A Massive Rant, Sorry.

First off, for any of our non viewing Pasoti viewers, that’s specifically the ones who profess that they would never look at such a vile site, I’ll establish my bona fides as a supporter. My first game was against Arsenal in the Milk Cup, Nisbet for us, Rix for them, both screamers. I’ve had a season ticket, work permitting, on and off for most of the last 25 years. I flew back from Canada to get to the Burnley relegation match. I’ve renegotiated two of my working contracts so that working weekends was entirely at my discretion, so as not to miss games. Two of the years that I was a season ticket holder, I lived in Bristol and didn’t miss a single home game. Basically, I’m a real supporter who lives in Plymouth and goes to games. This isn’t a slight on ex pats, but as we’re all aware, some fans are apparently better fans than others.

Yet again we, the fans are told what to think. “Hey, it’s great, it’ll put Argyle on the map, let’s get our club trending, look at me, blah, blah, blah”. To counter this I’d say what a load of old bollocks. We, as individuals, are allowed our own opinions and ideas. Hating the Akkeron plans isn’t wrong. It’s an opinion. The Ministry Of Obedience however has decided that SuperBrent, the saviour of Plymouth, the Westcountry and eventually the World can however do no wrong and must not be made to answer questions or concerns. He’s the most open and engaging chairman the club has ever had, I hear you cry Mr. President. No, he’s a glad-handing politician, kissing babies and agreeing with everyone (to their face, that is). That’s not engagement, its bullshitting.

You have to admire Brent. He really has played a blinder. He’s played this like a game of chess. Establish control of the board with your pawns. For arguments sake, let’s call them Newell, Webb, Jones, PASB, Sparksie, Salsa Verde and the Herald. Forgive me if I’ve left any more of you other deserving fecking parasites out. Once control is established, you pretty much can’t lose. I have deliberately left out the PCC and politicians as I’ll get to them in a minute. My perspective is that Brent, the reluctant millionaire developer, sorry bidder, is still coming out pretty much untarnished as if some modern day Robin Hood. Forget those other nasty developers, I’m not at all like them, follow me and I will free you from your turgid lives. (For some reason I now have an image of IJN as Friar Tuck and Presidente as Maid Marion, top buttoning her shawl for modesty’s sake). He’s managed this with his human shield of followers to deflect any and all flack that comes his way. Like cheap toilet paper, no shit sticks to him.

The cult of Brent is a strange one. I may be talking from the moral high ground here, but did none of his acolytes have any sort of scruples or moral compass before he waved associate directorships, AAA passes and imaginary titles at them. According to the presidente, it is a complete internet myth and fabrication that superfans even exist, let alone that they are privy to inside club information. Sorry Jock, but I’ll never believe in Bigfoot as much as I’d like to. To deny the superfans exist is so pathetically ludicrous, I may as well deny that this keyboard exists (warrior TM IJN).

As for the development, HHP as a whole, WTF? Does the city need an IMAX? When I’ve visited the Vue, they’ve hardly been turning people away in their droves, so why a cinema. Does the city need an Ice Rink? Has the white elephant that is the Pavilions, been a roaring success, making money hand over fist and drawing in tourists aplenty? For that matter what is the city’s (PCC) obsession with ice skating? Is one of the councillors kids a budding Torvill or Dean? I just don’t and never will get that. Is a hotel really necessary? It’ll be a mediocre chain style 3* hotel anyway. Not exactly the new prestige place to stay. I know that we as a club have to have these to get our shitty, sorry shiny, new stand, but taking that out of the equation, none of these developments are needed. Those that continually profess that all of these things will enhance the city and that Central Park must be preserved as the green lung of the city must surely have their wires crossed. Shiny new development or park, not both. You cant have it both ways. The mere mention of a bloody footprint makes me think of JB stamping all over the city and the fans. As far as being a luddite opposed to progress, as I expect I will be viewed, feck it, let’s build an amusement park on the Hoe. It’ll be shiny and lovely and tourists will come from around the world, but it would be like fecking Blackpool. Nothing against Blackpool, but it’s hardly a panorama of unspoilt beauty is it?

