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And what are your qualifications for enabling to make this diagnosis?

Im just saying its a shocker

One symptom is erratic behaviour, including lying and manipulating those around you, in order to achieve one's aims at the cost of others, without guilt or remorse.

Clinical diagnosis is a funny thing, and often the need for that diagnosis can be linked to the need to obtain funding or access to facilities that would otherwise be out of reach for many people. Therefore a big proprtion of the diagnosed sufferers are from the poor. Many disorders amongst the better off and the busy go undiagnosed, as 'help' is econmoically in reach without State help. This is a well known phenomena amongst the caring professions.

penzancepirate wrote:

One symptom is erratic behaviour, including lying and manipulating those around you, in order to achieve one's aims at the cost of others, without guilt or remorse.

Clinical diagnosis is a funny thing, and often the need for that diagnosis can be linked to the need to obtain funding or access to facilities that would otherwise be out of reach for many people. Therefore a big proprtion of the diagnosed sufferers are from the poor. Many disorders amongst the better off and the busy go undiagnosed, as 'help' is econmoically in reach without State help. This is a well known phenomena amongst the caring professions.

I almost totally agree PP and it's the sort of thing I worked hard all my professional career to combat. And diagnosis is not a science - it's an art. It's often used to keep people in their place as are the attempts to get people labelled. I got totally fed-up with it. The dilemma was often if you don't receive a label, you won't get help and if you do get the label then that actually becomes the person. It fucked me up having to work with all that.

I just think that to bandy such pseudo-medical science about does more damage to those that do suffer from borderline personality disorder or other mental health difficulties. Not to mention the shitty name-calling that IJN is so adept at and that some on here practise. I had enough of that on the receiving end last night on pasoti (and in a different way last night whilst I was out working). Dane_b's comment triggered a response. One thing to call someone "mad" - that's a cultural shorthand - but to dredge up some nonsense about BPD is stupid.

Sorry ... it hits a nerve.....

funny man wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

One symptom is erratic behaviour, including lying and manipulating those around you, in order to achieve one's aims at the cost of others, without guilt or remorse.

Clinical diagnosis is a funny thing, and often the need for that diagnosis can be linked to the need to obtain funding or access to facilities that would otherwise be out of reach for many people. Therefore a big proprtion of the diagnosed sufferers are from the poor. Many disorders amongst the better off and the busy go undiagnosed, as 'help' is econmoically in reach without State help. This is a well known phenomena amongst the caring professions.

I almost totally agree PP and it's the sort of thing I worked hard all my professional career to combat. And diagnosis is not a science - it's an art. It's often used to keep people in their place as are the attempts to get people labelled. I got totally fed-up with it. The dilemma was often if you don't receive a label, you won't get help and if you do get the label then that actually becomes the person. It fucked me up having to work with all that.

I just think that to bandy such pseudo-medical science about does more damage to those that do suffer from borderline personality disorder or other mental health difficulties. Not to mention the shitty name-calling that IJN is so adept at and that some on here practise. I had enough of that on the receiving end last night on pasoti (and in a different way last night whilst I was out working). Dane_b's comment triggered a response. One thing to call someone "mad" - that's a cultural shorthand - but to dredge up some nonsense about BPD is stupid.

Sorry ... it hits a nerve.....

Who's doing the diagnosing,as R D Laing once asked.