The Soldier's Murder in Woolwich/Racism debate

Sufferedsince68 wrote:

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

lets get sometthing clear from the off

not every muslim man/woman is a terrorist or likes cat stevens
not every white man/woman is a racist and supports the bnp
not every jewish man/woman is an accountant and supports spurs
not every black man/woman is a drug dealer and likes rap music
not every asisan is good at it and has a small penis

they are called stereotypes so to try and label a whole group of people like the knuckle draggers are doing right now with Muslims is wrong and inaccurate.

These attackers are fanatics who are homegrown (if you have seen the itv video its clear one at least is) whilst there is a section of islam that manipulates the quran it appears the people brainwashing indivduals are the ones to target not the religion itself. All religions have fanatics sadly, the world would be better off without religion.

i dont think i've seen any knuckle dragging on this thread angry, just reasoned debate from the atd electorate.

i wasn't referring solely to here SS68 i was commenting on the social media commentators who are writing some tasty stuff that at any other time would land them in court for threatening behavior and racism.

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

Sufferedsince68 wrote:

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

lets get sometthing clear from the off

not every muslim man/woman is a terrorist or likes cat stevens
not every white man/woman is a racist and supports the bnp
not every jewish man/woman is an accountant and supports spurs
not every black man/woman is a drug dealer and likes rap music
not every asisan is good at it and has a small penis

they are called stereotypes so to try and label a whole group of people like the knuckle draggers are doing right now with Muslims is wrong and inaccurate.

These attackers are fanatics who are homegrown (if you have seen the itv video its clear one at least is) whilst there is a section of islam that manipulates the quran it appears the people brainwashing indivduals are the ones to target not the religion itself. All religions have fanatics sadly, the world would be better off without religion.

i dont think i've seen any knuckle dragging on this thread angry, just reasoned debate from the atd electorate.

i wasn't referring solely to here SS68 i was commenting on the social media commentators who are writing some tasty stuff that at any other time would land them in court for threatening behavior and racism.

Extremists are bitter twisted people angry, who knows why they do what they do its senseless murder nothing else, some of the commentators just fan the flames i'm with you on that.

It's about scaring people who watch the news. It's about making Cameron fly home from France. It's about putting our forces on alert. It's about making people afraid of each other, making us more suspicious, making our way of life change. It's not about religion. It's not about ethnicity. It's about Terrorism and it comes from both individuals with knives and bombs who commit these acts and it comes from Governments sending armies in uniforms to kill people overseas and it comes from Governments persecuting and alienating non-white, non-middle class people in our country.

It's so depressing.

This is the first I have heard about this, the world has some sick bastards in it.

Person Of Interest wrote:

Sadly, the 'let's shoot all Muslims' brigade will be rubbing their hands on this sad, sad day. However, Like I had to explain to my dear old mum, and perhaps Red Star as well,

Mum, I said, not all Muslims are terrorists, not all young black men are muggers and gang-bangers, and not all priests are peado's and not all people with the surname of Newell are cnuts.

Not making excuses for anything that happened today, that was absolutely shocking, and I'm more than aware that feelings are running extremely high, but I feel things need to be put into context.

For the radicalist element of Islam, Indeed, they should be taken out. We need to spend a stronger message instead of one of tolerance and offering out our hand to these cnuts. Arm the police, arm them now and shoot them on site without fear of criminal proceedings being instigated against the police/MI5/SAS/Army marksmen.

Mate, I did mean the radicalist element not all Muslims however emotions are raw.

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

Sufferedsince68 wrote:

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

lets get sometthing clear from the off

not every muslim man/woman is a terrorist or likes cat stevens
not every white man/woman is a racist and supports the bnp
not every jewish man/woman is an accountant and supports spurs
not every black man/woman is a drug dealer and likes rap music
not every asisan is good at it and has a small penis

they are called stereotypes so to try and label a whole group of people like the knuckle draggers are doing right now with Muslims is wrong and inaccurate.

These attackers are fanatics who are homegrown (if you have seen the itv video its clear one at least is) whilst there is a section of islam that manipulates the quran it appears the people brainwashing indivduals are the ones to target not the religion itself. All religions have fanatics sadly, the world would be better off without religion.

i dont think i've seen any knuckle dragging on this thread angry, just reasoned debate from the atd electorate.

i wasn't referring solely to here SS68 i was commenting on the social media commentators who are writing some tasty stuff that at any other time would land them in court for threatening behavior and racism.

To be fair Facebook and Twatter has always attracted morons of the highest order,some of the abuse i received on that infamous Argyle F/B site for airing my views on Brent bordered on threatening behavior. But back on topic religion/Islam aside i expect the law will deal out the stiffest sentences possible.
Personally i would like those 2 Sub-Humans to be publicly hung from the highest tree by their gonads, followed by being locked in a room for an hour with the dead Squaddies mates.

Something has to change in this world and it has to happen pretty quick because when you see this sort of thing happening in London and riots in places like Stockholm then you know the bubble can't last much longer before it pops.

The Red Star wrote:

Person Of Interest wrote:

Sadly, the 'let's shoot all Muslims' brigade will be rubbing their hands on this sad, sad day. However, Like I had to explain to my dear old mum, and perhaps Red Star as well,

Mum, I said, not all Muslims are terrorists, not all young black men are muggers and gang-bangers, and not all priests are peado's and not all people with the surname of Newell are cnuts.

Not making excuses for anything that happened today, that was absolutely shocking, and I'm more than aware that feelings are running extremely high, but I feel things need to be put into context.

