Is it time to change the Manager ??..

Coxside_Green wrote:

To be fair Damon, the club did get carried by a couple of premiership bound managers. Full credit for employing them, a pity we couldn't keep hold of them.

Any particular reason we couldn't keep hold of them?

One big reason - money. As soon as multi millionaire Coates bought Stoke back from the Icelandics Pu was always going to work with him again. Ollie's wages tripled when Mandaric flashed the cash.

Plus he saw what was coming

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Dane I had nothing to do with Sturrock's appointment. What Luggy did for our club was magnificent but the man himself will tell you that it was down to a partnership and friendship between himself and the Board.

It could be argued that that friendship was partly due to the downfall of the club too.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

To be fair Damon, the club did get carried by a couple of premiership bound managers.  Full credit for employing them, a pity we couldn't keep hold of them.

Any particular reason we couldn't keep hold of them?

One big reason - money. As soon as multi millionaire Coates bought Stoke back from the Icelandics Pu was always going to work with him again. Ollie's wages tripled when Mandaric flashed the cash.

To be fair you did get out.

Others hung around despite never being able to compete.

It's good to have you back onside anyhow, hope you had a good summer.

Dane. wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Dane I had nothing to do with Sturrock's appointment. What Luggy did for our club was magnificent but the man himself will tell you that it was down to a partnership and friendship between himself and the Board.

It could be argued that that friendship was partly due to the downfall of the club too.

is it me?

Cheers CG - a difficult summer but all ok now thanks.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

To be fair Damon, the club did get carried by a couple of premiership bound managers.  Full credit for employing them, a pity we couldn't keep hold of them.

Any particular reason we couldn't keep hold of them?

One big reason - money. As soon as multi millionaire Coates bought Stoke back from the Icelandics Pu was always going to work with him again. Ollie's wages tripled when Mandaric flashed the cash.

True, but Pulis couldn't believe the board's priorities when he left.

As for Holloway, certainly a big pay rise, but he wanted to take this club to the Premier League. He may well have done as well, had the then board not been full of self interest and had the future of the football club at heart.

All water under the bridge now, but in my view, we will never have a better chance.

Is it true pulls wrote a list for the argyle board of things they need to do in order to bring the club in line with other clubs at championship level

And board ignored him?

The board bottled it with holloway. Instead of backing him, they broke his team up. Don't blame him for going. The board didn't match his own ambition.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Cheers CG - a  difficult summer but all ok now thanks.

Sorry, I didn't realise any difficulties, just assumed you had a break from forums. My bad and hope no offence taken.

Dane. wrote:

Is it true pulls wrote a list for the argyle board of things they need to do in order to bring the club in line with other clubs at championship level

And board ignored him?

No

So you listened ???

Greenskin wrote:

...Can't remember what (the BBC programme) was called but they were previewing the season for all the relevant clubs.The link man asked Fletch what was needed for Argyle to be more successful and he replied along the lines of unless more money was put into the budget than was the case under his management,then the club could not hope to progress all that much further.Which certainly doesn't tally with what he was saying at the time [happy with budget,4th biggest in the division,save some for January etc] and makes you wonder if the public pronouncements from Sheridan are the whole truth and nothing but the truth.Food for thought.

The programme was "Late Kick-Off". I also remember a very telling interview when Sheridan first arrived in which he let slip something along the lines that "I didn't realise it would be like this" or somesuch.

Coxside_Green wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Cheers CG - a  difficult summer but all ok now thanks.

Sorry, I didn't realise any difficulties, just assumed you had a break from forums. My bad and hope no offence taken.

no offence taken CG - just what life throws at us from time to time.

Dane. wrote:

So you listened ???

yes Dane - Pu wanted a gym at HP - we installed a gym. Pu wanted improved drainage on Harpers, we improved the drainage. He wanted the Austria pre season camp, he got it. Pu was a great manager, thorough, totally professional, taking the unfit, bloated disorganised squad he inherited and turned us into a very difficult team to beat. Certainly not pretty but did the job. Pu was and probably still is a gery ambitious man. He knew there was far more chance if Coates handing over millions than us and went where the cyequebook was.

I don't dis-agree about pulis. He kept argyle up that season when it was looking grim for a long time.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Players do give a damn Knecht - it's called unity. The Directors I served with were all die hard Argyle fans (much more so than this grockle!). We could and would sit with the manager and talk football on a friday night before an away game. We could and would watch training sessions. We travelled on the team bus and celebrated wins and shared the sorrow of defeat with the team. We had a beer with the boys, our wives took players wives out for girls nights. We were as one. We were a club. A football club. We all knew where the parts we needed to play to ensure success.
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Just read your post, Damon. In your days as one of the directors, behind the scenes and away from the gazing eyes and aspirations of normals fans, it seems PAFC were as one, unified, passionate, close-knit and motivated and all singing from the same hymn-sheet. As it should be. Coincidently, those days seem to have been our halcyon ones.

