Why?

Now that much of this disgrace is out in the open I think the next question has to be, what was the motivation, why?

Was it done for financial gain? – Answers really do need to be provided along with a resignation or two or three.

I know that others have discussed it in the past but maybe now the press really should be involved?

If as it seems and James Brent is aware of this behavior and it seems extremely likely that he is considering his relationship with the characters involved, then it would be appropriate for Council Tax payers to be made aware considering the business dealings that PCC have with James Brent.

good luck with that Gob, i think you will find 'Saint' James is teflon.

Even teflon comes unstuck if you scrub it hard.

Lord Aviva wrote:

good luck with that Gob, i think you will find 'Saint' James is teflon.

Yep........... think it's more a case of his jamboys trying to keep the natives under control to safeguard their own AAA passes.

No flies on Brent Sahib.

Nothing to see here. Move on.

Tring, we've been asking and probing for years, if it takes a few more years to get to the bottom of Brent's plans then so be it eh!

If the motivation is to see individuals you have a personal dislike for to be publicly spanked, humiliated, shamed and destroyed, it's probably not a great idea - hate begets hate.

If it's for the greater good, it's ok.

Essentially why GOB?

This isn't a personal attack on you - you're an ok geezer in my book but have you looked at this objectively? Whistle blowing is a very grey area and if you become a whistle blower, the fall out often isn't nice at all. I've done it before and although I was vindicated in the end, it wasn't a very enjoyable period of my life.

hairy j wrote:

If the motivation is to see individuals you have a personal dislike for to be publicly spanked, humiliated, shamed and destroyed, it's probably not a great idea - hate begets hate.

If it's for the greater good, it's ok.

Essentially why GOB?

This isn't a personal attack on you - you're an ok geezer in my book but have you looked at this objectively? Whistle blowing is a very grey area and if you become a whistle blower, the fall out often isn't nice at all. I've done it before and although I was vindicated in the end, it wasn't a very enjoyable period of my life.

I don't take that as personal at all Hairy.

Believe it or not I'm really not that vindictive but without playing the moral high ground, I do like to see justice. I dislike intensely bullies and I have seen Newell & Co. for far to long bully and manipulate men, women and even children.

However, I'm not concerned about Newell, Webb, Jones etc. I'm a great believer in what goes around comes around and they will reap their rewards and I have never had any dealing with Brent, met or know the man.

Having witnessed the games played out on here with private detectives employed to spy on Jo public, character assassinations, secret Flkr accounts etc etc etc. it's an incredible and long list, I think that our councilors and the public should be provided with the information regarding the activities of James Brent's associates and friends.

How about you Hairy, what's your opinion regarding this?

My opinion is that I doubt the relationship IJN portrays between himself and James Brent is as close as IJN likes people to believe it is. He's obviously star struck and I don't think someone without any cash to put into the club (different than the charity auctions) will have any influence upon a multi-millionaire with business interests that are diverse and effect hundreds of people (the people paid by Akkeron/Brent).

At the moment, IJN serves a purpose with raising money for staff payments. When that runs its course, IJN will no doubt be surplus to requirements. Any business would accept financial relief from its customers and IJN is providing that.

The Fanfests are much maligned on here but if there was a higher bidder for that tent on a matchday, the Fanfests would probably stop - at the moment, it's regular, assured income where there is no alternative.

The GT coaches are another thing. They're organised by volunteers - something else the club doesn't have to organise - they save money providing something the club would be expected to provide in normal circumstances.

Sitting in the Directors box? If you go to a home game, the box is usually near empty - IJN tends to sit right at the back nowhere near James Brent.

It's more likely to be toleration than friendship. Toleration doesn't last very long.

Brent will eventually sell the club too - a new owner in the football World wouldn't allow a fan this close. Can you imagine Ken Bates allowing or tolerating any of it?

I will add, that's just how I see it and it isn't an INTERNET FACT. I might be completely wrong.

Essentially usefull idiots ???

Lord Aviva wrote:

Essentially usefull idiots ???

The amount IJN has helped to raise is actually quite amazing and getting Nikkkkkkkkkkkkkk involved was a stroke of genius. Ian might be a complete loon on the internet but he's done something with the fund raising most people couldn't do.

Hate his guts if you like but that's one thing you can't take away from him and an idiot couldn't have done it.

The relationship seems to be that Ian provides something for Brent and Brent allows him to be fantasy Director - it's a win/win for both of them at the moment.

Anything that happens will happen quietly, contrary to hairy belief I don't even own a pitchfork. As for why? It's just a power trip, IJN likes to bully and control people, he's been allowed to get away with it in the playground, the workplace and now the internet but in the end the Nerds won. I don't include you in that Hairy, that's a first.

Iggy wrote:

Anything that happens will happen quietly, contrary to hairy belief I don't even own a pitchfork. As for why? It's just a power trip, IJN likes to bully and control people, he's been allowed to get away with it in the playground, the workplace and now the internet but in the end the Nerds won. I don't include you in that Hairy, that's a first.

IJN has been bullying, silencing and deceiving people on the internet for years. He is the chief reason ATD exists. Had he not been quite so controlling and quite so devious, he'd probably not have been found out. The fact that he simply won't tolerate other points of view and has been on a mission to 'be someone' at Home Park for several years has led him into so much mischief that he now seems to actually believe he has done nothing wrong.
'It's only the internet. It's not real people'.

His well publicised , charitable acts, whilst appreciated by many recipients , are as much designed to put him where he wants to be as they are to help others.

If he was truly a club man he would walk away from Pasoti and encourage his friends to do the honourable thing.
For it to retain any trust or credibility Paoti has to be run openly for all fans within the law and be democratic in its management.

