Heaney

For the last time, BRENT IS NOT A PROPERTY DEVELOPER!

And pigs fly if you kick em hard enough

Flat_Track_Bully wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

I've already stated where the money for running the club would've came from, season ticket money plus £1.6m from PCC, circa £4m.  Is that not enough?
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Clearly not seeing as James Brent has lent the club money to cover ongoing losses. The money from the PCC went straight on paying off some of the football creditor debts I think. We'd be in an even worse state than Brent's 'competitive budget' with Heaney.

FTB are you a complete idiot? You seem to think that Brent and PAFC are totally separate entities.

Brent is the sole owner of PAFC-if his business losses money, he has to cover the losses, it's not some charitable donation.

If The Range was losing money, nobody would say "Chris Dawson has lent The Range money to cover ongoing losses" Brent & PAFC are no different.

If JB doesn't want to support a loss making football team, he has two choices-run it better so it makes a profit, or sell up & F**K off.

As for Heaney/BIL didn't the Pasoti hordes get turned against them because they wanted to build hotels etc. in Central Park- that would absolutely terrible was the view from the Brent Fan Club at the time

Czarcasm wrote:

It's all a bit of daze really now, thinking back. But how on earth did Heaney manage to actually become preferred bidder? For him to have been selected, there must have been guarantees of funding coming from somewhere or someone, surely? Guilfoyle and Co would have had to base their preference on something more than a letter from Heaneys mum, or suchlike?

Who was Heaneys backer? Did it ever come out officially?

Not as far as I know. It's possible it might shine a light on the whole affair if it did.

People have pointed out the slew of connections in this whole affair;  Ridsdale-Brent-Citigroup, Ridsdale-Guilfoyle, Ridsdale-Heaney etc. but no-one knows who Heaney was connected to. Heaney is/was a property developer, involved in football, who was once in the Sunday Times Rich List. Is it not possible that he would have crossed paths with Brent or people connected to him in the past? After all Plymouth is not THAT big.

There are too many odd coincidences if you ask me - take the infamous Riddler "walking holiday" excuse  - and as has been mentioned, the so-called stroke of luck that saw Duke Arslikhan bump into Heaney in a public place, apparently caught red-handed with controversial plans clearly visible for all the world to see.

Look how the whole process started and how it ended. Brent and Ridsdale reportedly wanted the club from the very beginning, but even though the BBC reported that at least one other bidder complained that they had been frozen out in favour of the dynamic duo by Brenda, Brent didn't want to pay for preferred bidder status or buy the ground and so said "I'm out". Heaney then fetched up and by receiving preferred bidder status, deterred other potential bidders current and future - except Brent, who remained in the picture even commenting unfavourably about the Heaney bid in the Herald once or twice. Why? What did he care about the credibility of the bid if he didn't really want the club at all but was there as a last resort "White Knight" as he so modestly called himself?

Heaney, the mysterious BIL and Brenda then strung everyone along for months, never paying a bean and therefore making all involved more and more desperate for any port in a storm - and as we know, desperate people are often easy marks. At the 11th hour when everyone is running on fumes and are getting to the stage where they would sell their children for a solution, the BIL deal collapses and Brent steps in getting everything he wanted, but which looked impossible in the beginning - for example PCC buying the ground, which they had been adamant they wouldn't do.

As I said at the time, it's as if Brent threw a pack of cards in the air and they all fell down in the shape of a house.

Of course this could all be hinting at a nutty conspiracy theory of the "Jews knew all about 9/11 beforehand" variety, but that's inevitable when there are so many odd coincidences and unanswered questions.

Wasn't Heaney's backer a Japanese fella called Koichiro Abe (an associate of Kagami)? Think they fell out during the exclusivity period so payment never happened?

In slightly different news, I've heard a rumour that Argyle have recently had some sort of audit and questions have been asked about the Youth Trust £300k loan (to the pre-administration board) and where the money went? (with not a lot of the questions being answered)

Has anyone got a link to the famous "Brent is not a property developer" thread?

Pokesdown wrote:

Has anyone got a link to the famous "Brent is not a property developer" thread?

I think it's called "This man, this...property developer" or something, though I could be wrong.

Chemical Ali wrote:

Wasn't Heaney's backer a Japanese fella called Koichiro Abe (an associate of Kagami)? Think they fell out during the exclusivity period so payment never happened?...

I thought BIL was a consortium?

jabba the gut ecfc wrote:

Pokesdown wrote:

Has anyone got a link to the famous "Brent is not a property developer" thread?

I think it's called "This man, this...property developer"  or something, though I could be wrong.

That thread will have been quietly consigned to the recycle bin ages ago

Here is the thread- which they renamed-

NOT a property developer LINK

and the post-

Nool wrote:

I've read so much crap about him over the last few weeks, that I've wanted to post, even though I've put myself into self imposed posting exile, but I feel I must speak out on his behalf.

