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PostSubject: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 7:57 pm

Maybe this is what you are all interested in: www(dot)anonymous1971(dot)wordpress(dot)com/2013/02/07/2/ Replace (dot) with .
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 7:58 pm

its quite clear mutliples are infesting again
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:08 pm

23/01/2013 23:49:02: Me: Your getting a kicking on pasoti and ATd I see.
24/01/2013 10:47:46: Ian Newell: ……and I care?
24/01/2013 11:25:49: Me: No. But I think you enjoy it.
24/01/2013 11:26:43: Ian Newell: Not really, particularly as people compare meme to you. Now that really hurts!
24/01/2013 11:27:05: Me: Lol. Your lower than me Ian.
24/01/2013 11:27:50: Ian Newell: In the food chain or Internet bad boys?
24/01/2013 11:28:35: Me: Oh if we are talking Internet I think you take the crown for the most hated
24/01/2013 11:29:06: Ian Newell: Haha, I think Webby is trying.
24/01/2013 11:29:15: Me: Why
24/01/2013 11:29:47: Ian Newell: They don’t like him much on the scum site, as in ATDHD
24/01/2013 11:30:04: Me: He has gone to ground. Best thing he could have done to be fair.
24/01/2013 11:30:53: Ian Newell: I’m pulling off Pasoti now, I’ve had my say to the freaks.
24/01/2013 11:32:22: Me: For how long this time. I only read pasoti and ATd for first time in about 6 weeks the other night.
24/01/2013 11:39:25: Me: You can’t kid a kidder Ian. You love stirring it up on line. I know you deny this in public. But I don’t buy it.
24/01/2013 11:39:48: Me: We made of the same stuff as far as that’s concerned.
24/01/2013 13:22:46: Ian Newell: Disagree, you like winding anyone up, I simply react to wankers. On that subject, where’s Slyman gone?
24/01/2013 13:26:01: Me: Yeh but your forever denying you have played games etc etc. when me and you both know you have. Now you react to people who react to your messing about. Vicious cycle. Well could be vicious depending on your point of view. In regards slyman. Over the side down mount wise hopefully.
24/01/2013 13:28:27: Ian Newell: The only game I’ve played was closing down the old site, which was gone anyway really and ADT which was fun! Did you feck that up, I never saw all the bad stuff that was said to be on there.
24/01/2013 13:29:24: Me: I didn’t write anything that was anything worse than anyone else.
24/01/2013 13:29:50: Me: But I see you done your best to blame me for that
24/01/2013 13:31:00: Ian Newell: Peado stuff etc. I assumed it was you, as it carried on from that shite from Slyman.

