Last season as a league club

This is it. It's as good as over for Argyle. Business end of the season is almost here and we're way adrift at the bottom. Just like last season, we've been bottom all season and there is absolutely no sign of anything improving. Anyone who thinks the BSP is 'L3' or 'Div 5' had better think on. Among other things, after a few yeas of non-league oblivion only the dwindling and ageing small band of 'superfans' will know or care anything about the club. The club will be largely forgotten about even in its own city. This is why relegation to non-league will be such a catastrophic blow we may as well have gone out of business. It will take a great many years to get back to where we are now, if we ever do.

In 15 games time on 25/2/12 we play Dag & Red, and between now and then we've got Bradford, Barnet, Hereford and Northants, who all seem to be in the relegation fight with us.

Unless something drastic happens NOW on the manager/coaching staff/player fronts you just can't see us picking up more than a handful of points from both the above games and our other games against the likes of the mighty Aldershot and Burton.

Come 25 February, we could have slipped through the trapdoor.

Tick. Tock.

Freathy wrote:

This is it. It's as good as over for Argyle. Business end of the season is almost here and we're way adrift at the bottom. Just like last season, we've been bottom all season and there is absolutely no sign of anything improving. Anyone who thinks the BSP is 'L3' or 'Div 5' had better think on. Among other things, after a few yeas of non-league oblivion only the dwindling and ageing small band of 'superfans' will know or care anything about the club. The club will be largely forgotten about even in its own city. This is why relegation to non-league will be such a catastrophic blow we may as well have gone out of business. It will take a great many years to get back to where we are now, if we ever do.

I couldn't agree more Freathy, and was one who was always of the opinion that this club needed to go properly bust in April, before the staff were encouraged to make a very big mistake, and rely on it's 'huge city' status and come back next season as a new club, probably within the league Truro are in at the moment, with no debts to ex gamblers, and no owners looking for something else rather than the football.
What we needed in this administration was a night of the long knives. what we got was a halfway house, where Ridsdale managed to satisfy the ex owners, he got a plumb job far better than being unemployed, and a back of the grandstand culture that still has the same protagonists stiffling any real new momentum in favour of a nice seat behind glass, most with a pint in their hand and suffering from yet another jolly good meal.

THIS ONGOING HANGOVER WE ARE SUFFERING FROM IS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE PRICE TO BE PAID FOR RESCUING A FEW MILLION OF LOST MONEY FOR THE PREVIOUS OWNERS, AND THAT AT THE EXPENSE OF 6 MONTHS UNPAID WORK BY EMPLOYEES ... NO OTHER REASON..CHEERS PETE, YOU'RE A GEM, A REAL GENT

Nick wrote:

In 15 games time on 25/2/12 we play Dag & Red, and between now and then we've got Bradford, Barnet, Hereford and Northants, who all seem to be in the relegation fight with us.

Unless something drastic happens NOW on the manager/coaching staff/player fronts you just can't see us picking up more than a handful of points from both the above games and our other games against the likes of the mighty Aldershot and Burton.

Come 25 February, we could have slipped through the trapdoor.

Tick. Tock.

Thats my prediction... February adios League football, pathetic, only a team Like Argyle could achieve a dubious honor like this.
Theres no statto on this forum but i do believe this could be a record

I just can't see how we'll win games for the remainder of the season. People are talking about how with 2 or 3 new players we'll have enough to avoid relegation in L2. That may well be the case if they were given the whole season, but we're already 5 points behind so we don't actually need a squad capable of avoiding relegation, we almost need one capable of playoff form already.

punchdrunk wrote:

Nick wrote:

In 15 games time on 25/2/12 we play Dag & Red, and between now and then we've got Bradford, Barnet, Hereford and Northants, who all seem to be in the relegation fight with us.

Unless something drastic happens NOW on the manager/coaching staff/player fronts you just can't see us picking up more than a handful of points from both the above games and our other games against the likes of the mighty Aldershot and Burton.

Come 25 February, we could have slipped through the trapdoor.

Tick. Tock.

Thats my prediction... February adios League football, pathetic, only a team Like Argyle could achieve a dubious honor like this.
Theres no statto on this forum but i do believe this could be a record

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here we are then, Brizzle the only team to be relegated 3 seasons running

You only have to listen to Fletch speak, to realise he hasn't 'got it'. Hesitant, downbeat, uninspiring.

FFS !

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It's the complete lack of urgency about our predicement which is so baffling. We've only got 3 months to save the club (it'll be too late by March). There's not a lot we can do about the shit players until January although I still think we can bring in a couple more loans (?) but we can do something about the 'manager'. And that needs to be done NOW! Although I suspect the message brent is getting from ridsdale and the aviva superfan leadership is "fletch bleeds green and should be given a chance". In which case we're f***ed.

But these people don't seem to undersand what relegation out the FL means. The younger avivas who are being influenced by their superfan leadership seem to think it's not a big deal. But when they're sat in front of the TV saturday night watching the FLS and the final goals of the evening are Accrington Stanley v Morcambe, they'll say "what about Argyle's goals?". Non-league means no TV money, no FA Cup runs, no league Cup runs (currently all FA Cup and LC goals are televised). And there's only one automatic promotion place back into the FL. Next season when we're only hovering above the BSP relegation zone and lower mid table is the most we can hope for, what is the point in fans going? Apart from the small group of ageing superfans who will want to watch teams no-one has heard of in pointless matches?? Gates will drop down to 2k TOPS which obviously will be devestating financially. Brent's wallet will remain firmly shut as he's already said he's not interested in the playing side. The downward spiral will continue and who kows how far we will sink. In fact administration and liquidiation will get us before we're relegated for a fourth time. Relegation out of the football league is the end of the club.