1) All he cares about is land and building development?? - Right then, a couple of weeks ago, JB, Chris and his son and I drove the 616 mile round trip to Accrington Stanley. We talked about everything, family, kids, holidays, polictics and football, them some more football and then even more football. We never once talked of the new Grandstand or the Ice Rink or anything else to do with Home Park. So, why would this man, who is 'only in it for the money', sit in a car, for almost 9 hours, with three Janner Argyle fans? Have a guess, go on, I dare you!

2) When we drew against Oxford last year, I looked straight at JB, his bottom lip buckled. Why, what did that have to do with land devolopment?

3) His children come to PAFC for enjoyment, on quite a few occasions they go to away matches. Why, he's only in it for the land.

4) His son, is weaning himself off rugby (thank the lord), he's now into football, and enjoys it as much as any of us. What a shame, his Dad is only it for land developement.

5) His eldest daughter is now a very astute observer of the game, and often argues with me regarding my opinions on games, and she has truly taken PAFC to her heart. Why, her Dad is only in it for land devopment.

6) His second youngest had a Birthday pressie of a framed Jake Cole shirt, as she thinks Jake 'is a fab goalie' - What a shame her Dad is only in for Land Development.

7) When I once took the mick out of the 'level of teams' (my bad, I know ), JB, the Land Developer said to me 'Mr Newell, if we win the next 60 games, we might have earned the right to play Stevenage Borough.

8 ) When the final whistle went against Burton Albion, the land developing Mr Brent, walked staright out of the Directors Box, swearing his head off, in true football fan mode, I wonder how losing to Burton Albion affected his land development deal?

9) Knowing JB as I do, he would have not slept lightly the night before the Bristol Rovers game, he likes people, he likes Carl, he liked his professionalism and his dedication to the job. Although listening to some of the people on here, they would say that he wouldn't have missed a wink of sleep, because he's only in it for the land development.

I came off this site for many reasons, one of them being, I am very close to the 'action' and I see people who are mentioned on here, and I find it very difficult not to 'bite', but I am learning that skill. But reading some of the horrendous stuff on Pasoti, about JB, makes me so glad I took that decision.

He's made mistakes, of course he has, most normal people do, and yet the venom that has been chucked his way over the last month has disgusted a lot of decent fans, and has shocked me, and I thought I had seen most things on this website (some of them, thankfully, most of you never ever saw).

All this crap about land development is so far wide of the mark it beggars belief, it really does. This land developer is going to Port Vale on Saturday, I wonder why, perhaps the price of cement is cheaper up there (being the Potteries and all that) or do you think there could be another reason?

For all my 'fans' out there, who will lock on this post, and do it death for months and months, I leave you with this thought!



By the way, I've never liked the term 'poodle' I much prefer 'Rottweiler'.

Ian

jabba the gut ecfc wrote:

Chemical Ali wrote:

Wasn't Heaney's backer a Japanese fella called Koichiro Abe (an associate of Kagami)? Think they fell out during the exclusivity period so payment never happened?...

I thought BIL was a consortium?

Yes BIL were the consortium behind him, but I think (from memory) Abe was providing most of the funding for BIL.

When we drew against Oxford last year, I looked straight at JB, his bottom lip buckled

I believe having Nool gawp at them could bring most people close to tears

Freathy wrote:

Heaney or Buttivant would have been FAR better options than this tw@t

I am beginning to believe that now.....

Was there ever many details about Buttivant's bid or did it never get that far ?

FY 310 wrote:

Was there ever many details about Buttivant's bid or did it never get that far ?

It never got that far because the brothers grim created a smear campaign purely on the evidence that Buttivant was once a Tory MP.
Pathetic

and 2faced dropped it because he was offered a job as a mod and a very special manager mod, with benefits...allegedly.

where is heaney now ?

read somewhere specualtion that he was used to get brent the chepaest deal by wanting the club but not having the funds allowing brent to pay less or at least tip the scales so P&A had to beg him to take it.

Chemical Ali wrote:

Here is the thread- which they renamed-

NOT a property developer LINK

and the post-

Nool wrote:

I've read so much crap about him over the last few weeks, that I've wanted to post, even though I've put myself into self imposed posting exile, but I feel I must speak out on his behalf.

1) All he cares about is land and building development?? - Right then, a couple of weeks ago, JB, Chris and his son and I drove the 616 mile round trip to Accrington Stanley. We talked about everything, family, kids, holidays, polictics and football, them some more football and then even more football. We never once talked of the new Grandstand or the Ice Rink or anything else to do with Home Park. So, why would this man, who is 'only in it for the money', sit in a car, for almost 9 hours, with three Janner Argyle fans? Have a guess, go on, I dare you!

