was it true

Penzance wrote:

I never believed the locals excuse that they didn't know what was going on... they were gambling ... pure and simple. My cat could understand the profit and loss goings on at Home Park over the last few years, and yet we're supposed to think these business men didn't know.
I have no problem with administrations or bankrutcy. That happens in business, but it shouldn't be the case these people exit with their own wealth intact, while the small fish and employees suffer. Where is the admission that the likes of Gardner, Todd and Wrathall did wrong ? where is the contrition

Ne'er do well 'chavs' shoplifting a few pounds of cheese are expected to pour out the contrition through the courts to the good and haughty, so why are these gambilng businessmen that cause untold misery for working people not seen in the same light ?

Just because we've got rid of those rich goons having a flutter on a parochial football club, doesn't mean we're any better off.
In fact, just google any of Brent's property comments and history with Citigroup and it's real estate gambling disaster while he was a big man there, in the US that resulted in a 50 billion dollar bail out from the US government ... and yet not a penny of guilt from the embedded multi millionaire employee of the modern global executive class, as he left the debacle to pursue his childhood dream... life's just one long hoot. Just look at some of his comments on that sort of business, and I note he says he's now into meddling with global agriculture ... something Oxfam has just said is going the same way .... " food markets were supposed to be an exchange for farmers, not a global casino for the rich and corporate".
I'm sure god will bless 'James' and Wrathall alike up at Home Park, while the feckless fans are routinely bad mouthed.

Welcome back, young man. In awe!

tcm wrote:

love you too jock 51 on november the 7th,,dnt realy know what i want but anything to do with cider would be nice

I'll send you Grannie Smith, you'll know what to do with her

JonB wrote:

tcm wrote:

love you too jock 51 on november the 7th,,dnt realy know what i want but anything to do with cider would be nice

Could I join in? A cider tasting event perhaps??

ofcourse jon

Greenjock wrote:

tcm wrote:

love you too jock 51 on november the 7th,,dnt realy know what i want but anything to do with cider would be nice

I'll send you Grannie Smith, you'll know what to do with her

i love that porn site,,,,plenty of tips

Greenjock wrote:

tcm wrote:

love you too jock 51 on november the 7th,,dnt realy know what i want but anything to do with cider would be nice

I'll send you Grannie Smith, you'll know what to do with her

I married the best apple she is my Red Delicious

Ffarquhar wrote:

My gut instinct is that Wrathall wasn't aware of the extent of the problems at the club. As Mike has said he was a real, or is that REAL fan. I'm led to believe the only real fan of the 7

Still not sure about Stapleton, I just can't believe he's as bad as it appears. Obviously as vice chairman & an accountant he should have known exactly what was happening. I'm guessing he saw the £££ signs with regard to the ridiculous WC bid & went with it.

I'm still convinced the real villians of the 7 were those two London spivs, gardner & todd, asset strippers extraordinaire.

I have no information other than internet surmise. I have little understanding of financial matters. But my guess has always been that Stapleton was a small-town boy who got blinded by the glitter of the money offered by the real villains, Gardner & Todd. They would have known full well what they were doing. How many of us could honestly say - never having been there - that we would have been able to resist the financial possibilities on offer? We may even have convinced ourselves that it was also the right course of action for the club as well. He clearly made BIG mistakes but I have never thought he was the villain of the piece.

I knew Paul a little when I was a teenager - I played in a football team with him - my brothers knew him much better. Neither I nor they had a bad word to say about him.

I spoke to Tony a number of times when he was on the Argyle board of directors, he is a pleasent man. He lost a lot of money just like a lot of busineeses did as a person do I like him, well the answer to that is I neither dislike or like the man because I was never that close to him. Do I have sympathy for all the money he lost no. He was part of the problem that nearly deprived us of a football club. If he pays his money to watch Argyle then that is his business I do however find it hard to swallow that he sponsored yesterday's game whilst the staff are still awating what they are owed.

Keith Todd, I know Keith well, his office is just down the road from mine in London. Do we have long chats no I have asked him on a number of ocassions how did all this happen? He tells me he feels very guilty about the whole situation and so he should. One thing is that both Mr Todd and Sir Roy paid the October and November wages out of there own pockets which they will never get back and rightly so.

If Stapleton had not gone ahead with the New Years or was it Christmas Eve coup I dont think we would ever have gone into Administartion. Sir Roy saw it as an attack on his mate. Again does this make it right no.

In short the Stapleton family should take the majority of blame for the mess the club was in, don't for one moment think Mr Stapleton wears the trousers in his household.

