A Suggestion

Just an idea like, IMHO this site has been getting better, much more
Football talk and less shite slinging BUT the one thing that really gets me is how many times a thread is turned towards IJN or someone else when it's not at all relative to the thread.

Dane was one of them last night, on 3 separate threads.

My suggestion is that you put newell etc and all other lovely names people have for him into the swear list and just change it to something innocuous. At least that way it's not the same thing being seen all the time!

Fwiw I think the latest mod set up is doing well. The site is getting better, slowly

 

Mrrapson wrote:

Just an idea like, IMHO this site has been getting better, much more
Football talk and less shite slinging BUT the one thing that really gets me is how many times a thread is turned towards IJN or someone else when it's not at all relative to the thread.

Dane was one of them last night, on 3 separate threads.

My suggestion is that you put newell etc and all other lovely names people have for him into the swear list and just change it to something innocuous. At least that way it's not the same thing being seen all the time!

Fwiw I think the latest mod set up is doing well. The site is getting better, slowly

Ain't gonna happen. The devious control freak is on the ropes.

If it weren't for his own propensity to bully, silence and control, ATD wouldn't even exist. He doesn't do healthy debate. He doesn't do democracy. He is merely reaping the rewards of his own actions.

Fortunately, the Argyle world now knows what he's about. He's been found out and decent people don't like being taken for fools...............unless they are fools.

The thing is tring, you and others are as guilty as you profess he is. Constant attacks on here, some twitter and FB stalking. It doesn't take the high ground it puts ppl on an equal plain or lower.

If this site wants to flourish then a stance needs to be taken once and for all.

That's a I'm saying, no personal dogs at anyone in particular.

Mrrapson wrote:

The thing is tring, you and others are as guilty as you profess he is. Constant attacks on here, some twitter and FB stalking. It doesn't take the high ground it puts ppl on an equal plain or lower.

If this site wants to flourish then a stance needs to be taken once and for all.

That's a I'm saying, no personal dogs at anyone in particular.

I don't do twitter and he's not a f/b friend.

Nool and his gang are the reason ATD exists ffs ! A few of us spotted their control freakery many years ago and warned of where it would lead.

All they are doing is reaping the rewards of their continued behaviours and as they now actually have influence at the club, decent people will continue to oppose and expose them.

As far as I understand this forum, it's not about succeeding or flourishing.
It's about allowing a fair platform for ALL legally held opinions on the football club that are not allowed on the farm. No more, no less. That includes Jones, Webb and Newell.
It would be a mistake to see the tougher stance on obvious trolls disrupting the forum as a forerunner to censorship on all things Argyle. Sorry to disappoint you Rapper, that won't happen.

Mrrapson wrote:

The thing is tring, you and others are as guilty as you profess he is. Constant attacks on here, some twitter and FB stalking. It doesn't take the high ground it puts ppl on an equal plain or lower.

If this site wants to flourish then a stance needs to be taken once and for all.

That's a I'm saying, no personal dogs at anyone in particular.

Unfortunately it's in the DNA of this site....first set-up for PASOTI rejects to have a voice.....but moving on is difficult for some of them.

To say it as you see it.... can be a red rag to a bull for some... who can only see it one way....whatever is happening on the pitch never seems to cheer them up.....they are less and less Argyle fans and more and more Newell & co haters....and if you say too much against that approach ....you can always go elsewhere.

Zyph, you've never got it and never will.   
To dismiss the vast majority of fans on here who disagree with the direction of the club, it's recent behaviour, and it's designs in the park, as not REAL fans is pointless and far far from the truth.

It's like calling loyal citizens terrorists just because they exercise their legal and cultural right to demonstrate against government policy of the day. There is a need to distinguish between flag wavers and self centered and/or systemic corruption.

Zyph wrote:

Mrrapson wrote:

The thing is tring, you and others are as guilty as you profess he is. Constant attacks on here, some twitter and FB stalking. It doesn't take the high ground it puts ppl on an equal plain or lower.

If this site wants to flourish then a stance needs to be taken once and for all.

That's a I'm saying, no personal dogs at anyone in particular.

Unfortunately it's in the DNA of this site....first set-up for PASOTI rejects to have a voice.....but moving on is difficult for some of them.

To say it as you see it.... can be a red rag to a bull for some... who can only see it one way....whatever is happening on the pitch never seems to cheer them up.....they are less and less Argyle fans and more and more Newell & co haters....and if you say too much against that approach ....you can always go elsewhere.

There are bigger issues than what is happening on the pitch. The support us blindly, or feck off and follow Manure mantra is not my bag . No moving on for me, dear boy. That's what they'd like of course. For that to happen, all they have to do is be open, honest and democratic.

Ask the farm if that's a deal ?

Winter Green wrote:

As far as I understand this forum, it's not about succeeding or flourishing.
It's about allowing a fair platform for ALL legally held opinions on the football club that are not allowed on the farm. No more, no less. That includes Jones, Webb and Newell.
It would be a mistake to see the tougher stance on obvious trolls disrupting the forum as a forerunner to censorship on all things Argyle. Sorry to disappoint you Rapper, that won't happen.

This is bang on.

There's a pretty common misconception that ATD is in some way trying to be Pasoti Mk2. It's not.

It's inception was very much brought about by a desire from the Farm Controller to deny people a voice. It's grown steadily as more and more people become cheesed off with Pasoti's transformation from  Independent Forum, to Official Club Mouthpiece - courtesy of a control freak who will do anything, including buying the bloody forum, to keep control and dampen down any anti-Brent dissent.

