UKIP's first MP

A real conservative ? So no health or social care unless you can afford to pay ? The sort of conservatism that ushered in the Trade Union movement and the Labour party to fight for the man in the street and create the NHS and Welfare State  ? I never cease to be amazed at just how many working class tories there are these days

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Tringreen wrote:

A real conservative

as opposed to the hand wringing liberal currently occupying No.10 Tring.

I didn't say I would vote for either of those but it would be nice to be able to differentiate between the three parties on policy.

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Cornish Chris wrote:

The EU is apparently more popular in the UK now than at any point in the last 23 years.

 According to an IPSOS-Mori study quoted in various newspapers today, support for the EU is higher than any point since 1991, and that support for 'In' has overtaken support for 'Out' over the last year.  IPSOS-Mori also asked which way people would vote if Cameron secured some opt-outs in his negotiations, and it was 55%-23% in favour of 'In'.  UKIP have a lot of powerful interests on their side - at least four of the biggest selling UK national newspapers are sympathetic, to say the least - but there seem to be a huge amount of people who are so repelled by Farage and his mates that they see the EU as the lesser of two evils.

Oh dear.

The Ipsos Mori poll was a total crock of shit.

It was a telephone poll, hey welcome to the last century, it was a push question at number 9 in a list of dog boring questions, the sample was just 1002 people, women, old people, Labour and LibDim supporters were massively over sampled, FFS, 54% of the respondents were not currently in employment. Maybe that figure is about right for you Cornish but in the rest of the country a fair lump of us still go out to work.

It was a wholly unrepresentative sample taken some three weeks ago before Junker and Barroso hit us with a bill for £1.7 billion just because Swilly is full of crack whores.

There is an upside of course, this crap coming out and being sucked up by the clueless feck wit fraternity will make it appear that the Kip have got the Big Mo going when more representative polls from companies who know how to do it properly come out.

Rochester on the 20th November will be a better portent to how people really feel about the EU, Mark "wrecker ball" Reckless had a 13% lead before the Tories shipped in a hairdo, when the faithful hit the streets this week end to hit home the message that Cameron can do feck all about the money other than leave the fecking club, I fully expect the next set of polls to show significant Kipper gains.

Tbh I am not a big fan of the UKIP platform, I just love to see the mayhem and panic in the LibLabCon and their rabid but uniformly dim supporters.

It's a by-election. Of course the unaccountable protest vote party are going to win. Labour, the Lib Dems and the Tories are or have been the party of government over the last decade. For Farage-mania, see Clegg-mania five years ago.

It would be interesting to see if Farage's popularity survived being in coalition, and having to defend the economic record of, say, Ed Miliband.

Cornish Chris wrote:

It's a by-election. Of course the unaccountable protest vote party are going to win. Labour, the Lib Dems and the Tories are or have been the party of government over the last decade. For Farage-mania, see Clegg-mania five years ago.

It would be interesting to see if Farage's popularity survived being in coalition, and having to defend the economic record of, say, Ed Miliband.

I think they are very much different animals, I should be stunned if Nigey's boys garnered the 6.8 million votes Clegg got last time, there is also no chance of him going in to coaltion with Camoron or Red Ed, he may trade a short term deal with Cammy for a quick referendum but ti would I feel suit him far better to go for another quick election.

The biggest issue is the lack of history, it's like backing a yearling race where they are all out for the first time, 2010 is no kind of guide, there were not nearly 7 million LibDem voters, there were 3 to 4 million people who hated the Tories and Labour and could be bothered to vote, there were 10 million people who could not be bothered to vote at all.

Next May is a new world, not too sure if it is a Brave one or not, all the big boys are running scared, Clegg already knows the Dims are down the pan and is busy sorting out his new job in Brussels, Ed is keeping a low profile and hoping to sneak in under the wire with 30% quite possibly returning him a small majority, Cammy is in Brussels bloviating for all he is worth on the very off chance that if he makes himself look enough like Nigey he might drag enough support back to beat Ed by the five points he needs to stand a prayer of getting a majority............it ain't happening.

The n*****s in the wood pile are UKIP and the Greens, absolutely nobody can say with any degree of certainty how either will perform, in Canada in '93 the Progressive Conservatives went from 156 seats to 2 when a couple of newish parties went from zero to heroes, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that it could happen to the Tories this time, then we are off to the races big time.

