The non political GT'S

It is a non profit making organisation. Any excess of income over expenditure is put back into the projects that are being supported.

I wasn't at the meeting yesterday, I was being a Dad, far more important. I can't get my head round how on one hand you say you want the money to go to the first team and on the other moan about the way the GTs are propping Brent up??

For my own par I believe the purpose of the GTs was served when the last payment was made to a member of staff who was owed money. However the guys and girls that continue do so with the very best intentions and will always have my thanks for the part they played in keeping the club alive.

GOB wrote:

Apologies for having a doubt Damon, glad to see you're back posting again and I am glad you didn't take the same path as Webb, Hooper and Back.

Yes i echo this thanks for not selling out i always believed in you:cheers:  

Mrrapson wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

It will go to the Youth Development programme, the Argyle Ladies and Argyle Disability teams as well as a number of local community projects.

Hahaha Damon, that's twice. You've got to stop making them look silly.

 

That's exactly why you are perceived as a shit stirring weasel Leigh

I'm just saying I couldn't really care less about the ladies team. If they are to keep rattling the bucket I would rather it wasn't for an associated side that really is feck all to do with the men's team.

Damon I don't doubt that the GT'S have raised an exceptional amount of money I just don't think we should be relying on handouts anymore. Brent's been owner for two years now and the club is just as amateurish as it was whilst in administration and reliant on fund raising. The latest one was medical equipment supplied by a supporters branch. Wtf is that about? Brent's schemes are popping up all over Plymouth and set to make him a nice profit and a supporters club is paying for vital equipment that should be there as standard.

The big society 2013 where the volunteers outnumber staff and the busiest part of the ground is the directors box!

GOB wrote:

Mrrapson wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

It will go to the Youth Development programme, the Argyle Ladies and Argyle Disability teams as well as a number of local community projects.

Hahaha Damon, that's twice. You've got to stop making them look silly.

 

That's exactly why you are perceived as a shit stirring weasel Leigh

first go on nools cock no doubt

GOB wrote:

Mrrapson wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

It will go to the Youth Development programme, the Argyle Ladies and Argyle Disability teams as well as a number of local community projects.

Hahaha Damon, that's twice. You've got to stop making them look silly.

 

That's exactly why you are perceived as a shit stirring weasel Leigh

Gob, he claims that underneath the brown nosing exterior he's a really really nice guy!

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

It will go to the Youth Development programme, the Argyle Ladies and Argyle Disability teams as well as a number of local community projects.

For me this is where the problems start with the whole GT thing. I don't object to them running fan fests (they aren't for me but if you like that sort of thing then good luck to you) or any of the other fund raising activities. I don't blame them for the actions of others whether on their coach or not. I'm sure their support for the unpaid staff is very welcome by them and there can be no doubt that the willingness of the staff to work for no wages and the support of them by the GTs played in small part in keeping Argyle alive (whether it has turned out to be worth it all is another matter!).

I'd rather the GTs had nothing to do with certain individuals but they are so deeply embedded at the club that the only way that is possible to continue to support the club in anyway is by ignoring them as much as possible. What other option is there?

What I don't like is that the GTs, Nikkk and, recently, the travel club are paying for things that the club ought to be paying for. We are not talking about admin debt and unpaid wages anymore but medical equipment, subsidised fan travel, the Ladies' team and sending the kids overseas to summer tournaments.

At best, I'm thinking summer tournaments and the Ladies' team here, these are community-type projects that Brent should be paying for, when the loans are repaid. So why not pay for them now? This is just responsible owner stuff. Nothing illustrates Brent's "commitment" to Argyle better than his refusal to pay for this.

As does the buying of medical equipment to treat injured players. And we aren't talking a big sum here: £4000. That's chicken feed but Argyle can't afford it. Well if it can't afford the money for that how will it ever afford summer tournaments, Ladies' football, Disability teams or youth development?

Finally there was the free travel to away games. It was a very welcome gesture and, no doubt, popular to those happy to sign up to it. But it was paid for by Nikkk. Not Brent. Another own goal by a club which can actually do the right thing and still end up looking like a half-assed, Mickey Mouse organisation when doing it.

I'm sure the retort will be along the lines of "once we have paid off the admin debt we can afford to pay off the GTs". Which means no money for "Youth Development programme, the Argyle Ladies and Argyle Disability teams as well as a number of local community projects" for another 3 years at least and an investment programme planned over an unspecified time period when/if it starts that will be returning an ever-growing sum of money.

And if/when Brent sells up and moves on there's a moral dilemma/blackmail built into the club ready and waiting for the new owner about how to settle this debt.

These are the problems associated with the GTs that matter and the ultimate responsibility for none of them ends up with the GTs.

Greenjock wrote:

I'm just saying I couldn't really care less about the ladies team. If they are to keep rattling the bucket I would rather it wasn't for an associated side that really is feck all to do with the men's team.

Damon I don't doubt that the GT'S have raised an exceptional amount of money I just don't think we should be relying on handouts anymore. Brent's been owner for two years now and the club is just as amateurish as it was whilst in administration and reliant on fund raising. The latest one was medical equipment supplied by a supporters branch. Wtf is that about? Brent's schemes are popping up all over Plymouth and set to make him a nice profit and a supporters club is paying for vital equipment that should be there as standard.

The big society 2013 where the volunteers outnumber staff and the busiest part of the ground is the directors box!