Since the latest meltdown, ATD has had another influx of posters, some of which appear to be intelligent long-time Pasoti regulars who simply have had enough of the direction in which Newell and De-Lar are determined to steer the site.

ATD was once all about giving the underdog a platform to air their views, and largely, that ethos still remains.

The underdogs are playing to an audience now though that widens pretty much by the day, and it's all down to one persons obsession for CONTROL.

IAN NEWELL. WHAT A PLONKER.   

The openness of this forum is one of it's strengths, the fact the truth isn't hidden is one thing many people want. If something happened people should be able to read about it as long as the law allows.

The sniping and personal attacks are a bit out of control, but I'm guessing it's a young userbase. The many posts which contribute nothing but attacks and mindless insults are one thing that will hold the forum back from ever really being considered serious by a lot of people. (Posts just calling someone a cock for example)

Perhaps if the site doesn't want to be a PASOTI 2.0 it should stop referencing it at every turn and only where relevant. Maybe keep it away from the main football board. Let people choose to see that side in a separate section.

There is a lot of good and open information here, sadly it gets hidden underneath a lot of crap too. There is definitely potential though.

OnlyOdi wrote:

The openness of this forum is one of it's strengths, the fact the truth isn't hidden is one thing many people want. If something happened people should be able to read about it as long as the law allows.

The sniping and personal attacks are a bit out of control, but I'm guessing it's a young userbase. The many posts which contribute nothing but attacks and mindless insults are one thing that will hold the forum back from ever really being considered serious by a lot of people. (Posts just calling someone a cock for example)

Perhaps if the site doesn't want to be a PASOTI 2.0 it should stop referencing it at every turn and only where relevant. Maybe keep it away from the main football board. Let people choose to see that side in a separate section.

There is a lot of good and open information here, sadly it gets hidden underneath a lot of crap too. There is definitely potential though.

My guess is the average posting age on here is double that of Pasoti.

Don't you ever watch the news for example and just shout "prick" at the telly? I like the earthiness of this site.

ATD was created for about 12 people. 12 people that often called each other cocks etc. and 12 people that liked to refer to pasoti and it's shenanigans along with the shenanigans of those that own, manage and manipulate it.

Everyone and anyone is welcome to join and use ATD and everyone and anyone can leave ATD at any time they wish. Nobody has ever forced anyone to join or use ATD,

My question to those that wish to change ATD is this...Considering that these forums are free to set up and use, take approx. 4 minutes to create and a few hours to tinkle with for the colour etc. why are a few so intent to change the train set when they so easily create their own?

ADT isn't pasoti and believe me, pasoti is the very last thing that many of us want it to be. I happen to believe that there is plenty of room for A N Other to start a pasoti Mk 2 and leave ATD for us freaks and weirdos? For a sensible chat a few of us may sign up to that as well.

Open a forum and try's to change the world.

It's a little odd to state that a forum (by its own nature a fluid and dynamic social media format populated by people) needs to have a set ethos. If ATD is just a reaction against another forum and a select few 'internet personalities', just turn it into a static blog. There's no need to have a forum at all, no need for new members to join and old members to leave.
Pasoti mk 2 is strange - pasoti used to be very different back in the day - it was a lot like this forum is now. Terraces on pasoti used to be a battleground. This is Pasoti mk 2.

Pasoti has always been hideous. Just before it was that prick Andy s calling the shots

hairy j wrote:

It's a little odd to state that a forum (by its own nature a fluid and dynamic social media format populated by people) needs to have a set ethos. If ATD is just a reaction against another forum and a select few 'internet personalities', just turn it into a static blog. There's no need to have a forum at all, no need for new members to join and old members to leave.
Pasoti mk 2 is strange - pasoti used to be very different back in the day - it was a lot like this forum is now. Terraces on pasoti used to be a battleground. This is Pasoti mk 2.

A bit too convoluted for my sensitivities. If you want to run a blog, run a blog. End of, not a problem.

There's one football club that used to be commented on by one online forum in the main. Now there's two forums and has been for some time.
Pasoti, to it's detriment, lost out to a control freak, well apparent these days, and their loss, hence many posters, including myself 3 years ago,  have been hopping across to another Argyle forum to carry on the club discussion in a free and fair manner without some idiot thinking they're Vladimir Putin. And let's not forget there is also a wide Twitter twittering going on somewhere out there.

So why this big problem in sharing club debate across two forums and various platforms.  It's the same club, the same arguments. Why would either forum not reference the other ?
If, Hairy, you are saying this forum is like Pasoti used to be, then yes, I agree with you and thank the arriving Spring sun for that. Let's make sure it stays that way and doesn't become like the present Pasoti dirge with Vladamir's ultimate sanction on everything. many fans now know that censorship over there to be true.
Nobody cares whether an internet football forum is original. There are only eight notes, sort of although apparently in Division 3 South, there were only five. Only the forum's content and process of debate matters.
And yes, Dane, you're right. Before Vladimir there was Joseph. Eaten by anger and vitriol.

the problem pasoti has is they are too close to the 'power' at home park and don't take any real sort of critique except 'I like what james is doing but.......'

Elias wrote:

the problem pasoti has is they are too close to the 'power' at home park and don't take any real sort of critique except 'I  like what james is doing but.......'

It used to pride itself on being Independent!

Now it is more like a puppet show from Brent down to free ST (on the payroll) empty headed drummer boy..........

Or even a Punch and Judy show and we all know who Punch is?

Dane. wrote:

Open a forum and try's to change the world.

My first thoughts too, I see he's still poodling for the pig whenever the pig puts himself up to be shot down, lol! :