It may be true, Lee, that the terrible twins paid for the October & November wages out of their own pockets. I have no idea. If they did then that is certainly to their credit. I also have no idea what is their combined wealth or what percentage of that wealth it cost them. Neither have I any idea what Paul Stapleton's wealth amounted to or what he is now left with. None of know these details.

And as for your jibe at Mrs Stapleton, what does that contribute to the debate. It's cheap and sexist.

I guess, in the end, it's hot air from all of us. We are where we are. What Mr Brent is doing or isn't doing is of far more importance. I await him meeting his commitment to open-ness in his dealings.

Is there anything actually stopping any of the former directors making a statement about what really did go on?

Is there a DTI investigation or anything imminent or have they all got away scot free?

If there is nothing stopping them from giving an interview to The Herald or whatever, then the local directors keeping silent for all this time probably tells it's own story.

Paul Stapleton did give an extensive interview but he was tied by legal issues that, presumably, meant he wasn't able to be open. There were only generalities exchanged.

I can't remember, wasn't there going to be an investigation by some financial legal body into the whole process including the administration? Does anyone know where that has reached?

I can't be sure but as I understand it the matter is closed. The courts have no interest the DTI can not investigate defunct companies (correct me if wrong).

The only people who know the truth are the M7, however Edd Moores book might reveal a things.

I also remember Mr S telling us at a meeting administration is not an option. At the same meeting Peter Ridsdale treated Paul Stapleton like he was the teaperson.

Mrs Stapleton did seem to lap it up a bit and love the status of being the chairmans wife.

Yea Man wrote:

Mrs Stapleton did seem to lap it up a bit and love the status of being the chairmans wife.

Weight Watchers Wine that always makes me laugh what does not make me laugh was the Notts County game at Christmas when the staff were asked to move there cars.!

Long and boring story.

Lee Jameson wrote:

Yea Man wrote:

Mrs Stapleton did seem to lap it up a bit and love the status of being the chairmans wife.

Weight Watchers Wine that always makes me laugh what does not make me laugh was the Notts County game at Christmas when the staff were asked to move there cars.!

Long and boring story.

Weight watchers wine?? I'm lost

Feel free to share both stories though, i've got nothing else to do this evening and it sounds juicy

Yea Man wrote:

Mrs Stapleton did seem to lap it up a bit and love the status of being the chairmans wife.

Lord and Lady Derriford.

Never a more fitting tribute...

A fast amount of W W W was ordered for Mrs S and her Chums at a considerable cost, it was never drunk, let's face it what is the point of W W W it is also chavey in MHO.

After the staff were told they would not get paid in Decemebr it was alleged that Mrs S ordered the staff to move there cars in to the main car park so her chums could park outside the boardroom. Not a major deal but a kick in the teeth.

Not interested if Todd and Gardner paid the wages. Can't see it being anything other than them trying to give themselves more time to put off the inevitable and save themselves. If they were concerned for the club they would have been better off writing off the Mastpoint debt in full and final settlement.

Lucy was a credit though wasnt she

Renegade wrote:

Lucy was a credit though wasnt she

You know about the Austrian drama?

Lee Jameson wrote:

Renegade wrote:

Lucy was a credit though wasnt she

You know about the Austrian drama?

Lucy wasn't bad looking after a couple

What happened in Austria?

An Argyle supporter who I went to Austria with suggested to Mr Stapleton that his daughter liked proffessional sports players and that she was a fan of Brazil.

Mr Stapleton asked said fan to withdraw the comments, said fan refused so he punched him in the face full on, said fan still refused to make an apology and if it was not for the then Argyle manager he would have be bruised on the other side of his face.

This was witnessed by the press, club photographer and a number of supporters from the London and NDG supporters branches. It was agreed the next day not to mention it again but some person went to the EH and the WMN. It was not me.

To be fair to Paul if it was my daughter I would have reacted the same.

Lee

from what i heard and read on forums it did come across that she was passed around the argyle locker room like a can of lynx at one point. All gossip of course

Renegade wrote:

from what i heard and read on forums it did come across that she was passed around the argyle locker room like a can of lynx at one point. All gossip of course

Maybe she was trying to see which one had the biggest, erm, wallet before settling down for marriage.

Yea Man wrote:

Renegade wrote:

from what i heard and read on forums it did come across that she was passed around the argyle locker room like a can of lynx at one point. All gossip of course

Maybe she was trying to see which one had the biggest, erm, wallet before settling down for marriage.

Obviously it wasnt *******

The good old Duchess of Derriford

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I wonder who was behind this? I suppose they set a good precedent for spoof sites set up to attack people.