Agree with all of that Jocko.

If the GT's feel it is their duty to prop up Brents regime, then at least channel it towards something that might make a difference on the pitch. The ladies team either winning the league by 50 points or finishing bottom with zero points is going to have absolutely no bearing at all on the Plymouth Argyle we all have the misfortune to follow.

As bad as the medical equipment was the 50:50 being asked for around £8,000 for floodlight upkeep ffs.

Greenjock wrote:

I'm just saying I couldn't really care less about the ladies team. If they are to keep rattling the bucket I would rather it wasn't for an associated side that really is feck all to do with the men's team.

Equal opportunity PC-gone-mad-stuff, innit.

Because for the various grants the club gets from the FA/FL etc Argyle must provide a service to both boys and girls teams. At least this is true at local league amateur level.

And how can Argyle ever claim to be a "Community club" if it doesn't do these things?

I suspect their existence royally pisses Brent off much more than you because there's no bottom line in them for him at all.

Isn't this Brent's aim though, to make the Club independent and fan run?

As far as I am aware the only clubs that are run like this are in the Conference and below.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

As bad as the medical equipment was the 50:50 being asked for around £8,000 for floodlight upkeep ffs.

That probably helps explain why the team is non league standard, when off the pitch they are non league rubbish propped up by charity! there is no doubt about it, under brent we will soon be officialy non league.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

As bad as the medical equipment was the 50:50 being asked for around £8,000 for floodlight upkeep ffs.

I didn't know about that but it is yet more Responsible Owner stuff.

And yet another disgrace.

Is there any Supporters' Club that hasn't been plundered for its members dosh yet? If there is it must be next in line.

Have to have a difference of opinion Jock and Czar - it's Brent/s club. Brent has to pay for it and if he continues to treat it as the poor relation to the property development he will be judged by Argyle fans on that. The Ladies and Disability teams have always been part of the football in the community programme. Assisting the goid work that these people do in the name of Argyle only strengthens ties with parts of the City who may not otherwise have any dealings with the club.

The Youth Dept however is another story. Expecting GT charity to pay for the lads to go to the Milk Cup is indicitive of the lack of investment in football. Just how quick would JB grab the cash if one of those kids was wanted by one of the bigger clubs. The first team and the youth team desperately beed investment. Unfortunately the iwners priorities are not on the football field.

The opinions expressed here are personal opinions. Although these opinions are expressed by me in PASB discussions they are not official opinions of the PASB.

Sorry to say no more 50-50 from my family

Thinking on a bit about this one "50" was for prizes, "50" for the club has always been the deal.

Why shouldn't the club's "50" be spent on floodlights?

And why would the 50/50 hold such a large sum of cash?

Would people on this thread rather, when the club is ready to pay back the GTs, the Taverners were to say 'nah, don't worry just go and spend it on a striker and a winger' ?

That isn't me being snide btw, just wondering. Would people sooner have that than it be invested into community projects?

If I honestly thought Brent would use it for two decent players then I would, but that won't happen while I've got a hole in my ass.

When the GT'S money is paid back it'll probably be used to fund the next milk cup tour or for a piece of vital medical equipment.

You know the kind of stuff other owners pay for themselves.

GreenSam wrote:

Would people on this thread rather, when the club is ready to pay back the GTs, the Taverners were to say 'nah, don't worry just go and spend it on a striker and a winger' ?

That isn't me being snide btw, just wondering. Would people sooner have that than it be invested into community projects?

Considering it is the 'fans' who are going to supply the money for Brent to pay back the GT's, I would say they would welcome the idea. At least they would get something out of the deal?

As it is, It's absolute madness. The fans give money to the GT's who give it to Brent. Then the fans pay again, giving money to Brent to repay the GT's.

GreenSam wrote:

Would people on this thread rather, when the club is ready to pay back the GTs, the Taverners were to say 'nah, don't worry just go and spend it on a striker and a winger' ?

That isn't me being snide btw, just wondering. Would people sooner have that than it be invested into community projects?

I don't think we'll ever see that money paid in any shape or form so new player(s)/community facilities is a choice that will never need to be made.

Brent will be long gone once either the building is done or the project is abandoned, a new owner won't be interested in paying Brent's debts and I don't suppose the GTs will exert much pressure by asking the club for it.

The Inland Revenue people will certainly exert a little pressure to get their share though...

I think the PASB should ask the GT's how much they have 'given' to Brent so the fans can start saving for the tax liability now.

When the Windsor Boys had looked Brent in the eye and he had seen how they could be used if he offered them the keys to the sweet shop, the future of PAFC as a lower league at best football club was decided.

I remember well the nool stating proudly, 'There will be no walleted directors'. Where's Webby announced, 'We have the chance to build our club'. Of course, what they meant was, 'We have the run of the club and things will be done our way'.

The bucket rattling/auctions/fanfests are all part of the supposed 'run by fans' club. Unfortunately, the chosen front men are devious, self promoting bullies. The arrival of Nikk has put another slant on a possible post brent Argyle.

I really think the club is up Aviva Street without a jester's hat, if things don't change.

Not forgetting Peter Jones, what a hypocritical money whore of a man that rodent has turned out to be!

GOB wrote:

Not forgetting Peter Jones, what a hypocritical money whore of a man that rodent has turned out to be!

Always reminds me of Elton John