The Writing is...

...on the farm yard wall...


http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=61272&start=30

Graham Clarke wrote:

I really look forward to hearing more details of James Brent's 'engagement proposal' that is to be revealed in the meeting on 14th January. If it is anything like the 'Supervisory or Advisory Board' suggestion made at our final post purchase Contingency Plan Committee meeting with James then I think that all supporters groups will be very happy.

Based loosely on the German model such a 'Supervisory Board' would hold the Board of the Football Club to account. The representation would be wide and it would seem to me that it would be most appropriate that Chris as President could chair such a meeting in a role as the principal conduit between the club and it's supporters. Transparency would be the key as well as full and proper consultation. I would also hope that the recruitment process for the Board members will have been completed by the time of the meeting and that all of them could be present to answer questions.

Such an inclusive approach should hold no fears for the Trust. As the principal supporter's group they will have a major role to play as other Trusts do up and down the land who are in the happy position, like at Argyle now, that their beloved club is not under threat. That role may be much broader and community based than it is now but the development of that role will be a matter for the elected Board and it's members. It is not a question of a seat on the Board as that, rightly in my view, has been ruled out. However, should there be a possibility of share ownership then the Trust in my view would the right and most viable route to achieve such a position.

So many people fought so hard to save the club. Too many to mention in fact but I feel strongly that if full engagement with the supporters is to work then it should be as broad as possible so everyone at least feels their voice is heard. This is a real opportunity to firmly embed the supporters back at the heart of the club. I really excited by that and it will make the fight for the survival for our club over the last 12 months even more worthwhile.

Surprise... Surprise... Not too long after.... (p.7)

Ian Newell wrote:

I'd stand for election for the Supervisory Board Woz, but I'd never stand for the Trust.

I would imagine, others could feel the same way as well.

No doubt the ‘rebranding’ from “IJN” to “Ian Newell” is the first step in marketing for his upcoming election campaign (should he even need one). Wouldn’t want the press and all those voters getting confused on the ballot! It has to be the reason.. I mean, surely he didn’t delete himself again for the umpteenth time whilst carrying out simple mod duties?

No doubt the ubiquitous “Gary” and ‘Mark” will be on the board too.. I see there is support for them to be awarded a place just for being GT’s.

Who else will be there??

I am guessing the Chair of the Trust... Fair enough.

Graham himself? ...and what to do with Posty?

And the ‘Pres’ of course....

No wonder President Webb wouldn’t say anything when asked...

Sounds to me like the CP commitee want to stay at the top table and are engineering the situation to achieve this.

Chris Webb and IjN have both advocated for the GT alongside serial Trust naysayer Tony Chowell (buddy of the aforementioned) who thinks the CPers would be a good idea to get the nod (would that include an ex director who was hanging around the periphery of that group trying to find a way back into the hearts and minds of supporters)

Its all going one way really and I feel the voting will become an X Factor/I'm a Celebrity popularity poll rather than anything substantial. Quite why it all couldn't wait until after the Trust election which after all is only a few weeks after I don't know (yes I'm sure Brent wants to get on with it but its hardly the most pressing thing on the agenda)

There are ready made groups to pull representation from. A bolstered Supporters Club, the Trust and a (relaunched) Season Ticket Association would be good starting points.

Surely the trust should be at the top and all the other groups come under their umbrella?

And welcome to ATD Dougie.

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Surely the trust should be at the top and all the other groups come under their umbrella?
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Mr Newell's response to a question from GreenSam
"I have always thought that the structure and make up of the Trust could be a bit 'tethered' by procedure and group dynamic, whereas a more independent role would mean that you could act in a more proactive way.

I admire what the Trust are doing, but that's why I turned down several requests to join the ISC, it just wasn't for me."

What does that mean other than "I want to act on my own without being elected"? That would mean he would have to be told what to do and he wouldn't like that. I look forward to IJN's response to Richard Blight's challenge re his inconsistencies about it being an elected body containing unelected people.


Chris Webb has said some interesting things about how this "Supervisory Board" should be constituted:
"Speaking from a 'personal' point of view I would hope that everyone on any such group would be elected.

I think we need to see what James Brent is thinking.

If its the Trust only then of course there is an inbuilt election there.

If its wider then my view is that each group coming to the table will have to in some way, shape or form gain legitimacy......vote of attendees at a home match? Vote of season ticket holders? vote of members from within specific supporters groups? The only group who I feel would be exempt from this would be the GTs because it would be difficult for them to hold elections but without a doubt they deserve a say in the Clubs running.

Personally I wouldn't have 'website representatives'. Pasoti is an independent organisation and to represent its 5000 members would be almost impossible. That said I would hope that whatever framework James Brent comes up with, posters from Pasoti will be given the chance to stand for some form of election.

There is always a solution.

The key thing will be to see where James Brent is coming from then the supporters can have input, give feedback and ensure that the representatives have a legitimacy and a mandate from Argyle fans."

In my view there is an interesting potential point of conflict developing there.

Four legs goooooooood. Two legs baaaaaaaaaad .

I'm another that fails to see the purpose of this 'supervisory board', other than a representary group without the restirctions of being a trust. If the Trust isn't going to own shares in the club, then surely its purpose should be as the representative body of the supporters and a form of governance, in the manner of a PTA group.

As I understand it the trust, the trust will be involved in 'community work', well I don't live in Plymouth so what use is that to me?

It just seems a non-elective, democratic method to provide influence to some that have not been given any sort of mandate. If that seems like gobbledygook it's because the intention of one or two individuals is to provide confusion so that they can gain influence via a non-elected, non democratic backdoor!

There should only be one entity and that should be an elected Trust.

I DO NOT WANT CHRIS WEBB OR IAN NEWELL AND CO. WITHIN A MILLION MILES OF THE BOARDROOM unless they have gained their positions via an election from ALL ARGYLE FANS, I want proper Argyle fan elected representatives, not a pasoti junta made up of "pals"!

Bizarrely given how Pasoti was persona non grata with previous Argyle boards and how indignant they were about that they now consider themselves to be the only show in town. ADT is now similarly viewed by that site in the way Argyle once viewed it.

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I do think though if you are going to adress the cyber community, PASOTI is the only one thats needs to be used

This in relation to campaigning for election to the scruntiny board so don't expect any cyberface time with at least one of people considering standing.

I think id be good on a supervisory committee. I know football and im not a geeky football loving trainspotter

dane_b wrote:

I think id be good on a supervisory committee. I know football and im not a geeky football loving trainspotter

Do you still manage Millbrook?

No, I left there, summer before last to manage Ottery St Mary up near exeter. i was only stayed for 1 season. Having a rest from it this season