I never ever saw anything nasty in the 48 hrs when it was up.
24/01/2013 13:31:20: Me: I don’t talk about peado stuff.
24/01/2013 13:31:26: Me: Mrs would kill me
24/01/2013 13:31:45: Ian Newell: Did you see snything bad on there?
24/01/2013 13:32:07: Me: A lot of it was bad
24/01/2013 13:32:21: Ian Newell: Like?
24/01/2013 13:32:36: Me: Don’t remember specifics now.
24/01/2013 13:33:34: Ian Newell: I repeat some evil piss taking but never anything nasty that I saw.
24/01/2013 13:39:35: Me: I have nothing against you personally. I know your a marked man by many. But I just don’t fall for your denials. Etc
24/01/2013 13:43:21: Ian Newell: That’s your choice. You’re no different than other ‘smoke without fire’ people though. 3% truth and 97% added on. Never popped at anyone ‘innocent’. Al freaks on t’net, the ones that won’t meet are the freaks though!’
24/01/2013 13:44:32: Me: I’d meet.
24/01/2013 13:44:37: Me: I’m no freak
24/01/2013 13:45:32: Ian Newell: We’ve met and that’s why I know you’re not. A cnut yes, freak no! Haha.
24/01/2013 13:45:55: Me: Lol. Harsh. I don’t even think in a cnut lol.
24/01/2013 13:46:27: Ian Newell: Liverpool fan turned plastic Manc, you must be!
24/01/2013 13:46:43: Me: That’s not true. It’s a stitch up
24/01/2013 13:47:05: Ian Newell: feck off I’ve seen the picture!
24/01/2013 13:47:16: Me: What picture ?
24/01/2013 13:47:39: Ian Newell: You in a Liverpool shirt!
24/01/2013 13:47:54: Me: Well I’d like to see that
24/01/2013 13:48:08: Ian Newell: Ask Daz!!
24/01/2013 13:48:40: Me: Ok yeh ok
24/01/2013 13:50:36: Me: So how we gonna bring down ATd then
24/01/2013 13:51:05: Ian Newell: I’m saying nothing!
24/01/2013 13:51:54: Me: Shall we meet and discuss, create a master plan
24/01/2013 13:52:35: Ian Newell: I think ATD is fine, at least all the freaks are in one place!
24/01/2013 13:52:58: Me: Come on Ian. You know you want to piss them off
24/01/2013 13:54:16: Me: Can you get me back on pasoti ?
24/01/2013 13:54:19: Ian Newell: No mate I don’t, they are feck all to me on line. Now if I ever see the fuckers, I’d rip them a new arsehole, but that’s too normal for them.
24/01/2013 13:54:41: Ian Newell: feck off! I’m not even on it.
24/01/2013 13:54:55: Me: But you know the mods
24/01/2013 13:55:12: Me: Probs still one yourself and I read you own pasoti
24/01/2013 13:55:30: Ian Newell: Posty detests you mate, not a chance.
24/01/2013 13:55:45: Me: He doesn’t even know me
24/01/2013 13:55:48: Me: Never met me
24/01/2013 13:56:37: Ian Newell: I do own it, but I don’t moderate it. I earn all the money from every hit. The more the aggro, the more money I earn!
24/01/2013 13:57:23: Me: Is it much ?
24/01/2013 13:58:22: Me: You surely don’t get paid for every hit ?
24/01/2013 14:07:08: Ian Newell: Not much, £261 last week, and that was a good week!
24/01/2013 14:07:22: Me: Are you on a wind up
24/01/2013 14:07:34: Ian Newell: No why?
24/01/2013 14:08:09: Me: Why would you tell me. When people online are searching for this answer and no one will tell them
24/01/2013 14:08:58: Ian Newell: Loads of adverts. £450 per advert per year and then fractions of a penny each time sonrone links to them.
24/01/2013 14:09:22: Ian Newell: I trust you !
24/01/2013 14:10:09: Me: Ok. If that’s the case Who was Windsor boy
24/01/2013 20:08:27: Me: ??
25/01/2013 08:25:26: Ian Newell: Ridsdale!
25/01/2013 08:28:01: Me: Yeh right
25/01/2013 08:28:28: Me: That’s a cover up if there ever was one.
25/01/2013 08:28:48: Ian Newell: Exactly, but we were at war!
25/01/2013 08:29:13: Me: Lol
25/01/2013 08:29:17: Me: So who was it
25/01/2013 08:34:09: Ian Newell: You know it’s true!
25/01/2013 08:34:22: Me: Do I ?
25/01/2013 08:36:01: Ian Newell: Yep.
25/01/2013 08:36:52: Me: He slagged off some fans
25/01/2013 08:37:33: Ian Newell: It was the anti Guilfoyle stuff that was dodgy!
25/01/2013 08:38:29: Me: Has Brent told you to calm it down online ?
25/01/2013 08:39:19: Ian Newell: Nope, never has. Never will. He’s a mate not my boss.
25/01/2013 08:40:03: Me: Yeh but if you like it or not. Your seen as a representative of the club
25/01/2013 08:43:57: Ian Newell: I represent myself. No one else, never will. If they don’t like it, tough, I’m a fan, that’s all.
25/01/2013 08:44:30: Me: Sit with the fans then ?
25/01/2013 08:56:35: Ian Newell: Mate, every week I take four fans into the DB and Biardroom. Each game, different people, so how many have I given the day of their life to? I do what I do?
25/01/2013 09:20:34: Ian Newell: That’s REAL fans obviously!
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:10 pm