PCC have, throughout this developing saga (See what I did there), not exactly stood out as the protectors and bastions of the City either. From my perspective, they have proven either morally bankrupt, complicit, or both in selling the whole of Plymouth down the river in order for JB to make his millions. I know that such philanthropic developers only appear once every two millennia, but the cynic in me wonders what is in it for them? The massive development and investment as a whole allude to revitalising the whole city. It may be my cynicism, but I really do not see how the hotel, cinema and ice rink do this. Perhaps the rest of JB’s portfolio will, but they certainly don’t.

I’ve said it before; I don’t have a problem with the size of the new stand. My problem is that it cannot be expanded and therefore will forever hamstring the club. A relegation struggle in the Championship will be our new nirvana. All the bullshit about further expansion, absolute tosh. It’s been repeatedly said by many sources, including Akkeron, that any expansion while technically possibly would be prohibitively expensive. It will never happen. Now, JB has said it could happen and it wouldn’t be expensive at all, feck the facts, he says it so it must be true. Its not as though he has a vested interest in making the development as cheap as possible, is it? His acolytes now appear to have altered their stance. The real fan from New Zealand, not NZGreen, says that the horseshoe can be expanded and IJN says that if all the world were made of candy and we got to the premiership that we could spend billions on a new ground and new players and rainbows and stuff. What a load of absolute bollocks.

Believe it or not, I’m actually trying not to be abusive. Those that don’t want any questioning or discussion seize on abuse as a reason not to. I believe that Mr Brent and his developments could improve the city as a whole. I don’t believe that anybody, other than Mr Brent himself, though is exercising any sort of governance over the situation. That he is riding roughshod over reasonable dissent in regards to the HHP development doesn’t fill me with confidence for the rest of the developments and their benefit to the city though.

For the record I am not educated, I almost certainly am a wanker, I clearly have too much time on my hands and if any of the usual suspects, (Jon Petrie, Graham Clark, John Lloyd, Damon Lenszner or others), feel that I could contribute in any way to opposing this development then let me know.

Rant over, for now anyway.

Steve

Wow! In the net pal! Pick that one out! Nail struck firmly on the head! plus all other such sayings. Says it all for me.

Absolutely Brilliant!!!!!

Well ranted from the heart.

We really do need some big names in the Argyle world to step up and lead the fight to keep our dreams alive.

If not for us , then for future generations.

It just has to be the Trust accomapanied by a membership drive.

'Forget the season ticket to nowhere. Take the Trust ticket to a brighter future ! Say NO to Brent.'

If ever there was a rant worth having then that was it.

Maybe there should be a chance for those that have disgraced themselves in the past to step forward, shout out loud and redeem themselves.

Unfortunately, Steve, nobody is listening...and they never have been. I'm sure we all hoped for more from Brent but his true colours have been on show for a while.

And as for the council, they've been in it with him from Day 1 when they introduced him to Guilfoyle.

The council wont put up much of a fight for the club Tudor LOVES getting in the paper over actually doing his job so he wont stop the developments.

For what it's worth, I have had a long conversation with Chris Errington today and sent an accompanying email for use in a piece that should be published next week, along with contributions from other Argyle fans.

We'll see how that comes out.

John_Lloyd wrote:

For what it's worth, I have had a long conversation with Chris Errington today and sent an accompanying email for use in a piece that should be published next week, along with contributions from other Argyle fans.

We'll see how that comes out.

I'll look forward to reading it when it is published.

Who do we have to lead the fight? Damon is viewed as a loose cannon with an axe to grind, ie. bitter ex board member (sorry Damon I have no beef with you, keep up the good work, but this is how you are portrayed by the wannabe board members) john Loyd just sounds plain tired with it all, Graham Clarke I am not sure about, I wonder If he is gagged by work commitments, he doesn't seem up for a fight, John Petrie is a good guy
But the dark powers at the club have been working hard against them for a long time. One thing that Corny has got bang on is that we are playing against a serious player here who has had more than a twelve month start on us and the council is in his pocket. We need a leader, if the trust would put a man up and come out with a clear battle campaign there are enough fans that could be a pain in the arse to get what we want. What we don't have is time and whilst the Trust and the WG shoot hot air about TOR and shit like that we are losing ground! If I could help in any way you only have to ask, but we need a leader.

