Supply and Demand...

There is one facet of the capacity argument that hasn't really been talked about from what I have read....

Supply and demand.

Brent is a capitalist and knows full well the equation.
He won't be bothered too much if capacity is reached as he knows it will then allow him to raise ticket prices.

It will mean fewer fans having to pay higher prices... But hey... that's the price of success!

exactly my thoughts.
it will work with success but failt withut success.

Very TRUE. If you google Akerrons business model for food production it follows the same methodology...

It a point worth pursuing. I mentioned it yesterday in relation to Anfield where prices will be going up once a new stand is built. It's a question I think the Trust/PASB should be asking to prices in the new stand. Certain REAL fans will accept any price and expect everyone else to as well as we are getting a free stand after all.

Dougie wrote:

It a point worth pursuing. I mentioned it yesterday in relation to Anfield where prices will be going up once a new stand is built. It's a question I think the Trust/PASB should be asking to prices in the new stand. Certain REAL fans will accept any price and expect everyone else to as well as we are getting a free stand after all.

But it is an approach , doomed to failure. There are only at best 6k addicted supporters. Those others who require ambition to be shown by the club will switch off unless the team is top 6 in the table. No new or potential supporters will be inspired by the boxed in mini stand, down a draughty alleyway.
The superfans will be trying to suck money out of the same dull tent dwellers and bucket rattlers.

It is so predictably sad and frankly, janner.

Meanwhile Brent can complete his real business and disappear without so much as a quiver of the lip.

"Successful football clubs bring in visitors and generate income and they develop supply chains and local services. Plymouth is also recognised nationally in the media because of its football club. People know where the city is."

Not if the stadium's capacity is only 17,000, Jones! A successful Club and a larger stadium WILL generate a larger economy though!

Hypocrite!

Im a little torn on this now, i am really tired of the drab looking grandstand, I agree 20k would be the ideal but how many games hit that target in recent times, i think someone on here (cant be assed to go through the threads, showed it was only 7-10 games over the time we were in the championship that we achieved bigger attendances.

I think 17500 is sufficient for the moment and if we can increase it to 20k even if it is restricted viewing, when or if we get back to the championship then thats not to much of an issue. On the restricted veiw issue, i have been anfield a few times and sat in the bottom row of seats just behind the goal, but still enjoyed myself, and if like its been proven how many times would we need to use these seats anyway.

On the attendance rise that someone posted, with Reading,Hull, and a few others, i dont really see how this can be compared. They all relocated to completely new build stadiums, we are just building a stand!

I have to admit i like the development myself, Homepark will be a nicer place to be, and Central Park will become the hub of Social activities in the city.

Im not tainted, a Brent lover or liking the actual capacity i think it should be bigger, but 17500 seems sufficient at the moment and moving forward hopefully we can get a new owner who is more football based rather than development thirsty to take the club forward.

Tringreen wrote:

Dougie wrote:

It a point worth pursuing. I mentioned it yesterday in relation to Anfield where prices will be going up once a new stand is built. It's a question I think the Trust/PASB should be asking to prices in the new stand. Certain REAL fans will accept any price and expect everyone else to as well as we are getting a free stand after all.

But it is an approach , doomed to failure. There are only at best 6k addicted supporters. Those others who require ambition to be shown by the club will switch off unless the team is top 6 in the table. No new or potential supporters will be inspired by the boxed in mini stand, down a draughty alleyway.
The superfans will be trying to suck money out of the same dull tent dwellers and bucket rattlers.

It is so predictably sad and frankly, janner.

Meanwhile Brent can complete his real business and disappear without so much as a quiver of the lip.

But thats always been the way with Plymouth supporters and always will be, all you have to do is look at our first year aberage attendance in the Championship, then look at our third year average, better players, like SEB,Halmosi,Norris,Nalis,and many more, but the attendances dropped hugely despite a charismatic manager and the team pushing further up the league.

Nothing to do with the stadium,team, or manager. Plymouth IS NOT a footballing city, never will be 260,00 population and less than 4% go and support the club, also we are one of the lowest earning City's with a high cost of living.

I will also add i think we are also the very few city's or towns, that have a Saturday Youth league (DJM), this affects attendances hugely aswell.

