PI allegations and response

Greenjock wrote:

Thanks Tony. I have said all along that I did not think for one minute it was you, and I actually wanted to give you the opportunity to clear your name for good.

The part in bold is interesting, as Lee has had several chances to deny any involvement and hasn't, which is very strange if you are innocent of the allegations, and the next part is laughable as Ian Newell has accused you and Lee Jameson to an ATD mod and to Dane Bunney, who will both confirm this if you like. Ian Newell has not been misquoted on thsi occasion, he said outright that Lee Jameson hired you to investigate me, whatever investigating me entails. He also said on Argyletalk.net that the person who had hired the Private Investigator showed him my mothers telephone number on the GT's coach to Morecambe.

Ian Newell is now lying if he has told you that he did not accuse you. Ian Newell who James Brent is quite happy to publicly call his friend, has accused a candidate for the PASB elections of trying to find out where I live and amongst other things has been shown my mothers telephone number. Now a while back an ATD poster called Greenman threatened me by PM and in those PM's said that a gang of thugs from Pasoti had my address from a PI that was hired, and were coming to Wiltshire to sort me out, or words to that effect, he quoted the town I used to live in but then mentioned my 15 month old baby and told me my mothers and sisters name in a threatening manner.

Now I give Ian Newell stick on here, because last year he tried to set me up because he wanted some information made public, but was afraid of the person the information related to. He knew I had a young son and didn't care that this person who he was afraid of, should be angry at me for revealing his name on here and on Pasoti. Pretty cowardly behaviour all round from Newell, but when an ATD mod contacted me to say Newell had called him in a distressed state because I had not only named the person, but said the information had come from Newell. As soon as I knew that Newell might be in physical danger I agreed to have the persons name removed, and even told the ATD mod that the information was on another forum too. This allowed the ATD mod and Newell to get it removed from there too.

I was understandably extremely angry with Newell for placing my family in danger, and after several e-mails between us, Newell agreed to donate a shirt to be auctioned for the charity of my choice, after firstly accusing me of blackmail. I still have the PM's and e-mails from Newell that prove all of this.

I understand that I am an abrasive character and I am critical of the club, but so are many others. Do they have their family threatened? Or Private Investigators hired to find them?

Newell has also admitted to being part of the spoof site ADT, which amongst other things called an ATD poster a whore and a prostitute, an ATD poster who devotes their time to write programme notes for Argyle free of charge. Newell laughs it off and says someone else was responsible for the more disgusting things on that site, which were pretty disgusting, and this is refuted by the person Newell blames.

Ian Newell may well raise large amounts of money with the shirt auctions, which he also has made some claims about that would in my opinion constitute a form of fraud, and I think the poster called Nikkk would be interested to know about, and all of this from "dormant" Pasoti accounts that he still has access to, even though he is no longer a mod on Pasoti.

These are the reasons that I give Ian Newell so much stick, because he has carried out some awful things to me personally, and I have seen evidence of other things he has carried out to other people that show him in an entirely different light to the image he portrays on Pasoti. I aksed him recently what the "mod business" was for him having a photograph of an ATD poster on his flickr account and he said it was in case the person called him fat again. He wouldn't say what he was going to do if the person called him fat again, but the threat was there. Of course it is all brushed off as normal Pasoti business, which anyone with half a brain knows is complete bullshit.

I am concerned about Newell's relationship with Chris Webb the club president, as I find it difficult to believe that Chris is unaware of all of the things Newell gets up to. I did ask Chris to look into the PI allegations and he said he was shocked by it all and would speak to Newell and get back to me. A week later he still hasn't.

Chris Webb is also very friendly with Lee Jameson, who Newell claims hire the Private Investigator, and again I find it difficult to believe that these close friends of the club president's are involved in these things without Chris Webbs knowledge. Remember both Newell and Jameson were involved in the Deepthroat postings designed to discredit the Argyle Fans Trust recently. The other posters Windsor Boy, Derrick Sanderson, Dogger and Deadly Nightshade were also involved and anonymous, and mysteriously all had their Pasoti accounts deleted when questions started being asked.

If it is normal for these things to be going on within a football club and its online forums, then I am sorry and I shouldn't be worried that me and my family are being threatened, but I don't believe it is normal and that is why I make it public knowledge.