Freathy wrote:

It's the complete lack of urgency about our predicement which is so baffling. We've only got 3 months to save the club (it'll be too late by March). There's not a lot we can do about the shit players until January although I still think we can bring in a couple more loans (?) but we can do something about the 'manager'. And that needs to be done NOW! Although I suspect the message brent is getting from ridsdale and the aviva superfan leadership is "fletch bleeds green and should be given a chance". In which case we're f***ed.

But these people don't seem to undersand what relegation out the FL means. The younger avivas who are being influenced by their superfan leadership seem to think it's not a big deal. But when they're sat in front of the TV saturday night watching the FLS and the final goals of the evening are Accrington Stanley v Morcambe, they'll say "what about Argyle's goals?". Non-league means no TV money, no FA Cup runs, no league Cup runs (currently all FA Cup and LC goals are televised). And there's only one automatic promotion place back into the FL. Next season when we're only hovering above the BSP relegation zone and lower mid table is the most we can hope for, what is the point in fans going? Apart from the small group of ageing superfans who will want to watch teams no-one has heard of in pointless matches?? Gates will drop down to 2k TOPS which obviously will be devestating financially. Brent's wallet will remain firmly shut as he's already said he's not interested in the playing side. The downward spiral will continue and who kows how far we will sink. In fact administration and liquidiation will get us before we're relegated for a fourth time. Relegation out of the football league is the end of the club.

Those retards on Pasoti are still trying pathetically to re write history.

We DID NOT encourage Stapleton to spend, spend, spend. We said he should actively seek investment, or better still, sell up during the Pulis/ Holloway years.

By the time he allowed Sturrock to hand out silly money to mediocre players, we were in terminal decline.

Why do these people continue to lie ?

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Thing is they still hold a torch for their messiah. They have to believe it was us nasty unbelievers in *****wallet that made him cry and open his wallet. The facts staring them in the face are ignored. If we did tell them we only wanted ****wallet to seek investment they probably class as investment selling off Ian Holloway's team to fatten the accounts to sell inflated priced shares to the Japs. Sadly we couldn't make these people see sense when it was happening and we can't make them see it now. Avivas to the bitter end.

False memory syndrome on Pasoti again.
I certainly didn't encourage Stapes to spend, spend, spend on unaffordable contracts, and in fact was hugely disappointed that Sturrock got around the one player out, one player in restriction when it was obvious the club was sinking.

But what I did expect was for us to 'go for it' when we had a chance, either by proper investment or short term loans at the business end of the aborted Holloway season.
All we got were player sales OUT and Russell bleddy Anderson IN who was no better than Seip and caused a huge ruck, and then the ex Wigan blonde winger ... Hull got it right when their wave came, and spent big, but for a short time in the loan market, on real 'difference makers' up front. We didn't go for it.
I see no reason whatsoever why any club shouldn't push the boat out for a quick spurt, and I would urge Brent to do something similar in L2 terms .. a one off half a million extra should do it at the bottom end of L2... he's saved much more than that by not buying the club in May.
I suppose our 'next investment' will be the Fanfester bunch under Ridsdale trying to get some fan investment scheme up and running on Pasoti .... that will be a hoot.

Mind you, that could take an age, as this new regime ain't the fastest moving bunch, and it's a good job Webby's rather silly "2 weeks to save the club" was always a myth. They haven't even got their boardroom squabbles and the rush for other newly created chairs sorted yet. I can't remember a new owner being so slow in forming the structure ... shame he didn't have months and months of contingency planning time.

Freathy wrote:

Relegation out of the football league is the end of the club.

Dont get me wrong I would hate it to happen, but it need not be the end. Exeter and Torquay survived it and there are quite a lot of old friends down there. Luton. Mansfield, Wrexham, Newport, York, Stockport, Grimsby to mention a few. BSP clubs come into the FA cup at the fourth round qualifying so there is only one extra match to lose to be where we are now. If we do get through we could be Giantkillers against the likes of Bournemouth and Yeovil. Oh goody

Freathy wrote:

This is it. It's as good as over for Argyle. Business end of the season is almost here and we're way adrift at the bottom. Just like last season, we've been bottom all season and there is absolutely no sign of anything improving. Anyone who thinks the BSP is 'L3' or 'Div 5' had better think on. Among other things, after a few yeas of non-league oblivion only the dwindling and ageing small band of 'superfans' will know or care anything about the club. The club will be largely forgotten about even in its own city. This is why relegation to non-league will be such a catastrophic blow we may as well have gone out of business. It will take a great many years to get back to where we are now, if we ever do.

Sorry, you've totally missed the point. It doesn't matter where we end up, there will still be a club to support.

Have you learned nothing?

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Freathy wrote:

This is it. It's as good as over for Argyle. Business end of the season is almost here and we're way adrift at the bottom. Just like last season, we've been bottom all season and there is absolutely no sign of anything improving. Anyone who thinks the BSP is 'L3' or 'Div 5' had better think on. Among other things, after a few yeas of non-league oblivion only the dwindling and ageing small band of 'superfans' will know or care anything about the club. The club will be largely forgotten about even in its own city. This is why relegation to non-league will be such a catastrophic blow we may as well have gone out of business. It will take a great many years to get back to where we are now, if we ever do.

Sorry, you've totally missed the point. It doesn't matter where we end up, there will still be a club to support.

Have you learned nothing?

Yeah............... troll !