws "lack of ambition" and "always sell our best players" etc will be trotted out by the knowing wiseacres once again. It's a nightmare, to be sure, for Chairman and fans alike. What a club like Argyle (or indeed the aforementioned Burnley) needs is a paradigm shift and they are rather tricky to arrange.

Funny how the teams who took a bit of a punt when we were in the CCC [and who were roundly condemned by people such as yourself and all the other Stapes defenders] seem to be ,with one or two possible exceptions, far better off in terms of league position, infrastructure and fanbase than we are, there must have been a lot of very lucky directors around at the time. Since i've been following Argyle, none of our directors have been lucky, hard old world innit.Plenty of clubs have overcome the parachute payments scenario and if you look at the CCC table and the clubs who are and have been successful over a period of 5 years, it seems to be either clubs who have been in the division for years or newcomers who make most impact, Derby, Middlesbrough, Bournemouth and Brentford being prime examples this season. Most of the clubs who have had the payments are either struggling [Fulham, Wigan, Bolton] or have already gone through the trapdoor so maybe the future for a club like Argyle isn't as hopeless as you seem to make out.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

They definitely did get lucky the first time because they had gone so far in hock hoping to get promoted that they were going to be stuffed if they weren't; after that parachute payments came into play and luck was much less of a factor. Burnley have lucked up bigtime with the new TV deal and should be no worse than a yo-yo PL/CCC club for the foreseeable future. Without actually banning promotion/relegation the PL has nicely ringfenced itself and it'll take rather more than a bit of luck for us to ever go up now.

On top of which I don't think there is any such thing as a "sustainable CCC club" any more - if there ever was to start with. The nature of the FL is that clubs can go up and down and sure as eggs is eggs they will. The problem facing all of the "sustainable" CCC clubs is finding enough budget to compete with the parachute-bloated clubs without committing beyond the short term to payments completely unsustainable in a lower league should they get relegated.

For a club like us it is always likely that once we show a glimmer of getting on that our star performers will be poached just like they were last time after which all the old saws "lack of ambition" and "always sell our best players" etc will be trotted out by the knowing wiseacres once again. It's a nightmare, to be sure, for Chairman and fans alike. What a club like Argyle (or indeed the aforementioned Burnley) needs is a paradigm shift and they are rather tricky to arrange.

Excellent post. Parachute payments and significant investment at boardroom level is the only way to compete in the Championship now... it's become a mini PL in more ways than one.

Greenskin wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

The reluctant one........."If you are sustainable in the Championship, then one season you hopefully get lucky and you go up to the next level without having a sheikh or a Russian oligarch to help you."

It doesn't take a sheikh or Russian oligarch for clubs with little or no top flight history to have a chance but it does take sufficient wealth in the boardroom to inspire and hold onto your best staff and players, attract the wider potential fanbase and have a go.Tried to tell the farm that fact ten years ago. Got banned.

Burnley-the club so lucky they did it twice.

They definitely did get lucky the first time because they had gone so far in hock hoping to get promoted that they were going to be stuffed if they weren't; after that parachute payments came into play and luck was much less of a factor. Burnley have lucked up bigtime with the new TV deal and should be no worse than a yo-yo PL/CCC club for the foreseeable future. Without actually banning promotion/relegation the PL has nicely ringfenced itself and it'll take rather more than a bit of luck for us to ever go up now.

On top of which I don't think there is any such thing as a "sustainable CCC club" any more - if there ever was to start with. The nature of the FL is that clubs can go up and down and sure as eggs is eggs they will. The problem facing all of the "sustainable" CCC clubs is finding enough budget to compete with the parachute-bloated clubs without committing beyond the short term to payments completely unsustainable in a lower league should they get relegated.

For a club like us it is always likely that once we show a glimmer of getting on that our star performers will be poached just like they were last time after which all the old saws "lack of ambition" and "always sell our best players" etc will be trotted out by the knowing wiseacres once again. It's a nightmare, to be sure, for Chairman and fans alike. What a club like Argyle (or indeed the aforementioned Burnley) needs is a paradigm shift and they are rather tricky to arrange.