25/01/2013 10:34:22: Me: Yeh fair one.
25/01/2013 15:56:09: Me: Your still a online warrior who gets a buzz from being contravertial
25/01/2013 15:57:21: Ian Newell: I’m not mate, don’t tar me with your affliction. It does put money in my pocket though.
25/01/2013 15:57:44: Me: See even you saying that is a game.
25/01/2013 15:57:57: Me: You want me to go off and leak that
25/01/2013 15:58:10: Ian Newell: Game? Money? Never!
25/01/2013 15:59:46: Me: Rickler has a dossier on you lol
25/01/2013 16:00:31: Ian Newell: Two, I’ve heard!
25/01/2013 16:00:40: Me: 2 ?
25/01/2013 16:08:02: Me: So if your the owner of pasoti , you have access to the admin board at all times
25/01/2013 16:08:48: Me: And that explains why you have multis and nothing done about it ?
25/01/2013 16:11:40: Ian Newell: I have no multistage
25/01/2013 16:11:48: Ian Newell: Multis
25/01/2013 16:12:04: Me: You did tho
25/01/2013 16:12:39: Ian Newell: Only ever one, like most, not all of the Mods Chris was Derrek Sanderson.
25/01/2013 16:13:32: Ian Newell: Hence me getting upset at Babatwat who had loads on the go and wound people up with them and the n banned them. I never did that
25/01/2013 16:14:21: Ian Newell: Think about it, why gave a multi to be nasty with? I was nasty as IJN. See my point!
25/01/2013 16:14:38: Me: Yeh
25/01/2013 16:15:17: Ian Newell: Mill ridge Mike was Michael De Clerc and he ripped into the Trust, never been sussed.
25/01/2013 16:15:42: Ian Newell: I meanwhile was 100% behind the trust.
25/01/2013 16:16:08: Ian Newell: When I quit, they removed the Trust Forum right away!
25/01/2013 16:17:45: Ian Newell: All this bollox about DT being anti is utter crap. I gave Wozzer the password so he could get his bit in about certain wankers working behind the Chairman’s back.
25/01/2013 16:18:51: Me: Yeh but you did stitch wozzer a bit
25/01/2013 16:19:22: Me: Made it public without saying his name
25/01/2013 16:19:30: Me: So he had to come clean
25/01/2013 16:21:32: Me: Who else posted as deep throat ?
25/01/2013 16:22:08: Ian Newell: 100% the other way. He kept on and on for about 2 weeks. I finally gave in, and when it hit the fan, he went missing. I like the bloke but he he has been cowardly as far as I’m concerned.
25/01/2013 16:22:33: Ian Newell: No one!
25/01/2013 16:22:53: Me: How can you say he is cowardly. He publicly apoligised
25/01/2013 16:22:59: Me: Took the hit.
25/01/2013 16:23:19: Me: So it was just you woz and Jameson who posted as dt ?
25/01/2013 16:24:27: Ian Newell: He knows the truth, he knows I took the shit for him and still am. People talk as if I lured Woz into a trap to discredit the AFT, when Woz really, really nagged me into it.
25/01/2013 16:25:37: Me: I think he took his fair share of shit over it.
25/01/2013 16:26:31: Ian Newell: DT’s were me, Ponty, Postey all proper rumour stuff. I used it again to make a bid for myself, Webby to pop at Guilfoyle, Lee who DID misuse it and Wozzer who only used it to tell people that he was being stitched!
25/01/2013 16:27:24: Ian Newell: feck off, Woz has got off so lightly.
25/01/2013 16:28:16: Me: Hmmm
25/01/2013 16:28:54: Me: I’m not sure he liked it when at cricket training I got my dick out and asked him if he wanted to deep throat me
25/01/2013 16:30:37: Ian Newell: That proves he has taste not that he’s been cowardly about this. Now don’t FFS tell him I’ve said he’s a coward, I repeat he’s been cowardly in my opinion about his involvement in DT.
25/01/2013 16:32:00: Me: He was in a tricky position to be fair at the time.
25/01/2013 16:32:46: Ian Newell: Lee was the real offender, I’ve had a word months and months ago. It’s pet with though and the AFT brigade being it up because they are woeful.

They all fancied the job because Chris made it very important, now it’s a feckin laugh. Who cares, do you?
25/01/2013 16:34:10: Ian Newell: Woz was, but he bottled it. I stood up, admitted it, emresigned from Modship and took the shit. I can live with all that but in my book, Woz ran.
25/01/2013 16:34:47: Me: I don’t care really. I just enjoy watching you all get your knickers in a twist because no one trusts each other. All would sale your own mothers up the river and stab each other in the back.
25/01/2013 16:35:19: Me: Was resigned from the trust over it. Did he not ?
25/01/2013 16:36:05: Me: Woz
25/01/2013 16:36:35: Me: Sail
25/01/2013 16:36:56: Ian Newell: Meeting
25/01/2013 16:37:39: Me: What ?
25/01/2013 16:56:11: Me: I know your on a wind up. Windsor boy was not risdale. It was Webb. Fact.
25/01/2013 17:22:39: Ian Newell: Haha, that’s what makes me laugh. You ATD lookers all believe that. Yet the truth is far more exciting bit in their haste to kick Webb/Newell even more they overlook everything.
25/01/2013 17:24:48: Ian Newell: As an example, I lied abot Chris being DT as if we’d sdmitted why had been, the first thing the freaks would do is to tell Brenda. He and I did done naughty shit during the war, but the do goody types would not understand that.
25/01/2013 17:26:17: Ian Newell: We had the police visiting us on a number of occasions for different things. It was a buzz I must admit.
25/01/2013 17:27:06: Ian Newell: Without me on the inside of Pasoti, I don’t think we would have been half so effective.
25/01/2013 17:27:27: Me: Ur talking shit. Webb admitted it
25/01/2013 17:27:46: Ian Newell: Admitted what?
25/01/2013 17:28:05: Me: That he was Windsor boy. Verbally
25/01/2013 17:28:58: Ian Newell: Nah. Never was, he’s a WUM if he did.
25/01/2013 17:29:36: Me: Wum ?
25/01/2013 17:30:25: Ian Newell: Wind up merchant. feck me, if anyone should know that, it’s YOU.
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25/01/2013 17:30:49: Ian Newell: You know who Hairy J is don’t you?
25/01/2013 17:36:20: Me: No I don’t.
25/01/2013 17:37:23: Ian Newell: He had to protect Riddler from the Trust, come on man, think about it.
25/01/2013 17:38:01: Me: Maybe I’m not as deceit full as you lor
25/01/2013 17:38:04: Me: Lot
25/01/2013 17:40:18: Ian Newell: Nothing to do with deceit, our club was at risk. FFS you’d have been no use in WW2 would you? Excuse me Sir I don’t think we should upset the Germans, they may attack us!!!