Supply and demand, thing is when prices go up demand falls. We Janners are no mugs

125+1 wrote:

Im a little torn on this now, i am really tired of the drab looking grandstand, I agree 20k would be the ideal but how many games hit that target in recent times, i think someone on here (cant be assed to go through the threads, showed it was only 7-10 games over the time we were in the championship that we achieved bigger attendances.

I think 17500 is sufficient for the moment and if we can increase it to 20k even if it is restricted viewing, when or if we get back to the championship then thats not to much of an issue. On the restricted veiw issue, i have been anfield a few times and sat in the bottom row of seats just behind the goal, but still enjoyed myself, and if like its been proven how many times would we need to use these seats anyway.

On the attendance rise that someone posted, with Reading,Hull, and a few others, i dont really see how this can be compared. They all relocated to completely new build stadiums, we are just building a stand!

I have to admit i like the development myself, Homepark will be a nicer place to be, and Central Park will become the hub of Social activities in the city.

Im not tainted, a Brent lover or liking the actual capacity i think it should be bigger, but 17500 seems sufficient at the moment and moving forward hopefully we can get a new owner who is more football based rather than development thirsty to take the club forward.

That's fine to quote those figures as long as you are resigned to never amounting anything. I thought James Brent "got it"? I thought his lip quivered and he wanted the club to be successful?

If you're saying Brent's full of shit then I have to agree but there are some very high profile fans who say he's the messiah and yet these plans are big enough for League 1 and that's all

So if you back Brent and say that he is an Argyle fan now and has the best interests of the club at heart then the proposed stand is nowhere near big enough is it?

If he wants to come out and say "Look guys I'll build this because I only want to go as far as League 1" then we would know, but throbber Newell is praising him and the plans at every turn. Won't hear a bad word about the man. If the plans are good then it is short term and then we are fecked if we want to progress further. No expansion of the feckin horseshoe will take place ffs. His own team have admitted that. The foundations weren't dug properly for the horseshoe to be expanded.

If Brent wasn't heralded as the second coming then I wouldn't mind so much, but he is.

Admit it then Mr Brent. The plans are sufficient for what you have in mind, a possible promotion taking a few years and then you're off.

Greenjock wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Im a little torn on this now, i am really tired of the drab looking grandstand, I agree 20k would be the ideal but how many games hit that target in recent times, i think someone on here (cant be assed to go through the threads, showed it was only 7-10 games over the time we were in the championship that we achieved bigger attendances.

I think 17500 is sufficient for the moment and if we can increase it to 20k even if it is restricted viewing, when or if we get back to the championship then thats not to much of an issue. On the restricted veiw issue, i have been anfield a few times and sat in the bottom row of seats just behind the goal, but still enjoyed myself, and if like its been proven how many times would we need to use these seats anyway.

On the attendance rise that someone posted, with Reading,Hull, and a few others, i dont really see how this can be compared. They all relocated to completely new build stadiums, we are just building a stand!

I have to admit i like the development myself, Homepark will be a nicer place to be, and Central Park will become the hub of Social activities in the city.

Im not tainted, a Brent lover or liking the actual capacity i think it should be bigger, but 17500 seems sufficient at the moment and moving forward hopefully we can get a new owner who is more football based rather than development thirsty to take the club forward.

That's fine to quote those figures as long as you are resigned to never amounting anything. I thought James Brent "got it"? I thought his lip quivered and he wanted the club to be successful?

If you're saying Brent's full of shit then I have to agree but there are some very high profile fans who say he's the messiah and yet these plans are big enough for League 1 and that's all

So if you back Brent and say that he is an Argyle fan now and has the best interests of the club at heart then the proposed stand is nowhere near big enough is it?

If he wants to come out and say "Look guys I'll build this because I only want to go as far as League 1" then we would know, but throbber Newell is praising him and the plans at every turn. Won't hear a bad word about the man. If the plans are good then it is short term and then we are fecked if we want to progress further. No expansion of the feckin horseshoe will take place ffs. His own team have admitted that. The foundations weren't dug properly for the horseshoe to be expanded.

If Brent wasn't heralded as the second coming then I wouldn't mind so much, but he is.

Admit it then Mr Brent. The plans are sufficient for what you have in mind, a possible promotion taking a few years and then you're off.

So you are saying if we had a 30000 seater stadium that would garantee us getting to the prem league?

The figures are facts!, we showed a steady decline the longer we were in the championship, basically the first season high was just people coming out of interest, after that first season the novalty wore off.