2) When we drew against Oxford last year, I looked straight at JB, his bottom lip buckled. Why, what did that have to do with land devolopment?

3) His children come to PAFC for enjoyment, on quite a few occasions they go to away matches. Why, he's only in it for the land.

4) His son, is weaning himself off rugby (thank the lord), he's now into football, and enjoys it as much as any of us. What a shame, his Dad is only it for land developement.

5) His eldest daughter is now a very astute observer of the game, and often argues with me regarding my opinions on games, and she has truly taken PAFC to her heart. Why, her Dad is only in it for land devopment.

6) His second youngest had a Birthday pressie of a framed Jake Cole shirt, as she thinks Jake 'is a fab goalie' - What a shame her Dad is only in for Land Development.

7) When I once took the mick out of the 'level of teams' (my bad, I know ), JB, the Land Developer said to me 'Mr Newell, if we win the next 60 games, we might have earned the right to play Stevenage Borough.

8 ) When the final whistle went against Burton Albion, the land developing Mr Brent, walked staright out of the Directors Box, swearing his head off, in true football fan mode, I wonder how losing to Burton Albion affected his land development deal?

9) Knowing JB as I do, he would have not slept lightly the night before the Bristol Rovers game, he likes people, he likes Carl, he liked his professionalism and his dedication to the job. Although listening to some of the people on here, they would say that he wouldn't have missed a wink of sleep, because he's only in it for the land development.

I came off this site for many reasons, one of them being, I am very close to the 'action' and I see people who are mentioned on here, and I find it very difficult not to 'bite', but I am learning that skill. But reading some of the horrendous stuff on Pasoti, about JB, makes me so glad I took that decision.

He's made mistakes, of course he has, most normal people do, and yet the venom that has been chucked his way over the last month has disgusted a lot of decent fans, and has shocked me, and I thought I had seen most things on this website (some of them, thankfully, most of you never ever saw).

All this crap about land development is so far wide of the mark it beggars belief, it really does. This land developer is going to Port Vale on Saturday, I wonder why, perhaps the price of cement is cheaper up there (being the Potteries and all that) or do you think there could be another reason?

For all my 'fans' out there, who will lock on this post, and do it death for months and months, I leave you with this thought!



By the way, I've never liked the term 'poodle' I much prefer 'Rottweiler'.

Ian

I'd not seen that before (obv heard about it).

The man is clearly an idiot

I've a question, If brent sold the club, where would a new owner stand with the devolpments brent wants to put in, the hotel etc, would the new ower only own the club and rent the the stadium ?

Davidfriio4 wrote:

I've a question, If brent sold the club, where would a new owner stand with the devolpments brent wants to put in, the hotel etc, would the new ower only  own the club and rent the the stadium ?

Brent would continue to own the land that he owns on HHP (unless he sold that separately which he won't do) and the new owner would own only the club which would now have (oddly enough) no assets and would continue to lease the stadium from PCC.

Anyone think that reading between the lines, we've been stitched up good and proper - time to start making that list!! 

There's a wild lot of bollocks on this thread.

The general consensus while the club was in administration was that, of the three options that the overwhelming majority of the fanbase recognised (the fourth - starting again as a fan-owned phoenix club - was not considered desirable by virtually everyone), the Brent option was the best (or the least worst, choose which you please).

Even accounting for the pedestrian, amateur "progress" made during Brent's ownership, I can't believe that anyone is seriously saying the club would be in safer hands if either of the other two bids had come to fruition.

The first came from Heaney: a bankrupt. 'Nuff said.

The second from Paul Buttivant who was virtually ran out of Wrexham for "announcing he was going to develop the ground for the benefit of the club, going on record saying clubs need to develop their spare land for revenue, and thats the way football is these days".

...which is exactly what some are castigating Brent for, so what's your problem? Better the devil you know and all that.

Brent is an efficient businessman who has done a good job on the things his portfolio cares about and kept the lights turned on at the part of the business he has to own to make the rest go smoothly. In an archaic system, he's doing what owners of clubs have always done: try and make the most progress with the least money.

I would argue with the efficient claim Gareth, best of a bad bunch I could swallow but are you seriously saying that he is and has been a good owner?

Iggy wrote:

I would argue with the efficient claim Gareth, best of a bad bunch I could swallow but are you seriously saying that he is and has been a good owner?

I agree. He's the best for the club out of the options of him, Buttivant or Heaney but still not good. However, I don't think Gareth was saying he was.

There's always a tendency to say 'the other guy can't be any worse'. The last five years should have taught us that it can always get worse. Always.

Seems like Brent has us over a barrel then hope he doesn't get bored too soon.