If Ian Newell or Lee Jameson want to deny any of this they are quite welcome to respond to this, Lee has an account on here and I'm sure Ian knows how to set up an account, and if they give their permission I will post detaisl of PM's and e-mails that I have received from them.

I shouldn't have to be hounded in this way, and now some people who think I'm a nasty person because of some of the things I do, it is in retaliation for what is going on.

GreenJock,

If you really are serious? Go to the police.

I can give you the details of the officers I spoke to.

Believe me... They are "interested".

I would Rickler but even if I do why should I not be able to be critical of Argyle? Question James Brent's investment and motives for buying the club?

I won't be bullied by this person. If anyone turns up to teach me a lesson then it will look extremely strange that it has been threatened already and by bringing it out in the open then it is more unlikely that it will actually happen.

I'm pretty sure that it's not illegal to pay a PI to investigate someone, but it's immoral, and it would only be illegal for the information to be used in a certain way.

I would like Lee Jameson to confirm or deny that it was him who hired the PI, and if it was I would like to know what information was given and what he wants to to with that information.

If he denies it then again it will be Ian Newell lying to place someone else in a rather uncomfortable position. He can claim to be misquoted, but if I show screenshots of SMS he has sent making the allegations then that will look pretty silly.

I would also like the Club President's comments on what I have said, but he is busy sorting out the Forze Verde website, and has been too busy all week to get back to me.

Somebody has threatened you and your family.

You should go to the police because it is the 'right thing to do'.
As you say... Hiring a P.I might not be illegal, but someone threatening you is!!

Someone has to put an end to the actions of these nutters.

Actions speak louder than words and all that...

Jock this whole saga is a total disgrace. I can not believe some people would stoop so low. I know people don`t always agree with each other on forums but to hire a PI and make threats makes my blood boil.

At the Q and A Peter jones said he did not want to get involved with petty squabbles between to rival fan sites. Well maybe peter its time you and harry did. This has to stop.

The problem is they will not get because if harry falls out with IJN he then looses his main internet mouthpiece/income and IJN has the power to turn many of his loyal sheep sorry fans against harry. Just look at the anti trust threads all the lambs soon followed there leader.

As a copper said on the radio the other day what you write on the internet can be used as evidence in court. Like rick says you need to go to the police and report this, especially when people have been threatening your family.

Well Lee is on this site now and has the opportunity to give his side of the story.

Lee you have been accused by Ian Newell of hiring a PI, well not any PI but Tony Cholwell to investigate me, did you? And if you did were you also Greenman who made the threats? Because if you weren't then you told someone you had hired a PI and they made the threats to me and my family.

If you want to protect someone then you're an idiot.

If I do go to the police you will obviously be the point of reference as you are the person named by Ian Newell.

The emails can be traced just like we can on here aswell if you know how.

The IP address of the sender of the email can be found with just a few clicks.

I want to know what details were wanted so badly that a PI was hired. According to Greenman it was my address to send the thugs round. Any comment on that Lee? Or why you were showing Ian Newell details about my mother on the GT's coach to Morecambe?

No? You still don't want to talk about it?

Wankers

Greenjock wrote:

I want to know what details were wanted so badly that a PI was hired. According to Greenman it was my address to send the thugs round. Any comment on that Lee? Or why you were showing Ian Newell details about my mother on the GT's coach to Morecambe?

No? You still don't want to talk about it?

Wankers

Maybe a visit to a fan fest is in order Jock, see how big these men really are when they come face to face with you and the family they threatened.

Or maybe it's time to give up on Argyle if that's normal behaviour for Argyle fans who don't want any opposition to their plans.

What gets me is Lee Jameson was messaging me recently thanking me for being supportive and praising him for his avatar which said about him being gay.

He also told me he was fed up with two Argyle fans lording it over all the others and calling him a drama queen. Wonder who he meant?

Or maybe it's just the new Labour way.

And off go Lee and Chris to make plans I guess. See if the damage can be limited. And there was Newell laughing on Friday he had to do all the work because Chris was busy chatting to Lee. I bet he was.

Jock. Keep your cool. Don't let them win. They will love it if you explode.

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Jock. Keep your cool. Don't let them win. They will love it if you explode.

Second that, be the man out of all of this Jock. Newell and his little clan are just begging for a reaction from you and if you give them one they've won.