Its not about not amounting to anything, i dont agree in development meaning less attendance BUT, it would be differant if like other clubs like Wigan,Brighton possibly Swansea, we had small stadiums that were nearly at full capacity ever home game and we needed to move to build a bigger capacity stadium, we are 40% capacity with room for growth, and thats based on 17500 seats.

And as for the extra 2500 seats, that wont be at the top of the horseshoe they will be ground level at the front of the shoe, where there is alot of space behind the advertising boards, hence the restricted veiw and the low cost of 1k per seat, but like i said, how often will they be used?.

Brent is only heralded as the second coming by very few, the fact is people on this site in particular are more interested in the opinions of certain so called super fans and take what they say as fact. They havent got as much influence as people give them credit for, they just like brown nosing to get their free entry and the perks that go with. Brent is not stupid, thats why he's got the millions and the so called brown nosers havent.

125+1 wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Im a little torn on this now, i am really tired of the drab looking grandstand, I agree 20k would be the ideal but how many games hit that target in recent times, i think someone on here (cant be assed to go through the threads, showed it was only 7-10 games over the time we were in the championship that we achieved bigger attendances.

I think 17500 is sufficient for the moment and if we can increase it to 20k even if it is restricted viewing, when or if we get back to the championship then thats not to much of an issue. On the restricted veiw issue, i have been anfield a few times and sat in the bottom row of seats just behind the goal, but still enjoyed myself, and if like its been proven how many times would we need to use these seats anyway.

On the attendance rise that someone posted, with Reading,Hull, and a few others, i dont really see how this can be compared. They all relocated to completely new build stadiums, we are just building a stand!

I have to admit i like the development myself, Homepark will be a nicer place to be, and Central Park will become the hub of Social activities in the city.

Im not tainted, a Brent lover or liking the actual capacity i think it should be bigger, but 17500 seems sufficient at the moment and moving forward hopefully we can get a new owner who is more football based rather than development thirsty to take the club forward.

That's fine to quote those figures as long as you are resigned to never amounting anything. I thought James Brent "got it"? I thought his lip quivered and he wanted the club to be successful?

If you're saying Brent's full of shit then I have to agree but there are some very high profile fans who say he's the messiah and yet these plans are big enough for League 1 and that's all

So if you back Brent and say that he is an Argyle fan now and has the best interests of the club at heart then the proposed stand is nowhere near big enough is it?

If he wants to come out and say "Look guys I'll build this because I only want to go as far as League 1" then we would know, but throbber Newell is praising him and the plans at every turn. Won't hear a bad word about the man. If the plans are good then it is short term and then we are fecked if we want to progress further. No expansion of the feckin horseshoe will take place ffs. His own team have admitted that. The foundations weren't dug properly for the horseshoe to be expanded.

If Brent wasn't heralded as the second coming then I wouldn't mind so much, but he is.

Admit it then Mr Brent. The plans are sufficient for what you have in mind, a possible promotion taking a few years and then you're off.

So you are saying if we had a 30000 seater stadium that would garantee us getting to the prem league?

The figures are facts!, we showed a steady decline the longer we were in the championship, basically the first season high was just people coming out of interest, after that first season the novalty wore off.

Its not about not amounting to anything, i dont agree in development meaning less attendance BUT, it would be differant if like other clubs like Wigan,Brighton possibly Swansea, we had small stadiums that were nearly at full capacity ever home game and we needed to move to build a bigger capacity stadium, we are 40% capacity with room for growth, and thats based on 17500 seats.

And as for the extra 2500 seats, that wont be at the top of the horseshoe they will be ground level at the front of the shoe, where there is alot of space behind the advertising boards, hence the restricted veiw and the low cost of 1k per seat, but like i said, how often will they be used?.

Brent is only heralded as the second coming by very few, the fact is people on this site in particular are more interested in the opinions of certain so called super fans and take what they say as fact. They havent got as much influence as people give them credit for, they just like brown nosing to get their free entry and the perks that go with. Brent is not stupid, thats why he's got the millions and the so called brown nosers havent.

No I'm not saying that 30,000 capacity would guarantee us reaching the Premier League at all. What I'm saying is that the 17k capacity is sufficient for up to the Championship but not if and when we reach it. To me that's Brent saying that's his level of ambition for the club. If he really believed that we could be a Championship club again and pushing for a Premier League place then he would make sure the capacity matched his ambition.