Now? well, we all know how the story panned out.

God I miss the days of trigger, Bessy, Hodges, Ro, friio, Norris & Co, the days of a new stand just built and packed out, the days of the HP fortress mentality, the days of knowing even if we did lose we would go down fighting. Pfwa, I'm off on one again.

Yesterday's anger has subsided to sadness this morning. I say, in anger, in the heat of the moment I don't give a fcuk anymore, but obviously I do care, I care a lot about my home team, PAFC.

Argyle - what the feck happened.


Pfwa, I'm off out for a walk, with a tear in my eye.   ( I'll just blame it on the wind in my eyes if the wife asks). 

Echo a lot of the posts from this thread- manager after manager has struggled under Brent (admittedly administration didn't help), but even with our current money situation we should not be struggling.

Some will blame Shezza and to a degree he does share the blame as some of his signings have been terrible but our bench for most matches have been kids. Tyler Harvey isn't good enough for league football yet (he should be loaned to a Blue Square team to build his confidence like Ashley Barnes did), and he's our third choice striker (until this weekend).

Brent only cares about personal gain and his lieutenants have successfully given the impression he cares about Argyle when it's clear his only care is for the Akerron shareholders.

On a side issue, well done to Exeter yesterday, the better side won.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:
Players do give a damn Knecht - it's called unity. The Directors I served with were all die hard Argyle fans (much more so than this grockle!). We could and would sit with the manager and talk football on a friday night before an away game. We could and would watch training sessions. We travelled on the team bus and celebrated wins and shared the sorrow of defeat with the team. We had a beer with the boys, our wives took players wives out for girls nights. We were as one. We were a club. A football club. We all knew where the parts we needed to play to ensure success.
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That's all fine and dandy in the lower leagues and you do have a valid point concerning unity of purpose but the real questions get asked these days, at Championship level.

For a potentially biggish club without any top flight history and the resultant 20k fanbase, there simply had to be investment at the right time, or the inevitable was always going to happen.
The best staff/players would be picked off and that was followed by Sturrock handing out fat contracts to less than average players.

Some of us saw it all coming but Pasoti told us to feck off and enjoy the ride. They were too busy sucking up to suits.

'I'll never hear a bad word against that man and his lovely family'   

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I see on Pasoti thay are champing at the bit to get Paul Wotton in as manager....eeeeeeeeee bleeds green.

God give me strength  

punchdrunk wrote:

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I see on Pasoti thay are champing at the bit to get Paul Wotton in as manager....eeeeeeeeee bleeds green.

God give me strength  

Ee probably as all the required qualities. Whatchafink ?

punchdrunk wrote:

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I see on Pasoti thay are champing at the bit to get Paul Wotton in as manager....eeeeeeeeee bleeds green.

God give me strength  

No, Just fecking no. I wonder what will happen if he loses his rag in the changing room? You may be thanked with an ashtray in the head.

Wotton will be just a truer green model than Fletcher ever was......but he has no management experience....and it has been said already we cannot afford to remove Sheridan who has a three year contract plus his complete backroom staff......some of these players have performed elsewhere,how is it that Argyle can turn players into boring has-beens.

Gow is doing well at Exeter......N'Gala scored twice yesterday for Portsmouth....(that bodes well for next week)....you can all name a list as long as your arm of successful Argyle mis-fits who have moved on to better days.

ZYPH wrote:

Wotton will be just a truer green model than Fletcher ever was......but he has no management experience....and it has been said already we cannot afford to remove Sheridan who has a three year contract plus his complete backroom staff......some of these players have performed elsewhere,how is it that Argyle can turn players into boring has-beens.

Gow is doing well at Exeter......N'Gala scored twice yesterday for Portsmouth....(that bodes well for next week)....you can all name a list as long as your arm of successful Argyle mis-fits who have moved on to better days.

Some said Jamie Mackie was a headless chicken when here and look where he ended up  

Jello wrote:

punchdrunk wrote:

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I see on Pasoti thay are champing at the bit to get Paul Wotton in as manager....eeeeeeeeee bleeds green.

God give me strength  

No, Just fecking no. I wonder what will happen if he loses his rag in the changing room? You may be thanked with an ashtray in the head.

I hope there are no ash trays required in the changing room.....they are supposed to be dedicated athletes ?

It was a water jug and Wotton got hit with it, it was also a subject not to be discussed on the farm.