I'm sure you've got a lot of PM's and emails which you could use to expose Newell and the little gang for what they really are but don't do anything hasty.

Jock, explode.

It's funny.

I'm not going to Frank, but I can't believe how cowardly some people are who want positions in the public eye. A simple confirmation or denial from Lee is the least I deserve.

I wonder if this is the kind of fan involvement James Brent envisaged?

The whole thing is frankly bonkers. Greenjock is justified in being annoyed but isn't this just too bizarre to even worry about?!

Having said that, you do read stories and things do crop up on the news where utterly weird and abnormal people do very strange things.

Why would anyone go to so much trouble to get someone's personal information?

There must be far more to this than just an internet fight. People only do this kind of thing for financial gain.

hairy j wrote:

There must be far more to this than just an internet fight. People only do this kind of thing for financial gain.

Maybe that's how he pays for all the expensive holidays that were in the flickr account. He picks a victim to blackmail and then once he's got enough money to go to the other side of the world he moves on to the next victim

Don't panic Newelly baby that was a JOKE I know how touchy you are about things becoming internet fact.

Hairy I am pretty broke, don't own a house, haven't got a job since I was made redundant in January so I stay at home and look after my son rather than chuck him in a nursery 5 days a week.

I'm happy and don't want for anything but have no great pile of cash as such.

This is all about me being critical of certain people. Rickler gets the same treatment as well. It's bizarre and creepy.

If Lee is not responsible why doesn't he deny it like tony has?

Internet fact - Newell is nice if you meet him in real life.

I don't mean blackmail, I mean there must be something "in it" for those involved. Removing critics seems more political to me.

I've had a sense of this myself where someone made a point of telling me where I worked - even though I freely gave that information forward. It didn't scare me but then again, it wasn't really that personal to me.

I have a secret weapon. If any of those pasoti hoodlums tried anything, I'd unleash sensiblegreeny upon them, get him to post there and bore them all to suicide

I would love it if the fuzz turned up on a matchday and arrested all the Deepthroat gang. That would make my year, you can dream.

tonycholwell wrote:

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In easy to understand language I have had no involvment or been commissioned to report on you. My view is loud and clear, no one should be subject to threats, real or implied emanting from a spat on an internet forum and certainly not a child and his parent/s. I have consistently said and believe this

I would urge you to do what I have told others, if you feel you are being scrutinised check your crediit file, that will indicate if someone is looking into you. Pretty good advice if you havent looked recently to see how you are doing.

I would also say to people, be careful what you post on social media sites.

I have seen both LJ and IJN today and its best put this way: LJ is angry and wont talk about it and Ian feels he is regularly mis quoted and mis reported, particularly online.

Personally, I have been looking forward to today so we can all talk about football again, yet its not to be. In the circumstances I am going to have an ATD holiday for a month or so. Most people know how to contact me if they need or want to, but I suspect I will be forever blighted because I was truthful enough to say what I did, something that many posters have been grateful for. So, Im taking my own advice and taking a sabbatical.

A pity that you are taking a break from here, Tony. I don't see why you would do such a thing. Questions were raised about your alleged involvement. Jock has accepted your categoric denial. He also has said that he did not think you were involved. There have been other supportive messages.

As for Mr Jameson - he is angry and won't talk about it. So no denial.

As for Mr Newell - he feels he is regularly mis-quoted and mis-reported. So no denial. (Though the allegation, apparently, is that he was involved only after the event simply through knowledge of the perpetrator as well as the wider sharing of that knowledge).

I agree with the comments that this should be in police hands.

Tony don't be angry with ATD. Its IJN you should be angry with for putting you in the frame!
As far as I am concerned you have done nothing wrong and GJ has stated that he does not believe you were involved. I may not agree with your support of PASB but then I don't agree with some things that other posters write. I would dare to say that some don't agree with me! But I can't truely believe that!

Can someone explain to me why this would be illegal and why the police would be interested? Is it because Greenjock's received actual bona-fide threats?

I'm pretty certain it's a criminal offence to put somebody in fear of physical violence, Hairy - it's in the stalking and harassment legislation.

Jock - as others have said, don't lose it. These people (I use the word loosely) aren't worth it. But I'm with those who suggest you should be talking to the police.