The highlighted part of your post is the first I've heard of the extra seats being in front of the horseshoe. Is this common knowledge? I'm sure that hasn't been stated by Brent or Akkeron because people have been challenging Brent's statement that extra seating can be added to the horseshoe.

The need for more capacity has been pointed out several times. Read John Petrie's post which explained how many games over the last 10 years ago or so exceeded the 17k proposed. In fact if you disregard the last 3 or 4 years because the club has been so shit that it's never been mid-table never mind challenging for promotion, then it's even clearer.

This is the once in a lifetime chance to do something to be proud of. To banish the memories of what previous owners have done and to make himself a hero, as he's lauded as by many, and yet he's chosen the shitty route of making millions for himself and shafting the club just like the previous lot.

A school that must have been known about for quite some time has miraculously appeared in once corner of the ground and all of a sudden the retails units income won't be going to the club.

It's a total piss-take by the reluctant bidder who's having to expand his bedroom to fit all his money under the bed.

17500 is fine for now but is that going to be enough in the future? because i dont think so especially if the club is going to attract more fans to games like its trying to do now and the team is playing well and i dont think james should pre guess the future of the club when he is long gone .

If this stand can be upgraded then great that would satisfy alot of people but it cant and thats not good news. the extra seats in the other stands is only only going to take the capacity up to 20000 so why wont the new stand be able to do the same? make it so its would take the overall capacity to 25000 that would be perfect for us and allow us to be ambitious without restrictions.

Rickler wrote:

There is one facet of the capacity argument that hasn't really been talked about from what I have read....

Supply and demand.


It will mean fewer fans having to pay higher prices... But hey... that's the price of success!

'sfunny, I thought the whole argument had been about exactly that, Brent's willingness to supply the club with a brand new stand, at no cost, while the general muppetage demands he spend millions on pie in the sky dreams.

That is capitalism, doing the doable on budget while the socialists want to saddle the club with huge debts based on pipe dreams.

"that's the price of success!"

Now that did make I larf. Success for you mob would be to stay up by two points next season.

Greenjock wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Im a little torn on this now, i am really tired of the drab looking grandstand, I agree 20k would be the ideal but how many games hit that target in recent times, i think someone on here (cant be assed to go through the threads, showed it was only 7-10 games over the time we were in the championship that we achieved bigger attendances.

I think 17500 is sufficient for the moment and if we can increase it to 20k even if it is restricted viewing, when or if we get back to the championship then thats not to much of an issue. On the restricted veiw issue, i have been anfield a few times and sat in the bottom row of seats just behind the goal, but still enjoyed myself, and if like its been proven how many times would we need to use these seats anyway.

On the attendance rise that someone posted, with Reading,Hull, and a few others, i dont really see how this can be compared. They all relocated to completely new build stadiums, we are just building a stand!

I have to admit i like the development myself, Homepark will be a nicer place to be, and Central Park will become the hub of Social activities in the city.

Im not tainted, a Brent lover or liking the actual capacity i think it should be bigger, but 17500 seems sufficient at the moment and moving forward hopefully we can get a new owner who is more football based rather than development thirsty to take the club forward.

That's fine to quote those figures as long as you are resigned to never amounting anything. I thought James Brent "got it"? I thought his lip quivered and he wanted the club to be successful?

If you're saying Brent's full of shit then I have to agree but there are some very high profile fans who say he's the messiah and yet these plans are big enough for League 1 and that's all

So if you back Brent and say that he is an Argyle fan now and has the best interests of the club at heart then the proposed stand is nowhere near big enough is it?

If he wants to come out and say "Look guys I'll build this because I only want to go as far as League 1" then we would know, but throbber Newell is praising him and the plans at every turn. Won't hear a bad word about the man. If the plans are good then it is short term and then we are fecked if we want to progress further. No expansion of the feckin horseshoe will take place ffs. His own team have admitted that. The foundations weren't dug properly for the horseshoe to be expanded.

If Brent wasn't heralded as the second coming then I wouldn't mind so much, but he is.

Admit it then Mr Brent. The plans are sufficient for what you have in mind, a possible promotion taking a few years and then you're off.

The irony of this is that it is only a few on here who imagine that many people see him as such. Most sensible fans don't herald him as anything of the sort but they do see him as the least worst current option.

The obsession with people like Ian Newell on this board is embarrassing and detracts from real decent debate about the football club - because none of you can see past personalities.