The very fact that this has been dismissed out of hand by the moderating team and recently they won't even respond to questioning over the issue, says it all.
These individuals believe they have a right to control others.What other reason for the silence could there be ?

I just read that thinking it was Hairys reply, maybe he has me on ignore as well? I have to agree with everything that you say. If Pedlar was to instigate the free elections then he would be lauded as a hero, maybe he has done so and it's Ponty and Postey that want to cling onto the power and know that their arses will be booted out in an election? Control of the plebs is what it is all about, these people love the power, it may only be real in their own bedrooms but it is power non the less.

I dont hate them. I am angry at the level of deceit from so called persons in 'position'.
The 'Compliant fan base' is coming to a close.

However, the VAST majority of funds raised have come from NIkki.
A good thing too for the staff fund that he is too.

But its his money though, who's to say Nikki would not have contibuted by his own verition?

I think you just about nailed it there Hairy.

Was Nikk conveniently introduced to Newell or did Newell know of him prior to the creating this mess?

Does PAFC still have a commercial and marketing department - if so, then are they making and maintaining business relationships. Or is IJN that department? Nikkk via IJN has undoubtedly done masses for the club - but there must be similar contacts out there looking to raise their profile through the club.

I personally think that James Brent has very little knowledge of the internet twattery and I think would be appauled if he knew what his 'driver' and 'presibent' had been doing.

I do think that one member of the PAFC board is fully aware of what has been going on and this board member has also been involved in Multi accounts and fake blogs.

This board member and Newell previously had a mutual dislike, but now seem to be closely alligned- was this something that developed from the CP days?

If some events such as Peggy's removal from the programme are looked at we have newell (who has a mutual dislike with peggy), Webb (again there were issues between Webb and Peggy regarding the siting of FV, and Webb has been proven to be the driving force behing getting Peggy removed) and finally the Board Member (who made the final decision on removing Peggy).

The three are as thick as thieves, all using Multi accounts, setting up fake websites (Don't think Webb was involved in this) and attacking the Trust and individuals. Two of the three have been proven to be economical with the truth- by their own admission.

The three need to be removed from the club as quickly as possible.

I would just also like to repeat my views on the complete slimeball who was windsor boy whose treatment of an Argyle fan with a terminal illness was shocking and disgraceful. That person is a CoWard and deserves a life ban from Home Park for their disgusting actions.

GOB wrote:

I think you just about nailed it there Hairy.

Was Nikk conveniently introduced to Newell or did Newell know of him prior to the creating this mess?

I'm wondering whether Nikk and JB have some sort of previous history- possibly at Citibank?

Nikkk does come over as a decent bloke, but seems to have been led up the garden path by IJN.

Chemical Ali wrote:

GOB wrote:

I think you just about nailed it there Hairy.

Was Nikk conveniently introduced to Newell or did Newell know of him prior to the creating this mess?

I'm wondering whether Nikk and JB have some sort of previous history- possibly at Citibank?

Nikkk does come over as a decent bloke, but seems to have been led up the garden path by IJN.

Yup I was wondering the same, I have a feeling it wasn't Newell's idea to involve Nikk.

It's a pity Nikk is no longer here, we could have asked him.

Chemical Ali wrote:

GOB wrote:

I think you just about nailed it there Hairy.

Was Nikk conveniently introduced to Newell or did Newell know of him prior to the creating this mess?

I'm wondering whether Nikk and JB have some sort of previous history- possibly at Citibank?

Nikkk does come over as a decent bloke, but seems to have been led up the garden path by IJN.

Nikkk has given loads of doh to the club, that can't be denied but decent bloke? we only have Newells word for that and about two nights on here when he was trying to convince everybody he isn't a loan shark, I always reserve judgment on people until I know them and nobody really knows Nikkkk.

Just out of interest is it common knowledge of where all these auction items came from?
I seem to remember reading somewhere, that there was an idea that the funds to obtain these items had come from the club. It couldn't have been cheap obtaining all those items in the first place or am I totally wrong in thinking this?

mcfry wrote:

Just out of interest is it common knowledge of where all these auction items came from?
I seem to remember reading somewhere, that there was an idea that the funds to obtain these items had come from the club. It couldn't have been cheap obtaining all those items in the first place or am I totally wrong in thinking this?

I've asked this too but there hasn't been an answer. Perhaps someone could ask on the pasoti hijack thread?

Lord Aviva wrote:

But its his money though, who's to say Nikki would not have contibuted by his own verition?

I had no idea he was involved in Verition, that puts him on a whole different level.

Nikkk has previously shown interest in being on the BoD which came to silence.

Since then Nikkk (and his company) have invested via sponsorship some much needed funds directly into PAFC. Nikkk (alone?) has also gifted via auctions etc a considerable amount, assumedly direct to the GTs (who stand to become the clubs largest creditors sometime in the future at their current fundraising rate).

We still know very little about thje GTs except they're working very hard to help the hard working staff who went unpaid, just a pity the program seller wont get paid up any sooner than Maclean.

We all know Nool's a tw@ but even he has exceeded all expectations of tw@tery and IMO has been played and used. We all know Webb sat in the same boat while fishing.


Who's left, oh yeah PJ. I find it hard to believe he'd settle for just being a shareless Director with no financial reward unless he REALly had the club's best interests at heart (which it REALly appears he doesn't). Is he a paid Director?, Affiliated with Nikkk or the GTs? Fecked if I know, he's a clever man though.

Of course I'm just guessing. There's people on this site and elsewhere who know far more factuals, IMO