For the radicalist element of Islam, Indeed, they should be taken out. We need to spend a stronger message instead of one of tolerance and offering out our hand to these cnuts. Arm the police, arm them now and shoot them on site without fear of criminal proceedings being instigated against the police/MI5/SAS/Army marksmen.

Mate, I did mean the radicalist element not all Muslims however emotions are raw.

No worries RS, I did re-read your subsequent post and apologies if I tarred you with a broad brush.

There is a regular user of this site who has, by his postings on facebook tonight, proven themselves to be an outright racist. If a Keyholder/Mod whoever wants to know more then I will be happy to show them the evidence. I am sure that the rest of us do not want to share any kind of platform with people like that.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

There is a regular user of this site who has, by his postings on facebook tonight, proven themselves to be an outright racist. If a Keyholder/Mod whoever wants to know more then I will be happy to show them the evidence. I am sure that the rest of us do not want to share any kind of platform with people like that.

Social media at its best.

I've unfriended about thirty people tonight.

Apparently UKIP being voted in would have stopped this. Utterly feckin moronic statements from people I once respected. One of them is a policeman.

I'm more frightened of the EDL than I am of Muslim jihadists.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

There is a regular user of this site who has, by his postings on facebook tonight, proven themselves to be an outright racist. If a Keyholder/Mod whoever wants to know more then I will be happy to show them the evidence. I am sure that the rest of us do not want to share any kind of platform with people like that.

Now that you have brought this to the fore, Damon, and the fact not all of us use FB, and given the vulgar nature of a racist, I think you should name and shame.

I don't see what good that would do other than get people's pitchforks twitching. Giving stuff like that more oxygen is pretty counter-productive.

Person Of Interest wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

There is a regular user of this site who has, by his postings on facebook tonight, proven themselves to be an outright racist. If a Keyholder/Mod whoever wants to know more then I will be happy to show them the evidence. I am sure that the rest of us do not want to share any kind of platform with people like that.

Now that you have brought this to the fore, Damon, and the fact not all of us use FB, and given the vulgar nature of a racist, I think you should name and shame.

I agree. I don't use facebook as I have a telephone to keep in contact with my friends. If this is the case and their messages have been publicly viewed then I would be disappointed in all but a couple on this site.

Happy to share to the mods/keyholders but not putting up on here. It really wont surprise anyone though.

hairy j wrote:

I don't see what good that would do other than get people's pitchforks twitching. Giving stuff like that more oxygen is pretty counter-productive.

I would normally agree Hairy but this site has always prided itself on its reaction to racism. I remember the reaction to the "gypos" chants for example which set itself apart from the other site.

hairy j wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

There is a regular user of this site who has, by his postings on facebook tonight, proven themselves to be an outright racist. If a Keyholder/Mod whoever wants to know more then I will be happy to show them the evidence. I am sure that the rest of us do not want to share any kind of platform with people like that.

Social media at its best.

I've unfriended about thirty people tonight.

Apparently UKIP being voted in would have stopped this. Utterly feckin moronic statements from people I once respected. One of them is a policeman.

I'm more frightened of the EDL than I am of Muslim jihadists.

Really? Its true that the EDL are a bunch of complete muppets however:

how many heads have they chopped off?

how many bombs have they exploded?

If you can Damon, just repeat what they've stated. I'd be semi-interested as perhaps we can counter their statement and educate them. Banning a racist for their views isn't always the best option.

cobi?

punchdrunk wrote:

hairy j wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

There is a regular user of this site who has, by his postings on facebook tonight, proven themselves to be an outright racist. If a Keyholder/Mod whoever wants to know more then I will be happy to show them the evidence. I am sure that the rest of us do not want to share any kind of platform with people like that.

Social media at its best.

I've unfriended about thirty people tonight.

Apparently UKIP being voted in would have stopped this. Utterly feckin moronic statements from people I once respected. One of them is a policeman.

I'm more frightened of the EDL than I am of Muslim jihadists.

Really? Its true that the EDL are a bunch of complete muppets however:

how many heads have they chopped off?

how many bombs have they exploded?

It's what they stand for. It's how seemingly normal people just seem to think they're nice, jolly little Englanders. Ideologies are more frightening than bombs. Ask a Muslim family subjected to EDL violence if they're just muppets.

I think the reaction to this is exactly what a radical would want so it's mission accomplished. They aren't interested in how the people of this country see it they are interested in how it is reacted to and how that reaction will be seen in Islamic countries. The more the us against them theme is emphasised the better.

I find it interesting in a way that people instantly want to hang people in public for crimes yet would probably shout loudest about public executions in Saudi Arabia for example. We have laws and a judicial system for punishment and the day the vigilanties take over then it would be a sorry day all around. None of the political parties will ever put capital punishment to a referendum. It isn't a Tory thing or a Labour thing it covers all of the parties.

Todays news on this is shocking but lets be honest it isn't the first atrocity and it won't be the last. The World is full of them and it isn't only Black or islamists who commit them is it. Many Governments have committed crimes in the name of the population since time began. Iraq and Afghanistan are two for this country most recently. The chances of any of the people responsible being hung in public are zero and doubtlessly no charges will ever be brought either despite the numbers who died because of it.

Right on cue! The wonderful good guys have turned up in Woolwich.

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Ban THE BURKA!!!

It is NOT Cobi. Please do not start listing names.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

It is NOT Cobi. Please do not start listing names.

no worries apologises to bnp cobi if he sees this

Don't think Cobi posts on here anymore.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

It is NOT Cobi. Please do not start listing names.

I agree, no lists.

Was it you Damon?