125+1 wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Dougie wrote:

It a point worth pursuing. I mentioned it yesterday in relation to Anfield where prices will be going up once a new stand is built. It's a question I think the Trust/PASB should be asking to prices in the new stand. Certain REAL fans will accept any price and expect everyone else to as well as we are getting a free stand after all.

But it is an approach , doomed to failure. There are only at best 6k addicted supporters. Those others who require ambition to be shown by the club will switch off unless the team is top 6 in the table. No new or potential supporters will be inspired by the boxed in mini stand, down a draughty alleyway.
The superfans will be trying to suck money out of the same dull tent dwellers and bucket rattlers.

It is so predictably sad and frankly, janner.

Meanwhile Brent can complete his real business and disappear without so much as a quiver of the lip.

But thats always been the way with Plymouth supporters and always will be, all you have to do is look at our first year aberage attendance in the Championship, then look at our third year average, better players, like SEB,Halmosi,Norris,Nalis,and many more, but the attendances dropped hugely despite a charismatic manager and the team pushing further up the league.

Nothing to do with the stadium,team, or manager. Plymouth IS NOT a footballing city, never will be 260,00 population and less than 4% go and support the club, also we are one of the lowest earning City's with a high cost of living.

I will also add i think we are also the very few city's or towns, that have a Saturday Youth league (DJM), this affects attendances hugely aswell.

Jesus feckin wept.

Innocent Egbunike wrote:

Most sensible fans don't herald him as anything of the sort but they do see him as the least worst current option.
- because none of you can see past personalities.

He's the least worst current option ? ... what does that mean Innocent ? there are no current options ... he's the owner. You're just putting out words that mean nothing.

And as for lumping everyone together who disagrees with you, well.... you'll have Sensible on your case.


And.. GS... I know what you mean not that old chestnut. When I played in the DJM, you couldn't drag most players up to Home Park. Most of them really weren't interested then, and I would bet the same applies. They just want to play themselves, not watch a team that was often laughed at.... and that was nothing to do with apathy, they just really didn't WANT to go watch.

Innocent Egbunike wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Im a little torn on this now, i am really tired of the drab looking grandstand, I agree 20k would be the ideal but how many games hit that target in recent times, i think someone on here (cant be assed to go through the threads, showed it was only 7-10 games over the time we were in the championship that we achieved bigger attendances.

I think 17500 is sufficient for the moment and if we can increase it to 20k even if it is restricted viewing, when or if we get back to the championship then thats not to much of an issue. On the restricted veiw issue, i have been anfield a few times and sat in the bottom row of seats just behind the goal, but still enjoyed myself, and if like its been proven how many times would we need to use huzzahthese seats anyway.

On the attendance rise that someone posted, with Reading,Hull, and a few others, i dont really see how this can be compared. They all relocated to completely new build stadiums, we are just building a stand!

I have to admit i like the development myself, Homepark will be a nicer place to be, and Central Park will become the hub of Social activities in the city.

Im not tainted, a Brent lover or liking the actual capacity i think it should be bigger, but 17500 seems sufficient at the moment and moving forward hopefully we can get a new owner who is more football based rather than development thirsty to take the club forward.

That's fine to quote those figures as long as you are resigned to never amounting anything. I thought James Brent "got it"? I thought his lip quivered and he wanted the club to be successful?

If you're saying Brent's full of shit then I have to agree but there are some very high profile fans who say he's the messiah and yet these plans are big enough for League 1 and that's all

So if you back Brent and say that he is an Argyle fan now and has the best interests of the club at heart then the proposed stand is nowhere near big enough is it?

If he wants to come out and say "Look guys I'll build this because I only want to go as far as League 1" then we would know, but throbber Newell is praising him and the plans at every turn. Won't hear a bad word about the man. If the plans are good then it is short term and then we are fecked if we want to progress further. No expansion of the feckin horseshoe will take place ffs. His own team have admitted that. The foundations weren't dug properly for the horseshoe to be expanded.

If Brent wasn't heralded as the second coming then I wouldn't mind so much, but he is.

Admit it then Mr Brent. The plans are sufficient for what you have in mind, a possible promotion taking a few years and then you're off.

The irony of this is that it is only a few on here who imagine that many people see him as such. Most sensible fans don't herald him as anything of the sort but they do see him as the least worst current option.

The obsession with people like Ian Newell on this board is embarrassing and detracts from real decent debate about the football club - because none of you can see past personalities.