Tbf I don't think any result will make much of a difference, we the great unwashed will continue to get fecked over......c'est la vie, whoever you vote for the fooking government always gets in..

Cornish Chris wrote:

The EU is apparently more popular in the UK now than at any point in the last 23 years. I wonder if those cuddly Kippers are turning people off Euroscepticism by their sheer unapologetic nastiness?

Your point seems largely contrary to a live poll being conducted on the Money Saving Expert site Chris.

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Cornish Chris wrote:

The EU is apparently more popular in the UK now than at any point in the last 23 years. I wonder if those cuddly Kippers are turning people off Euroscepticism by their sheer unapologetic nastiness?

Your point seems largely contrary to a live poll being conducted on the Money Saving Expert site Chris.

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Far be it from to say I told you so, but, I, er, told you so.

24k ish and growing responses, that is a serious sample.

BNP leader Nick Griffin endorses UKIP.

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Sir Francis Drake wrote:

BNP leader Nick Griffin endorses UKIP.

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And if he said he was voting labour one of the other scumbag parties would have latched on to that too.

That's a very good point but the fact that he chose UKIP and not Labour or any of the others is a rather more telling one.

UKIP proudly tell everyone who'll listen that they don't allow former BNP members to join their party.

They seem less inclined to explain why UKIP is so appealing to former BNP members.

Cornish Chris wrote:

UKIP proudly tell everyone who'll listen that they don't allow former BNP members to join their party.

They seem less inclined to explain why UKIP is so appealing to former BNP members.

Oh please, Griffin is not supporting UKIP, if he supported UKIP he would have STFU even were he intending to vote Kip, he has done this so that lefty wankers can live up to that description, Griffin hates Nigey for presenting the British people with a an immigration message they could support and thereby ripping apart his own little game.

Tbf the BNP was coming apart even before the UKIP surge, too many proper nutters and Griffin ain't no Nigey.

Great to see that the whole LibLabCon has now taken on board UKIPs immigration policy, tax policy and policy toward the NHS. ps. Don't forget it was a Labour peer who suggested charging for GP visits, not UKIP.

Nigey, right from the start.

They'll be stuffed when people look beyond their immigration policies..

It'll be dying out by the election.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Cornish Chris wrote:

UKIP proudly tell everyone who'll listen that they don't allow former BNP members to join their party.

They seem less inclined to explain why UKIP is so appealing to former BNP members.

Oh please, Griffin is not supporting UKIP, if he supported UKIP he would have STFU even were he intending to vote Kip, he has done this so that lefty wankers can live up to that description, Griffin hates Nigey for presenting the British people with a an immigration message they could support and thereby ripping apart his own little game.

Tbf the BNP was coming apart even before the UKIP surge, too many proper nutters and Griffin ain't no Nigey.

Great to see that the whole LibLabCon has now taken on board UKIPs immigration policy, tax policy and policy toward the NHS. ps. Don't forget it was a Labour peer who suggested charging for GP visits, not UKIP.

Nigey, right from the start.

Right, UKIP's immigration policy. What is it this week?

Different snouts in the same old trough.

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Never mind breaking the mould... They'll slip right in just ike they have always been there.

After all it's not like Neil Hamilton is a criminal or anything, is it?

At this time fishing off Cornwall between Polperro and Falmouth are fourteen EEC boats but none British.

Tgwu wrote:

At this time fishing off Cornwall between Polperro and Falmouth are fourteen  EEC boats but none British.

CALL THE POLICE!!

Send for Sir Francis Drake, he knew how to deal with Spanish boats.

pepsipete wrote:

Send for Sir Francis Drake, he knew how to deal with Spanish boats.

He off playing bowls

Tgwu wrote:

At this time fishing off Cornwall between Polperro and Falmouth are fourteen  EEC boats but none British.

Always the same when there's a SW gale blowing. The French come inside the lee of the Lizard & hug the six mile limit. Most of them don't stop for any weather less than hurricane force.

Come on Frank, where's your guardian link to the latest kipper faux pas?

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This guy's even copying Hitler's fringe ffs.

Les Miserable wrote:

Come on Frank, where's your guardian link to the latest kipper faux pas?

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You'll have to be more specific - there's so many to choose from.

What's the point though? Anybody who doesn't get what UKIP is all about by now never will.

Any more news on Neil Hamilton?

Ukip's internal squabbles seem to be worse than any of the sane parties. God help them once nice cuddly Nigel's halo slips.