Ariel Sharon Dies

Jelly and Ice cream anyone?

More like get the popcorn in for here later.

just seen the tv coverage and oddly enough sky news paint him as some sort of hero of israel when the truth is he was nothing more than an apartheid war criminal who caused the deaths of so many Palestinians over the years so he could build homes on their land.

Good riddance to him.

8 years in a coma. Fookin hell if that happens ter Mocko then please pull the plug. In fact, if it gets over a week feel free.

I'm pulling the plug now, Mock. 
 
The guy wasn't a hero of mine, I must say.
A friend of mine was down that way in November helping the Palestinians get their olive crop in like they have done for thousands of years without being stoned or beaten to death by the ever growing band of "settlers". A Western presence acts as a human shield for the harvesting process that otherwise is ruined by daily attacks to try and bully them off their land. How sick is that. Yet it never hits our news.

I guess he'll be remembered for how white he got our washing, even at 40oC.

Chemical Ali wrote:

I guess he'll be remembered for how white he got our washing, even at 40oC.

I use Sharon wash liquid too.

coma since 2006 !   

who cares

Dane. wrote:

who cares

The fact he never paid for the countless war crimes he commited and being hailed as some sort of hero by sky annoys me. He was in charge of an apartheid state in israel which only last month cameron was honouring a man who helped end it in South Africa.

The BBC coverage was interesting. It wasn't impartial. It was 'he was evil/he was great' in equal measure.

knecht wrote:

Chemical Ali wrote:

I guess he'll be remembered for how white he got our washing, even at 40oC.

I use Sharon wash liquid too.

I prefer OMO myself.
I find it hard to understand why the Isreal/Palestine thing is not in the news more often, some of the things that have gone on there are horrid yet every time I think about it I feel like I'm guilty of thought crime.

There are some (including Israelis) who say that all that has held Israel together is the external threat. It's a very divided nation!

hairy j wrote:

The BBC coverage was interesting. It wasn't impartial. It was 'he was evil/he was great' in equal measure.

They have to be like that because of their licencing laws straight down the middle with everything. This man if he got into power again which he was almost set too before his stroke would have caused WW3 as he is that hated in the middle east and would have been a recruitment tool for AL Qaeda which most of its is recruitment material comes from his treatment of Palestinians over the years along with Israel apartheid attitude towards them.

Mock Cuncher wrote:

8 years in a coma. Fookin hell if that happens ter Mocko then please pull the plug. In fact, if it gets over a week feel free.

My eldest daughter was in a coma for a week 3 yrs ago, she pulled through thankgod.

Angry wrote:

hairy j wrote:

The BBC coverage was interesting. It wasn't impartial. It was 'he was evil/he was great' in equal measure.

They have to be like that because of their licencing laws straight down the middle with everything. This man if he got into power again which he was almost set too before his stroke would have caused WW3 as he is that hated in the middle east and would have been a recruitment tool for AL Qaeda which most of its is recruitment material comes from his treatment of Palestinians over the years along with Israel apartheid attitude towards them.

anyone in that region could start ww3 but the greatest threat to the world is fukishima !

The Mandela analogy is an interesting one, insiders have intimated that Shazza was about to do a volte face on the issue of settlements when he was struck down, were that the case then the issue might well have progressed far more favourably for the Palestinians by now, Shaz was one of very few leaders who might have carried sufficient weight in the Knesset to have actually got something done.

Nice to see the usuals frothing up, had it not been for the likes of Shaz, Dayan and even Begin there may well have been a pogrom to match most which would have preceded it by the russians or Hitler.

A little perspective might help in understanding some of the more violent actions of the IDF.

Sabra & Shatila, Dir Yassin, 1948, Jenin. The fact is that the deaths of Palestinians greatly outnumber the deaths of Israeli Jews. There are awful atrocities on BOTH sides.

I once fell out with a good (left-wing, liberal) Israeli friend who thought that I was saying he was a colonialist and, worse still, that I was saying that Israel should no longer exist. I wasn't. But he too felt so threatened that he couldn't hear what I was actually saying. Even Shlomo Sand (as extreme a Jewish challenger to the Israeli state as you will get) says that, whilst one may question the establishment of that country and the means whereby it was achieved, its existence is a demonstrable fact and no amount of angst can or should backtrack on that. The question is how to move forward - recognising the hurt on both sides. A little perspective might help in understanding some of the more violent actions of the IDF AND the Palestinians.

As for Sharon's Road to Damascus (  ) volte face re detente with Palestine - old people approaching the end often want to make amends with their god (or their nearest & dearest and the people they have harmed). It's been argued that on a personal level his intrusion a few years ago onto the site of the Al Aqsa & the Dome of the Rock was the trigger that led to the current violence and that he was merely looking to consolidate the gains he had made on behalf of his electorate.

Angry wrote:

hairy j wrote:

The BBC coverage was interesting. It wasn't impartial. It was 'he was evil/he was great' in equal measure.

They have to be like that because of their licencing laws straight down the middle with everything. This man if he got into power again which he was almost set too before his stroke would have caused WW3 as he is that hated in the middle east and would have been a recruitment tool for AL Qaeda which most of its is recruitment material comes from his treatment of Palestinians over the years along with Israel apartheid attitude towards them.

No, it WASN'T impartial - it was ten minutes of 'he was evil' and ten minutes of 'he was a hero to millions'. I was surprised they didn't sit on the fence. Their report was essentially stating that Sharon split international opinion straight down the line.

hairy j wrote:

Angry wrote:

hairy j wrote:

The BBC coverage was interesting. It wasn't impartial. It was 'he was evil/he was great' in equal measure.

They have to be like that because of their licencing laws straight down the middle with everything. This man if he got into power again which he was almost set too before his stroke would have caused WW3 as he is that hated in the middle east and would have been a recruitment tool for AL Qaeda which most of its is recruitment material comes from his treatment of Palestinians over the years along with Israel apartheid attitude towards them.

No, it WASN'T impartial - it was ten minutes of 'he was evil' and ten minutes of 'he was a hero to millions'. I was surprised they didn't sit on the fence. Their report was essentially stating that Sharon split international opinion straight down the line.

that sounds Being down the line to me ten mins of pro with ten mins of against.

Impartiality ? the British media ? I think some have been reading the wrong papers.

Three or four years ago, the incoming Tory minister of this present government clearly stated on television his desire to see TV news and current affairs stuff to be more in line with current government thinking of the day. My jaw dropped at the candid comment, but said it was. I'm sure they will have been beavering away in the background. Message implant and story telling is a very beguiling art, and people would be mad to think any country's media is impartial. And that's before we even get into the legal systemic instruments and murky depths of things like the 30 year rules that are there to help the process along nicely. Management is where it's at, not impartiality.