I do wish Micheal Foot had hung on a bit longer, he had a dream and it wasn't about property.

There's obviously a great deal of concern that voices will be heard, such is the strength of the campaign against the AFT.

I think there's a hell of a chance to kick a few arses here!

cornysteve wrote:

First off, for any of our non viewing Pasoti viewers, that’s specifically the ones who profess that they would never look at such a vile site, I’ll establish my bona fides as a supporter. My first game was against Arsenal in the Milk Cup, Nisbet for us, Rix for them, both screamers. I’ve had a season ticket, work permitting, on and off for most of the last 25 years. I flew back from Canada to get to the Burnley relegation match. I’ve renegotiated two of my working contracts so that working weekends was entirely at my discretion, so as not to miss games. Two of the years that I was a season ticket holder, I lived in Bristol and didn’t miss a single home game. Basically, I’m a real supporter who lives in Plymouth and goes to games. This isn’t a slight on ex pats, but as we’re all aware, some fans are apparently better fans than others.

Yet again we, the fans are told what to think. “Hey, it’s great, it’ll put Argyle on the map, let’s get our club trending, look at me, blah, blah, blah”. To counter this I’d say what a load of old bollocks. We, as individuals, are allowed our own opinions and ideas. Hating the Akkeron plans isn’t wrong. It’s an opinion. The Ministry Of Obedience however has decided that SuperBrent, the saviour of Plymouth, the Westcountry and eventually the World can however do no wrong and must not be made to answer questions or concerns. He’s the most open and engaging chairman the club has ever had, I hear you cry Mr. President. No, he’s a glad-handing politician, kissing babies and agreeing with everyone (to their face, that is). That’s not engagement, its bullshitting.

You have to admire Brent. He really has played a blinder. He’s played this like a game of chess. Establish control of the board with your pawns. For arguments sake, let’s call them Newell, Webb, Jones, PASB, Sparksie, Salsa Verde and the Herald. Forgive me if I’ve left any more of you other deserving fecking parasites out. Once control is established, you pretty much can’t lose. I have deliberately left out the PCC and politicians as I’ll get to them in a minute. My perspective is that Brent, the reluctant millionaire developer, sorry bidder, is still coming out pretty much untarnished as if some modern day Robin Hood. Forget those other nasty developers, I’m not at all like them, follow me and I will free you from your turgid lives. (For some reason I now have an image of IJN as Friar Tuck and Presidente as Maid Marion, top buttoning her shawl for modesty’s sake). He’s managed this with his human shield of followers to deflect any and all flack that comes his way. Like cheap toilet paper, no shit sticks to him.

The cult of Brent is a strange one. I may be talking from the moral high ground here, but did none of his acolytes have any sort of scruples or moral compass before he waved associate directorships, AAA passes and imaginary titles at them. According to the presidente, it is a complete internet myth and fabrication that superfans even exist, let alone that they are privy to inside club information. Sorry Jock, but I’ll never believe in Bigfoot as much as I’d like to. To deny the superfans exist is so pathetically ludicrous, I may as well deny that this keyboard exists (warrior TM IJN).