Utter bollocks. If you take a look at Pasoti there are threads started all the time thanking Brent for this that and another and the owner is like his personal bodyguard.

After surviving relegation to non division by a single point the fans were chanting his name and giving him a hero's welcome, despite the fact it was his choosing to stick with Fletcher far too long that almost relegated us.

If you're embarrassed by this forum why don't you toddle off and read a United forum?

125+1 wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Im a little torn on this now, i am really tired of the drab looking grandstand, I agree 20k would be the ideal but how many games hit that target in recent times, i think someone on here (cant be assed to go through the threads, showed it was only 7-10 games over the time we were in the championship that we achieved bigger attendances.

I think 17500 is sufficient for the moment and if we can increase it to 20k even if it is restricted viewing, when or if we get back to the championship then thats not to much of an issue. On the restricted veiw issue, i have been anfield a few times and sat in the bottom row of seats just behind the goal, but still enjoyed myself, and if like its been proven how many times would we need to use these seats anyway.

On the attendance rise that someone posted, with Reading,Hull, and a few others, i dont really see how this can be compared. They all relocated to completely new build stadiums, we are just building a stand!

I have to admit i like the development myself, Homepark will be a nicer place to be, and Central Park will become the hub of Social activities in the city.

Im not tainted, a Brent lover or liking the actual capacity i think it should be bigger, but 17500 seems sufficient at the moment and moving forward hopefully we can get a new owner who is more football based rather than development thirsty to take the club forward.

That's fine to quote those figures as long as you are resigned to never amounting anything. I thought James Brent "got it"? I thought his lip quivered and he wanted the club to be successful?

If you're saying Brent's full of shit then I have to agree but there are some very high profile fans who say he's the messiah and yet these plans are big enough for League 1 and that's all

So if you back Brent and say that he is an Argyle fan now and has the best interests of the club at heart then the proposed stand is nowhere near big enough is it?

If he wants to come out and say "Look guys I'll build this because I only want to go as far as League 1" then we would know, but throbber Newell is praising him and the plans at every turn. Won't hear a bad word about the man. If the plans are good then it is short term and then we are fecked if we want to progress further. No expansion of the feckin horseshoe will take place ffs. His own team have admitted that. The foundations weren't dug properly for the horseshoe to be expanded.

If Brent wasn't heralded as the second coming then I wouldn't mind so much, but he is.

Admit it then Mr Brent. The plans are sufficient for what you have in mind, a possible promotion taking a few years and then you're off.

So you are saying if we had a 30000 seater stadium that would garantee us getting to the prem league?

The figures are facts!, we showed a steady decline the longer we were in the championship, basically the first season high was just people coming out of interest, after that first season the novalty wore off.

Its not about not amounting to anything, i dont agree in development meaning less attendance BUT, it would be differant if like other clubs like Wigan,Brighton possibly Swansea, we had small stadiums that were nearly at full capacity ever home game and we needed to move to build a bigger capacity stadium, we are 40% capacity with room for growth, and thats based on 17500 seats.

And as for the extra 2500 seats, that wont be at the top of the horseshoe they will be ground level at the front of the shoe, where there is alot of space behind the advertising boards, hence the restricted veiw and the low cost of 1k per seat, but like i said, how often will they be used?.

Brent is only heralded as the second coming by very few, the fact is people on this site in particular are more interested in the opinions of certain so called super fans and take what they say as fact. They havent got as much influence as people give them credit for, they just like brown nosing to get their free entry and the perks that go with. Brent is not stupid, thats why he's got the millions and the so called brown nosers havent.

I'm still intrigued where you got the info about the horseshoe extension being at the front and not on top 125+1.

I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere and people have been asking how the extra seats were going to easily be added.

Inside info?

125+1 wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Im a little torn on this now, i am really tired of the drab looking grandstand, I agree 20k would be the ideal but how many games hit that target in recent times, i think someone on here (cant be assed to go through the threads, showed it was only 7-10 games over the time we were in the championship that we achieved bigger attendances.

I think 17500 is sufficient for the moment and if we can increase it to 20k even if it is restricted viewing, when or if we get back to the championship then thats not to much of an issue. On the restricted veiw issue, i have been anfield a few times and sat in the bottom row of seats just behind the goal, but still enjoyed myself, and if like its been proven how many times would we need to use these seats anyway.