Funny how the teams who took a bit of a punt when we were in the CCC [and who were roundly condemned by people such as yourself and all the other Stapes defenders] seem to be ,with one or two possible exceptions, far better off in terms of league position, infrastructure and fanbase than we are, there must have been a lot of very lucky directors around at the time. Since i've been following Argyle, none of our directors have been lucky, hard old world innit.Plenty of clubs have overcome the parachute payments scenario and if you look at the CCC table and the clubs who are and have been successful over a period of 5 years, it seems to be either clubs who have been in the division for years or newcomers who make most impact, Derby, Middlesbrough, Bournemouth and Brentford being prime examples this season. Most of the clubs who have had the payments are either struggling [Fulham, Wigan, Bolton] or have already gone through the trapdoor so maybe the future for a club like Argyle isn't as hopeless as you seem to make out.

Like who?

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

The reluctant one........."If you are sustainable in the Championship, then one season you hopefully get lucky and you go up to the next level without having a sheikh or a Russian oligarch to help you."

It doesn't take a sheikh or Russian oligarch for clubs with little or no top flight history to have a chance but it does take sufficient wealth in the boardroom to inspire and hold onto your best staff and players, attract the wider potential fanbase and have a go.Tried to tell the farm that fact ten years ago. Got banned.

Burnley-the club so lucky they did it twice.

They definitely did get lucky the first time because they had gone so far in hock hoping to get promoted that they were going to be stuffed if they weren't; after that parachute payments came into play and luck was much less of a factor. Burnley have lucked up bigtime with the new TV deal and should be no worse than a yo-yo PL/CCC club for the foreseeable future. Without actually banning promotion/relegation the PL has nicely ringfenced itself and it'll take rather more than a bit of luck for us to ever go up now.

On top of which I don't think there is any such thing as a "sustainable CCC club" any more - if there ever was to start with. The nature of the FL is that clubs can go up and down and sure as eggs is eggs they will. The problem facing all of the "sustainable" CCC clubs is finding enough budget to compete with the parachute-bloated clubs without committing beyond the short term to payments completely unsustainable in a lower league should they get relegated.

For a club like us it is always likely that once we show a glimmer of getting on that our star performers will be poached just like they were last time after which all the old saws "lack of ambition" and "always sell our best players" etc will be trotted out by the knowing wiseacres once again. It's a nightmare, to be sure, for Chairman and fans alike. What a club like Argyle (or indeed the aforementioned Burnley) needs is a paradigm shift and they are rather tricky to arrange.

Funny how the teams who took a bit of a punt when we were in the CCC [and who were roundly condemned by people such as yourself and all the other Stapes defenders] seem to be ,with one or two possible exceptions, far better off in terms of league position, infrastructure and fanbase than we are, there must have been a lot of very lucky directors around at the time. Since i've been following Argyle, none of our directors have been lucky, hard old world innit.Plenty of clubs have overcome the parachute payments scenario and if you look at the CCC table and the clubs who are and have been successful over a period of 5 years, it seems to be either clubs who have been in the division for years or newcomers who make most impact, Derby, Middlesbrough, Bournemouth and Brentford being prime examples this season. Most of the clubs who have had the payments are either struggling [Fulham, Wigan, Bolton] or have already gone through the trapdoor so maybe the future for a club like Argyle isn't as hopeless as you seem to make out.

Like who?

Cardiff,Burnley,Palace and Stoke.That do for starters?

Cardiff are a good case in point, I was amazed that they made it to the prem before their debts were called in but it all depends where the debt was held and was the debt being serviced? When you look at Argyle with hindsight then sure we should have gone shit or bust and gone down for thirty mill and fook ebpverybody that is owed money (personally I have a bit of a problem with that) or the glory of the prem. however it all came down to servicing the debt and I'm guessing that it got called in before we had a chance to go for it.

Anyway I'm tempted to split this in a farm controller kind of a way as this has feck all to do with the important debt stuff and has the arse kicked out of it more times than I can remember, what does everybody else think?

Split the fooker!

seadog wrote:

Split the fooker!

Nah, fook the splitters.

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