As for the development, HHP as a whole, WTF? Does the city need an IMAX? When I’ve visited the Vue, they’ve hardly been turning people away in their droves, so why a cinema. Does the city need an Ice Rink? Has the white elephant that is the Pavilions, been a roaring success, making money hand over fist and drawing in tourists aplenty? For that matter what is the city’s (PCC) obsession with ice skating? Is one of the councillors kids a budding Torvill or Dean? I just don’t and never will get that. Is a hotel really necessary? It’ll be a mediocre chain style 3* hotel anyway. Not exactly the new prestige place to stay. I know that we as a club have to have these to get our shitty, sorry shiny, new stand, but taking that out of the equation, none of these developments are needed. Those that continually profess that all of these things will enhance the city and that Central Park must be preserved as the green lung of the city must surely have their wires crossed. Shiny new development or park, not both. You cant have it both ways. The mere mention of a bloody footprint makes me think of JB stamping all over the city and the fans. As far as being a luddite opposed to progress, as I expect I will be viewed, feck it, let’s build an amusement park on the Hoe. It’ll be shiny and lovely and tourists will come from around the world, but it would be like fecking Blackpool. Nothing against Blackpool, but it’s hardly a panorama of unspoilt beauty is it?

PCC have, throughout this developing saga (See what I did there), not exactly stood out as the protectors and bastions of the City either. From my perspective, they have proven either morally bankrupt, complicit, or both in selling the whole of Plymouth down the river in order for JB to make his millions. I know that such philanthropic developers only appear once every two millennia, but the cynic in me wonders what is in it for them? The massive development and investment as a whole allude to revitalising the whole city. It may be my cynicism, but I really do not see how the hotel, cinema and ice rink do this. Perhaps the rest of JB’s portfolio will, but they certainly don’t.

I’ve said it before; I don’t have a problem with the size of the new stand. My problem is that it cannot be expanded and therefore will forever hamstring the club. A relegation struggle in the Championship will be our new nirvana. All the bullshit about further expansion, absolute tosh. It’s been repeatedly said by many sources, including Akkeron, that any expansion while technically possibly would be prohibitively expensive. It will never happen. Now, JB has said it could happen and it wouldn’t be expensive at all, feck the facts, he says it so it must be true. Its not as though he has a vested interest in making the development as cheap as possible, is it? His acolytes now appear to have altered their stance. The real fan from New Zealand, not NZGreen, says that the horseshoe can be expanded and IJN says that if all the world were made of candy and we got to the premiership that we could spend billions on a new ground and new players and rainbows and stuff. What a load of absolute bollocks.

Believe it or not, I’m actually trying not to be abusive. Those that don’t want any questioning or discussion seize on abuse as a reason not to. I believe that Mr Brent and his developments could improve the city as a whole. I don’t believe that anybody, other than Mr Brent himself, though is exercising any sort of governance over the situation. That he is riding roughshod over reasonable dissent in regards to the HHP development doesn’t fill me with confidence for the rest of the developments and their benefit to the city though.

For the record I am not educated, I almost certainly am a wanker, I clearly have too much time on my hands and if any of the usual suspects, (Jon Petrie, Graham Clark, John Lloyd, Damon Lenszner or others), feel that I could contribute in any way to opposing this development then let me know.

Rant over, for now anyway.

Steve

Sublime. Truly sublime.

Yours Faithfully

Distressed of Côte D'zur

Steve - a cracking post, you #educatedwanker you.

I repeat, that other than O levels I am not educated.

An alternative viewpoint put to me this evening at the pub, by a mate who is also an Argyle die hard. In ten years time when Brent has fecked off and the white elephants that are the cinema, ice rink and hotel are scheduled for demolition, we'll have all the room we need for expansion.

In broad strokes, he's correct, but I don't agree that we should all stand by and let this atrocious development happen. Despite him keeping the club on life support during and post administration, feck him. I want the best for my club primarily, the best for the city secondarily and whats best for Akkeron and James Brent? Actually I dont care one iota for his share price or profits. Feck him. If there is any way that I can help to feck up his £150m development, I'm in. If he cant see that his development is detrimental to the club, that's his problem not mine. If this means no development for the foreseeable future then so be it. I don't believe that the club should bend over, get fecked, than thank him very much for it.

Steve

cornysteve wrote:

I repeat, that other than O levels I am not educated.

An alternative viewpoint put to me this evening at the pub, by a mate who is also an Argyle die hard. In ten years time when Brent has fecked off and the white elephants that are the cinema, ice rink and hotel are scheduled for demolition, we'll have all the room we need for expansion.