On the attendance rise that someone posted, with Reading,Hull, and a few others, i dont really see how this can be compared. They all relocated to completely new build stadiums, we are just building a stand!

I have to admit i like the development myself, Homepark will be a nicer place to be, and Central Park will become the hub of Social activities in the city.

Im not tainted, a Brent lover or liking the actual capacity i think it should be bigger, but 17500 seems sufficient at the moment and moving forward hopefully we can get a new owner who is more football based rather than development thirsty to take the club forward.

That's fine to quote those figures as long as you are resigned to never amounting anything. I thought James Brent "got it"? I thought his lip quivered and he wanted the club to be successful?

If you're saying Brent's full of shit then I have to agree but there are some very high profile fans who say he's the messiah and yet these plans are big enough for League 1 and that's all

So if you back Brent and say that he is an Argyle fan now and has the best interests of the club at heart then the proposed stand is nowhere near big enough is it?

If he wants to come out and say "Look guys I'll build this because I only want to go as far as League 1" then we would know, but throbber Newell is praising him and the plans at every turn. Won't hear a bad word about the man. If the plans are good then it is short term and then we are fecked if we want to progress further. No expansion of the feckin horseshoe will take place ffs. His own team have admitted that. The foundations weren't dug properly for the horseshoe to be expanded.

If Brent wasn't heralded as the second coming then I wouldn't mind so much, but he is.

Admit it then Mr Brent. The plans are sufficient for what you have in mind, a possible promotion taking a few years and then you're off.

So you are saying if we had a 30000 seater stadium that would garantee us getting to the prem league?

The figures are facts!, we showed a steady decline the longer we were in the championship, basically the first season high was just people coming out of interest, after that first season the novalty wore off.

Its not about not amounting to anything, i dont agree in development meaning less attendance BUT, it would be differant if like other clubs like Wigan,Brighton possibly Swansea, we had small stadiums that were nearly at full capacity ever home game and we needed to move to build a bigger capacity stadium, we are 40% capacity with room for growth, and thats based on 17500 seats.

And as for the extra 2500 seats, that wont be at the top of the horseshoe they will be ground level at the front of the shoe, where there is alot of space behind the advertising boards, hence the restricted veiw and the low cost of 1k per seat, but like i said, how often will they be used?.

Brent is only heralded as the second coming by very few, the fact is people on this site in particular are more interested in the opinions of certain so called super fans and take what they say as fact. They havent got as much influence as people give them credit for, they just like brown nosing to get their free entry and the perks that go with. Brent is not stupid, thats why he's got the millions and the so called brown nosers havent.

Im confused ?

punchdrunk wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Im a little torn on this now, i am really tired of the drab looking grandstand, I agree 20k would be the ideal but how many games hit that target in recent times, i think someone on here (cant be assed to go through the threads, showed it was only 7-10 games over the time we were in the championship that we achieved bigger attendances.

I think 17500 is sufficient for the moment and if we can increase it to 20k even if it is restricted viewing, when or if we get back to the championship then thats not to much of an issue. On the restricted veiw issue, i have been anfield a few times and sat in the bottom row of seats just behind the goal, but still enjoyed myself, and if like its been proven how many times would we need to use these seats anyway.

On the attendance rise that someone posted, with Reading,Hull, and a few others, i dont really see how this can be compared. They all relocated to completely new build stadiums, we are just building a stand!

I have to admit i like the development myself, Homepark will be a nicer place to be, and Central Park will become the hub of Social activities in the city.

Im not tainted, a Brent lover or liking the actual capacity i think it should be bigger, but 17500 seems sufficient at the moment and moving forward hopefully we can get a new owner who is more football based rather than development thirsty to take the club forward.

That's fine to quote those figures as long as you are resigned to never amounting anything. I thought James Brent "got it"? I thought his lip quivered and he wanted the club to be successful?

If you're saying Brent's full of shit then I have to agree but there are some very high profile fans who say he's the messiah and yet these plans are big enough for League 1 and that's all

So if you back Brent and say that he is an Argyle fan now and has the best interests of the club at heart then the proposed stand is nowhere near big enough is it?

If he wants to come out and say "Look guys I'll build this because I only want to go as far as League 1" then we would know, but throbber Newell is praising him and the plans at every turn. Won't hear a bad word about the man. If the plans are good then it is short term and then we are fecked if we want to progress further. No expansion of the feckin horseshoe will take place ffs. His own team have admitted that. The foundations weren't dug properly for the horseshoe to be expanded.