Them or us and we won!
25/01/2013 17:41:42: Me: Windsor boy attacked argyle fans too
25/01/2013 17:42:00: Ian Newell: And? Most deserve it.
25/01/2013 17:46:08: Me: If it was an us and them situation why was there a need to attack argyle fans
25/01/2013 17:46:57: Me: There’s no need to get on the phone to wozzer either
25/01/2013 18:17:55: Ian Newell: Wanted to explain to him before you got there
25/01/2013 18:18:11: Me: Explain what ?
25/01/2013 18:18:30: Ian Newell: What you were going to tell him
25/01/2013 18:18:55: Me: I wasn’t gonna tell him anything.
25/01/2013 18:19:06: Me: He rang me before speaking you anyway.
25/01/2013 18:19:10: Me: I didn’t say anything
25/01/2013 18:19:17: Ian Newell: He knows about Riddler
25/01/2013 18:23:28: Me: You mean Webb
25/01/2013 18:24:24: Ian Newell: So why would Webby pop at fans? Using your logic!
25/01/2013 18:24:54: Me: Not a clue.
25/01/2013 18:25:01: Me: Why did it happen at all
25/01/2013 18:25:07: Ian Newell: What?
25/01/2013 18:26:08: Me: Why did the Windsor boy account have a pop at argyle fans
25/01/2013 18:27:35: Ian Newell: I can’t honestly remember what he said and to who. Probably because loads of fans were popping at him. As I say, look at the obvious not what ADT tell you to think.
25/01/2013 18:27:53: Me: I’m not on ATd.
25/01/2013 18:28:17: Me: I have read pasoti and ATd once in about 6-8 weeks
25/01/2013 18:28:58: Ian Newell: Did I say you we’re? That’s part of the problem. People should read what others are saying, and not what they think they are saying.
25/01/2013 20:47:48: Me: Who is hairy j then ?
25/01/2013 20:48:36: Ian Newell: No way!
25/01/2013 20:48:53: Me: Why not
25/01/2013 20:49:26: Me: Tell me verbally ?
25/01/2013 20:51:04: Me: Darren purse?
25/01/2013 21:00:20: Ian Newell: Warmer!
25/01/2013 21:06:19: Me: Wotton ?
26/01/2013 09:16:15: Me: Come on then Ian. If you trust me who is hairyj.
26/01/2013 09:17:03: Me: Wotton.
26/01/2013 09:17:07: Me: Fletcher
26/01/2013 09:17:10: Me: Brent
26/01/2013 20:18:00: Me: So then. …..
26/01/2013 20:18:06: Me: Hairyj.
26/01/2013 20:18:11: Me: Let’s have it
28/01/2013 13:23:02: Me: Hi there
28/01/2013 13:23:14: Me: Shall we pick up where we left off ?
29/01/2013 13:19:18: Me: ????
05/02/2013 14:18:02: Me: Hairy j ?
05/02/2013 15:40:16: Ian Newell: Come on it’s obvious now he’s banned.
05/02/2013 15:40:34: Me: Not to me it’s not
05/02/2013 15:58:00: Ian Newell:
05/02/2013 16:01:37: Me: I’m not as up to speed with all the goings on as others. I have a life away from argyle Internet sites
05/02/2013 16:02:40: Ian Newell: Mind your own feckin business then!
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:13 pm