In broad strokes, he's correct, but I don't agree that we should all stand by and let this atrocious development happen. Despite him keeping the club on life support during and post administration, feck him. I want the best for my club primarily, the best for the city secondarily and whats best for Akkeron and James Brent? Actually I dont care one iota for his share price or profits. Feck him. If there is any way that I can help to feck up his £150m development, I'm in. If he cant see that his development is detrimental to the club, that's his problem not mine. If this means no development for the foreseeable future then so be it. I don't believe that the club should bend over, get fecked, than thank him very much for it.

Steve

When he brought Pasoti onside with the silly hats, he knew exactly what he was doing.

Those types have stars in their eyes and can picture themselves running the show at HP for a long time. For that to happen, the club has to be restricted in potential.

With these plans, Brnt and his jamboys win , the club becomes a village fiefdom, looking down on other minnows.

Our superfans love bantering with Exeter & Torquay, it's their level. Engand's 13th largest city club is now happy to slug it out with , Accrington and Rochdale too.

Look how far we've come indeed ! This expression emanated from Nolo and co. in the Championship. The lack of ambition was there then, for all to see. The wider public could see the Stapleton regime had no ambition other than to line their own pockets and 'enjoy the ride'.

Once you stop trying to go further, you inevitably decline.

Superb post Cornysteve and of course the usual suspects!!

Just watching SSN at the KC Stadium.

No alleyway or ice rink................. poor fekkers, they'll never get anywhere

Believe it or not, an imax cinema is quite a high profile attraction although, those who would use it are a very small part of the cinema going market. It's close to £30 a ticket. I am surprised Vue didn't put an imax screen in when they built the complex in Coxside. I'll use it - once.

Ice rink - I wouldn't use it but my kids might and it will get a lot of use. The Pavillions ice rink was over subscribed and it was used.

Hotel - I don't care but with a linked conference centre, it's wise. We do get high profile conferences down here. GMB recently. It's a shame the airport's gone though.

For me though, it's all about the stadium. I agree with most of the OP - thanks for a refreshing post. I would have liked the Pres to have expressed something similar. He's sold out though.

I have no problem with an ice rink, cinema or even a hotel but not at the expense of PAFC and not at the expense of land at Central Park. If the City does indeed needs these facilities than fine, build them but build them somewhere else.

A couple of years ago Jones was stating time after time the significance of having a respectably sized football club in the City and how vital it was to the City economy and Councillors were queuing up to agree with him, what changed their minds?

I agree with that GOB.

I think the difference now is that the stadium in the Championship was far more important to local politics than a stadium in League 2. Add to that, the current financial position we're in at PCC. That isn't actually our making, it's come from central Government - we've been reducing spend everywhere before the credit crunch hit and before the banks collapsed and we're in a very good position compared to other local Authorities but it's still bad. I'd love a publically funded stadium used by not just the club but the community as a whole but there isn't enough in the pot to provide that.

James Brent is fully aware of this and he's speculating to accumulate.

It's feckin depressing.

Hi cornysteve,

Great post. Nothing wrong with being educated. Or wanking.
Anyway, as momentum appears to be with Brent now, and as pasoti is a stench filled pit of duplicity, self promotion and sychophantism, perhaps we should alert those journos at Private Eye, who I understand have been taking a keen interest in all things Brent for some time. Perhaps a feature in the "Rotten Boroughs" section of his dealings with pcc is just what is required. That will feck off that vain bastard Tudor feckin Evans no end. If nothing else its throwing the type of shit that sticks.

Anyone keen on generating a "group" email from ATD which raises our concerns of the conflict of interest, stealing land, broken promises etc etc etc. Worth a punt, who knows they may find something illegal...

sounds good NZ

Many individual letters would be better...

I think we have to try whatever we can to stop this development as it stands.

I'm rather hoping that the Trust will take a leading role and rally the troops under the Trust banner.

I'd suggest we start with something that will lsten
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