If Brent wasn't heralded as the second coming then I wouldn't mind so much, but he is.

Admit it then Mr Brent. The plans are sufficient for what you have in mind, a possible promotion taking a few years and then you're off.

So you are saying if we had a 30000 seater stadium that would garantee us getting to the prem league?

The figures are facts!, we showed a steady decline the longer we were in the championship, basically the first season high was just people coming out of interest, after that first season the novalty wore off.

Its not about not amounting to anything, i dont agree in development meaning less attendance BUT, it would be differant if like other clubs like Wigan,Brighton possibly Swansea, we had small stadiums that were nearly at full capacity ever home game and we needed to move to build a bigger capacity stadium, we are 40% capacity with room for growth, and thats based on 17500 seats.

And as for the extra 2500 seats, that wont be at the top of the horseshoe they will be ground level at the front of the shoe, where there is alot of space behind the advertising boards, hence the restricted veiw and the low cost of 1k per seat, but like i said, how often will they be used?.

Brent is only heralded as the second coming by very few, the fact is people on this site in particular are more interested in the opinions of certain so called super fans and take what they say as fact. They havent got as much influence as people give them credit for, they just like brown nosing to get their free entry and the perks that go with. Brent is not stupid, thats why he's got the millions and the so called brown nosers havent.

Im confused ?

Me too Somebody has let their mask slip here and he's now gone very quiet.

I'm fooked if I can be arsed to find it, but there was an architectural drawing doing the rounds showing that the three or four rows extension to the horseshoe were most certainly at the back of the current structure, not the front.

The reason some of them would have a restricted view was because the pillars at the back of the current structure would have to remain in place, thus impeding the view in some of the new seats.

If seats were added at the front behind the advertising on level ground, it'd look like a feckin' school assembly hall!

I'm having a massive change of opinion!

Listening to our fellow (cough!) fan, Ian Newell, we will not need a larger stand then the 17,000 proposed as it is unlikely we will ever reach the Premier and if by some freaky fluke Brent delivers us to this Never Never land we'll be building a brand new (40,000 capacity?) stadium somewhere near Sheepstor.

So, on that basis I have concluded that we don't need a stand at all, in fact all we will need is somewhere for Ian, James, Tony, Chris, Peter and one or two PASB Reps to put their feet up and do a bit of business promoting as well as a corner for Ian to generally have a good puke up and beat up stewards and stuff, although I recognise that he's knocking on a bit and prefers others to kick the crap out of elderly gentlemen these days.

I will therefore be providing plans and drawings for my idea shortly, which will show a long length or rope that will separate the pitch from the present car park. There will be a segregation area created so the new standing area is between the car park and the pitch that will provide 250 standing positions (100 if bringing deckchairs).

I have therefore solved the problems and I hope to be invited to the Business Lounge at any moment as well as taking up the AFT Chairs position.

I thank you.

PS I will only be posting on pasoti from now on.

james brent wont be in charge of the club inside two years let alone being here to oversee a rise up the leagues. As soon as the development is complete he will look to offload the club to the first person(s) to show any interest and he will sit back in penge counting the money as its rolls in.

dont get me wrong GOB i am all for a stadium at sheepstor but i cant help but feel the residents in nearby horrabridge will object if their view of the tor is obstructed by the size of the 40000 seater stadium.

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

james brent wont be in charge of the club inside two years let alone being here to oversee a rise up the leagues. As soon as the development is complete he will look to offload the club to the first person(s) to show any interest and he will sit back in penge counting the money as its rolls in.

dont get me wrong GOB i am all for a stadium at sheepstor but i cant help but feel the residents in nearby horrabridge will object if their view of the tor is obstructed by the size of the 40000 seater stadium.

Well if James does go, and BTW, he is now a personal friend, then I am sure that Peter will agree to step up to the mark as long as we offer him the chance to do a bit of networking and a really big table with lots of chairs and things. Edit to add: and free mineral water!

.......ahh yes but I have adopted Ian's idea, we will be providing a huge Muriel that will cover the back of the stadium when it is built at Sheepstor that will show Plymouth Sound and the Breakwater, complete with a lighthouse! The resident will not even know we have built it!

Rejoice, this is a wonderful idea (in PASB Rep voice)...(Not Damon's BTW, he doesn't count)