What a ton of old crap lol!
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05/02/2013 16:03:31: Me: Your the one who highlighted and made a issue of who hairy j is. I’m like a dog with a bone now. Come on tell me who e is
05/02/2013 16:03:53: Me: Or don’t you know. And was just trying to find out off me
05/02/2013 16:05:59: Ian Newell: Oh I know and if it got out the place would erupt. Let’s leave it there, it’s not important. I really don’t care a shit.
05/02/2013 17:11:50: Me: Come on. It won’t get out. Will u tell me verbally if I call ?
05/02/2013 17:23:46: Me: Can I publish this convo ?
05/02/2013 17:23:46: Ian Newell: Do what you like!
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:15 pm

Hairy J is a multi now Laughing

Either Newell is a compulsive liar and can't help himself or he's played a blinder here.
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:16 pm

Somebody's been busy lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:17 pm

how long did it take to type all that crap out? lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:19 pm

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how long did it take to type all that crap out? lol!

Surely if it were real we'd have screenshot evidence and not a transcript which any sad act could type out Laughing

Derek Sanderson was Webb apparently, it's widely known that Sanderson was Soper he even admitted to it.

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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:26 pm

I've no doubt that its real.

You can tell that it is Newell - the talk of a pathological lying mental midget can't be faked.
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:27 pm

I think Newell is playing Lost_In_France (if you hadn't guessed who L-I_F is yet) and much of what he has said is a wind up.

Angry_Soper has already admitted to being Derrick Sanderson so why would Newell now say its Chris (webb)?

I've never met hairy, but I think its an attempt to wind people up into thinking he's someone like Jones etc when he is a normal fan.

Ridsdale is Windsor Boy- no feckin chance. Why would Ridsdale want to go on pasoti and post bile when he is at Preston? makes no sense- he joined Preston in December 2011, all the windsor boy crap was March 2012 onwards.
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:28 pm

And if Hairy is a plant what does that make sensible?
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:30 pm

Frank Bullitt wrote:
And if Hairy is a plant what does that make sensible?

A tree?
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:31 pm

Chemical Ali wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
And if Hairy is a plant what does that make sensible?

A tree?

Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:34 pm

Not saying what is written isn't a load of tripe or a wind up..

But what was written, I believe was written by Newell - however way you cut it, it just goes to show what a whack job he is!
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:34 pm

It must have taken ages to type all that crap out so someone has a feked marriage and a shyte sex life lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:45 pm

I would say that Nool was stringing Dane along like a good un Razz

Hairy J, and his father Sensiblegreeny who I know from other forums, is someone we all know DUM DUM DUM

In fact I believe I have a photo of Hairy J somewhere, but I wouldn't post it without his permission.

Nool will laugh it off as bullshit, made up to show Dane up, but I do wonder why he has a pop at Wozzer. Bit cowardly lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:48 pm

I hope this doesn't happen

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24/01/2013 13:54:19: Ian Newell: No mate I don’t, they are feck all to me on line. Now if I ever see the fuckers, I’d rip them a new arsehole, but that’s too normal for them.


Sounds painful.
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:49 pm

Frank Bullitt wrote:
I hope this doesn't happen

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24/01/2013 13:54:19: Ian Newell: No mate I don’t, they are feck all to me on line. Now if I ever see the fuckers, I’d rip them a new arsehole, but that’s too normal for them.


Sounds painful.

and this boy is a club representative!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:51 pm

The most shocking line in there is that albino does cricket training. I've played against him several times and if he trains and is still that poor he should give it up lol!
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Jon L wrote:
The most shocking line in there is that albino does cricket training. I've played against him several times and if he trains and is still that poor he should give it up lol!

lol! lol! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 8:54 pm

Jon L wrote:
The most shocking line in there is that albino does cricket training. I've played against him several times and if he trains and is still that poor he should give it up lol!

I feel sorry for Wozzer.

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25/01/2013 16:28:54: Me: I’m not sure he liked it when at cricket training I got my dick out and asked him if he wanted to deep throat me
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PostSubject: Re: Read All About It Again   Read All About It Again EmptyThu Feb 07, 2013 9:41 pm

This bit is interesting-

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24/01/2013 13:28:27: Ian Newell: The only game I’ve played was closing down the old site, which was gone anyway really and ADT which was fun! Did you feck that up, I never saw all the bad stuff that was said to be on there.

Newell told Knecht and I, at the sponsors lunch, that he closed the ADT website down when he saw all the bad stuff on there- why is he telling different stories on this? Something to hide. He also said Dane was sick and loved accusing people of being paedophiles- and told us some story about Dane having texts about/ from someone regarding paedophilia.
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